I remember the difficult times I had when I lost my faith and gained my freedom when I was around 11 yrs.
I was unsure and had feelings of guilt for a long time, at least for a year or two as I recall.
And this was not a strict religous upbringing at all, - so for someone that has had a strong belief into adulthood who is also surrounded by religeous people, it must be very hard to understand why people do not believe.
To spend a good deal of your life believing makes it very hard to come to the opinion that you have been living a lie and have wasted all those years, - I really can understand that.
It must seem to religeous folk that Atheists are missing something in life.
Being an atheist, I actually feel it is the other way around.
What really bothers me is that some religeous folk are virtually wasting their real lives in preperation for a new life after death,
- and this is one of the things that I despise all religeons for.
I was unsure and had feelings of guilt for a long time, at least for a year or two as I recall.
And this was not a strict religous upbringing at all, - so for someone that has had a strong belief into adulthood who is also surrounded by religeous people, it must be very hard to understand why people do not believe.
To spend a good deal of your life believing makes it very hard to come to the opinion that you have been living a lie and have wasted all those years, - I really can understand that.
It must seem to religeous folk that Atheists are missing something in life.
Being an atheist, I actually feel it is the other way around.
What really bothers me is that some religeous folk are virtually wasting their real lives in preperation for a new life after death,
- and this is one of the things that I despise all religeons for.
So you put all your faith in this one book?, written by some simple people who would think that a wheel is cutting edge technology?
Words that have been misstranslated and altered over the last two thousand years and bear little truth to what the original authors wrote.
No thanks I'll stick with thousands of modern books that corroborate each others principles and theory's, all of which are open to scrutiny and correction and have passed the test of actually proving what is written in them with modern knowledge and techniques
Nope, you are going to have to come up with something called proof.
Have you any idea how insulting this is to Atheists like myself?
In todays world you are far more likely as a religeous person to add to this insult by being violent - even to kill me, after all as a Muslim you are told by your God to do exactly this.
Women are treated worse than I treat my pet dog, homsexuals viewed as evil.
Teaching religeon to a child is nothing short of child abuse, their minds are twisted by their own parents schools and preachers long before they have the chance to think for themselfs.
This is not learning - it is flat out brainwashing pure and simple, - thats why it is imperitive that religeous teaching is taught from the crib, because religeon knows that if the child is given a strong belief at an early point in life, then brainwashing goes deeper and is likely to remain there for the life of the person - regardless of any evidence to the contrary that may be put forward.
I have brought my children up as athiest, who in turn have brought my grandchildren up in the same manner.
Like myself they have a love and respect for life - they have no enemies and are loved by everyone that they come into contact with.
Being an Athiest is simple, the rules are - treat everyone as you would like them to treat yourself I'm sure your religeon may say something similar.
The trouble is that religeon makes that conditional.
You see I have as much love and respect for everyone whether they are religeous or Athiest, - given your comments above, it is quite clear that you don't feel the same way.
So who is giving their children better morals?
Teaching people to look after their environment and using the worlds resourses in a responsible way is one "religeon" I would gladly subscribe to.
Most of the "god" religeons are quite happy for us to burn the planet up, as this will bring forth the day of reckoning.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7810993921354002750
Again I recommend that all watch this vid, - originally posted by Not Sure in this thread.
Its a long video - almost two hours actually, bu I found it most controvertial and interesting.
I am not at all religeous, for me religeon just does not make sense, unless if you see it as a controlling mechanism, in which case for those that believe it seems to work a treat - even to descibing the followers as a flock, - sheep don't think for themselfs they just follow the crowd without thinking - nuff said.
However I was always prepared to believe there was guy called Jesus, my thinking was that there had to be at least someone about who all the stories were written.
But I spend more and more time looking into religeon than I used to, just as a subject to be investigated, and now I'm really not sure if the guy existed at all - certainly nothing seems to be written about him whilst he was alive - no official record at all from what I can see - so did the guy actually exist at all?
Religeon has always said that black is white, and has persecuted and even put to death those that have said anything different.
Always the message, "we are right everyone else is wrong" don't even look or listen to anything that says differently, we are the one true path.
But time after time religeon has had to move its opinion and techings as science has rolled back the mystery of our planet and the sun and the Universe, now it is clinging on to its last vestige of credibility (to some at least) by saying that science still cannot say what was there before the big bang, and what was there must have been created by God.
Of course in time science will find out what was there pre-big bang and as usual religeon will yet again move the goalposts.
So there's nothing special about religeon, for me there is and never has been a god, religeon lost its credibility to me as soon as I started to question it when I was 11 years old.
Really its a pretty weak belief system once the doubt leads to questions.
Religeon requires unquestioning faith.
Science requires constant doubt and questioning to reinforce what is already known.
Science provides convincing answers to almost everything, sure there is much we don't know, but it will be science that provides the answers, not a child/woman abusing pervert in a dress, who requires you to give money to support his narrow minded point of view.
Thank you for posting this link - scary stuff and yes certainly gives one plenty to think about.
Agreed, for the most part damage is poorly represented in all games - though some better than others.
I'm not too bothered about the visual damage, as I drive cockpit only and would never really see it, bu tas you say to hit the wall at rediculous speed and even more rediculously - drive away from the scene is just plain stupid.
No matter what the car looks like, the effects of damage should be apparent from very low speeds, the car should be totalled above say 40 MPH and less than that for open wheelers.
LOL (really)
Thanks for that, really made my day.
Along with the OXO family
Bill and Ben (the flowerpot men - run the gardeners coming down the garden path)
Muffin the Mule (still illegal as far as I'm aware)
The Woodentops.
Black and white TV
That sound you used to hear from tyres on hot tarmack coming from the back of an open door bus.
Schoolgirls with navy blue knickers (I never grew out of that actually
)Frying ants and earwigs with a magnifying glass on a hot summer day
Fishing for sticklebacks with nothing more than a worm and a piece of string, (all gone now as the streams are so badly polluted)
Coachloads of working class families away to the coast on the club trip - singing Ten Green Bottles and One man went to Mow, - all the way to Cleethorpes and back.
Rusty - my pet dog.
Tasty School dinners
Playing conkers (without safety glasses) after spending hours knocking them out of a tree with a big stick that I could hardly throw.
Watching herds of cows goin through our village, off to the fields or market.
Waking up on a cold Christmas day to open a very few but very treasured presents.
Beating my three younger brother up, cos I could and cos I was bigger and better - we laugh about it now, and how they took their revenge by knocking my teeth out in a pillow fight.
Who remembers where the yellow went? and why?
Long before Holby there was Emergency Ward Ten
I could go on and on but I'm feeling quite old now.
But I'll tell you what - hard as those times were, we really were much happier in those days.
My dad went to work whilst mum stayed and saw that we were brought up happy and well balanced.
Nowadays, both parents have to work to pay the bills, and pay someone else to bring their kids up for them - this is called progress?
I grew up in the 50-60s and relate to all of it - including worm pie yumyum 
.
We went to school on our own from six years old, and we walked the mile or two there and back until my parents could afford a pushbike for me.
We played Hopscotch with the girls as well as whip and top, we made slides in the snow, and raided apple orchards till we were sick.
I wore short pants till I left school (and still do whenever possible) and so did a lot of my mates.
I had one pair of shoes and wore them all the time, we had pumps not trainers then.
As above I stayed out all day long and came home after dark, and there was frost on the inside of my bedroom window in winter - which in them days winter was far longer and colder than it is now, and yes our toilet was at the bottom of the yard too... brrrr.
We did not even have a house phone till after I left school, but yet we still plenty of contact with friends and familly, and a telegram was the fastest way to get a message across the world - if you could afford it.
We played cricket and football on our street as there was few cars then (which probly expalins why we have few good sportsmen....er sportspersons now.
But seriously and I mean this, in spite of the hardship we were all much happier now.
.We went to school on our own from six years old, and we walked the mile or two there and back until my parents could afford a pushbike for me.
We played Hopscotch with the girls as well as whip and top, we made slides in the snow, and raided apple orchards till we were sick.
I wore short pants till I left school (and still do whenever possible) and so did a lot of my mates.
I had one pair of shoes and wore them all the time, we had pumps not trainers then.
As above I stayed out all day long and came home after dark, and there was frost on the inside of my bedroom window in winter - which in them days winter was far longer and colder than it is now, and yes our toilet was at the bottom of the yard too... brrrr.
We did not even have a house phone till after I left school, but yet we still plenty of contact with friends and familly, and a telegram was the fastest way to get a message across the world - if you could afford it.
We played cricket and football on our street as there was few cars then (which probly expalins why we have few good sportsmen....er sportspersons now.
But seriously and I mean this, in spite of the hardship we were all much happier now.
Seems we are being unfair to somasleep here, all he has to argue with, is his faith in his particular God which could be one God of many.
True he also has one book that has remained constant for around two thousand years now..... well apart from misstranslation and corruption by those with their own agendas.
But on the other side of the argument you only have accumulated logic and science compiled in hundreds of thousands of books - all mostly agreeing with each other on vital points.
All of these scientific journals have contributed something to the progress of a constantly changing modern society which is far removed from a bunch of shepherds in a far away land a long time ago.
To be accepted into modern thinking, a scientific theory has to be submitted and questioned and proven by people who have a full grasp of the physics and technical detail involved.
somasleep - your fish/loafs and burning bush means absolutely nothing here - or to any individual with a searching questioning mind, because for the most part we regard it as unprovable lies anyway.
You believe it if you want to, that is your choice - well at least you think it is, if you want to convince us of your arguments then you need something that is much more substantial in the way of observable proof.
Simple faith and faith on its own, will not do.
True he also has one book that has remained constant for around two thousand years now..... well apart from misstranslation and corruption by those with their own agendas.
But on the other side of the argument you only have accumulated logic and science compiled in hundreds of thousands of books - all mostly agreeing with each other on vital points.
All of these scientific journals have contributed something to the progress of a constantly changing modern society which is far removed from a bunch of shepherds in a far away land a long time ago.
To be accepted into modern thinking, a scientific theory has to be submitted and questioned and proven by people who have a full grasp of the physics and technical detail involved.
somasleep - your fish/loafs and burning bush means absolutely nothing here - or to any individual with a searching questioning mind, because for the most part we regard it as unprovable lies anyway.
You believe it if you want to, that is your choice - well at least you think it is, if you want to convince us of your arguments then you need something that is much more substantial in the way of observable proof.
Simple faith and faith on its own, will not do.
Sry bro - my mistake
Guess its a thousand hail Satans for me then
Well to be honest, maybe I am speaking unfairly here - but I am speaking from experience, in as much as I have always been disappointed with racing games on Consoles.
thats exactly why I switched to PC.
thats exactly why I switched to PC.
"Originally Posted by From GT5 website..
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe and Polyphony Digital are pleased to announce Gran Turismo 5 Prologue™. With stunningly realistic HD graphics, online races and the most accurate physics yet seen in a racing simulator, there’s never been anything quite like it."
Bear in mind that this game will mostly be played by very young people - mostly children.
They look at the promotional jargon and believe it because they want to think they can really drive and handle a car at speed.
What do you think that that Phonypoly is gonna say? - yup the graphics are good but we dumbed it down to so that you can get around a lap or two without crashing? - how many copies would they sell if they were honest?.
Children like to feel that they are doing it for real - but give them accurate physics and they will soon complain about how slow the game feels and how hard it is to stay on the track.
They have spouted this sort of promotional bullshit since the first GT came out on Playstation - every single time, but you know there's always plenty that will believe it.
Consoles is for kids and casual gamers - thats their market, you will only find a sim on PC - at least for the time being.
Sony Computer Entertainment Europe and Polyphony Digital are pleased to announce Gran Turismo 5 Prologue™. With stunningly realistic HD graphics, online races and the most accurate physics yet seen in a racing simulator, there’s never been anything quite like it."
Bear in mind that this game will mostly be played by very young people - mostly children.
They look at the promotional jargon and believe it because they want to think they can really drive and handle a car at speed.
What do you think that that Phonypoly is gonna say? - yup the graphics are good but we dumbed it down to so that you can get around a lap or two without crashing? - how many copies would they sell if they were honest?.
Children like to feel that they are doing it for real - but give them accurate physics and they will soon complain about how slow the game feels and how hard it is to stay on the track.
They have spouted this sort of promotional bullshit since the first GT came out on Playstation - every single time, but you know there's always plenty that will believe it.
Consoles is for kids and casual gamers - thats their market, you will only find a sim on PC - at least for the time being.
Pehaps its just that us Atheists believe in something a little more tangible - like ourselfs.
We just seem to know what is right and what is wrong, this comes from within ourselfes, and not from a Sunday morning singsong.
We just don't to need a crutch to help us get along. we have the brains and the balls to do it all by ourselfs - so who's a coward?
With all of the thousands of Gods and religeons that there has ever been through time, why is there any difference in any existing contemporary religeon? - they will all die out and be replaced by the next God worshipping fad.
Religeons are like pop groups - except on a longer timescale, they all have their high points before they dissapear into history and oblivion to be taken over by a newer more popular pop group or religeon, it seems we are like that as a species, we just need someone or something to worship or adore.
I was brought up as a christian with strong beliefs, - I suppose I still have mostly christian values, then after I started to question my beliefs and from the age of around 11 yrs, I left the shackles behind and now see things as they really are, maybe I still don't like a lot of stuff I see, but at least I know its the truth and can then make my own opinion based on that.
Not the opinion of a guy in a dress who believes in fairies and thinks he can tell me what to think and say and how to behave.
I have love and respect for anyone that deserves it - I have no respect for any religeon as I regard all religeon as brainwashing - how else can it be described?
I hate Tony Blair for his faith school policy and can see nothing but trouble in the future as these children grow up without respect for others and their point of view - I know this from my own experience.
Children should not be seperated from each other and told that "their way is the right way" and everyone else is wrong.
They should be encouraged to play and learn with and from each other as it was when I was a child.
OK we had Catholic schools when I was a kid, but even then as a kid I remember the "us and them" attitude and as a kid I fell into line with those that felt this way - as kids do.
I wish there was a God - but I know there isn't, and the God I would prefer would be a far better entity than we have on offer from almost any of contemporary offerings.
They all want to get their hands on the kids as soon as possible to further infect the next generation with something that I consider a mind virus, which goes on and on to infect any other mind it comes into contact with.
We are all born as Athiest, like it or not!!!,
you would not know anything about any god were it not for the minds that are already infected, - spreading the form of belief that happens to be in the religeous group that your parents belong to.
If you were born in a different part of the world - you would have a different belief, so what makes you think that yours is the right one?
Religeons are like pop groups - except on a longer timescale, they all have their high points before they dissapear into history and oblivion to be taken over by a newer more popular pop group or religeon, it seems we are like that as a species, we just need someone or something to worship or adore.
I was brought up as a christian with strong beliefs, - I suppose I still have mostly christian values, then after I started to question my beliefs and from the age of around 11 yrs, I left the shackles behind and now see things as they really are, maybe I still don't like a lot of stuff I see, but at least I know its the truth and can then make my own opinion based on that.
Not the opinion of a guy in a dress who believes in fairies and thinks he can tell me what to think and say and how to behave.
I have love and respect for anyone that deserves it - I have no respect for any religeon as I regard all religeon as brainwashing - how else can it be described?
I hate Tony Blair for his faith school policy and can see nothing but trouble in the future as these children grow up without respect for others and their point of view - I know this from my own experience.
Children should not be seperated from each other and told that "their way is the right way" and everyone else is wrong.
They should be encouraged to play and learn with and from each other as it was when I was a child.
OK we had Catholic schools when I was a kid, but even then as a kid I remember the "us and them" attitude and as a kid I fell into line with those that felt this way - as kids do.
I wish there was a God - but I know there isn't, and the God I would prefer would be a far better entity than we have on offer from almost any of contemporary offerings.
They all want to get their hands on the kids as soon as possible to further infect the next generation with something that I consider a mind virus, which goes on and on to infect any other mind it comes into contact with.
We are all born as Athiest, like it or not!!!,
you would not know anything about any god were it not for the minds that are already infected, - spreading the form of belief that happens to be in the religeous group that your parents belong to.
If you were born in a different part of the world - you would have a different belief, so what makes you think that yours is the right one?
Drying Poodles in the microwave anyone? - the stupid old woman sued the manufacturers and won.
Only in America
Only in America
I've been threatening to get TrackIR for some time now - well I finally ordered it and it should arive any day now - I'll post some comments soon, I'm looking forward to this 
Try the Sauber BMW in rFactor and the same car in LFS - tell me which is best.
403 for NFS, haha Guess what I voted for, well looking at the NFS positive feedback I just could not resist it - although I've played just about every game but NFS. 
I could give a good opinion about almost every game.
But being as it would be a complete waste of time - I won't
Entertaining thread though
I could give a good opinion about almost every game.
But being as it would be a complete waste of time - I won't
Entertaining thread though
55 this year and -
I can still put my own shoes and socks on whilst stood up and not using a wall for support.
I ride my mountain bike regularly without the use of stabilisers.
I still have my own teeth (well most of em).
I play IL 2 also.
I can still put my own shoes and socks on whilst stood up and not using a wall for support.
I ride my mountain bike regularly without the use of stabilisers.
I still have my own teeth (well most of em).
I play IL 2 also.
Hmmm no Mario Cart option either, some poll ....
So what you are saying is that you want more tracks yeah?,
but if peeps still stick with the tracks that they can win on - why would more tracks etc, improve this situation?
My feelings too, I'm not sure what the problem is - if indeed there is a problem, it may just be a seasonal dip for some reason.
But I don't feel its the lack of content, I think there are far too many servers to support the number of drivers, therefore thinning out the field on any one server.
If everyone want's to go to their own personal night club then that would make for a very boring evening.
I'm not sure what the answer is but increasing the content will make the problem worse as we will have more choice, - you only need to look at any other game to see that - specially rFactor.
It seems that from what I say, - a smaller number of servers will increase the field on the remaining servers - therefore increasing the competition.
In real terms we have about the same choice as drivers in a real racing season as far as tracks go, and a much bigger choice in cars.
But we can also spend more time at the track than real racers do so perhaps familiarity is breeding boredom, hmmm dunno what the answer is really.
Also possibly wet tyres and real paddle shifters, naturally the engine will have a wet sump.
An inflatable life boat instead of the spare wheel, and the air conditioning is replaced with a hair dryer.
And the overnight bag contains a wet suit for the unexpected posh function.
This car also has a wellington instead of a boot, - and with oversize wheels and tyres it shows outstanding "drifting" qualities.
An inflatable life boat instead of the spare wheel, and the air conditioning is replaced with a hair dryer.
And the overnight bag contains a wet suit for the unexpected posh function.
This car also has a wellington instead of a boot, - and with oversize wheels and tyres it shows outstanding "drifting" qualities.
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