Having a think...It wasnt just a racing incident because the move was never on. Not even a hint.

It's a racing incident, but within the wider context there certainly seems to be a certain level of intent on Rosberg's side.

Doing the usual "make a point" pussyness you hear now and again didn't help his cause. Making a 'point' would be massive lunge up the inside like a nut job. Trying to hang round the outside is the worse of the worse bandit move you can ever try there.

They were harsh because it was incredibly stupid and Rosberg understood the risk. He wrecked a 1-2 chance and has given Ricciardo a sniff at the championship.

... but it's working for Rosberg at the moment. All the games and cheats he's playing are working in his favour. The championship is all but his bar something weird at the last double points race.

There's nothing Mercedes can do about it no matter how outraged they are.

Some of you guys are idiots. lol The move was never on in a million years. 9 times out of 10 drivers go to the escape road when they know the move isn't on there. or they don't attempt it in the first place. Rosberg just can't race for shit. got lucky, probably win title because of it. fair enough, that's f1

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According to Sky, Alonso and Kimi will stay for 2015

this maybe

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lol caterturd, really? Caterturd?
You seem to have been possessed by the spirit of a bully in an American eighties kids adventure-comedy film.

Verstappen to Toro Rosso.

https://www.lfsforum.net/showt ... php?p=1782388#post1782388

Well we knew he was very very very fast

Oldskool LFSers will remember Ayrton Senna 87 aka Will Dendy. He won the the Pirelli Challenge and so will be racing a Brands Hatch in Mini Challege as the prize. Pirelli have done a video or two - https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=271085946436003

Motorsport is a game of marketing and money, it's not a 'sporting' entity in a pure sense. In the past I would've have an issue, but now I don't really see a problem with Susie testing the car.

Wreckless? It was f*cking mint. It's Monaco, any kinda overtake could be considered 'wreckless' because it always requires the leading driver not to turn in. There was no way the stewards were going to do him for that.

You have to be ruthless and that's exactly what Bianchi is, and it was worth millions for his team, and it was a proper decent drive no matter which way you look at it.

Bianchi got a top 10 in Marussia and everyone noticed

ignoring double yellows or not, you've got a car inthe middle of a track with F1 cars flyign about. It's just purely irresponsibility not to have a SC. This is how marshals get killed.

It should have been a safety car. Why they didn't deploy it no one will know.

Are those fans 'new' to motorsport? I doubt it. V8 is very attractive to the current motorsport fan, not so much the 16-25yr market.

If you misinterpret my post I can see why you'd feel the need to question it. My point is about the fallacy about racing drivers, in general, being fitness superstars and I stated kart drivers, despite being on of the more physically demand motorsports, aren't exactly Olympic level athletes. I happen to believe karting is TOO physical.


But if GT Academy are producing the good with regards to drivers (Jann, Lucas etc...) then who am I to argue?

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You should look into the fitness problems Senna had in his first season of F1.

I'll ask the team boss And an F1 car from the 80s, no doubt, that requires strength and fitness i am talking mroe modern vehicles. Also, it proves my point - you can't judge a driver on fitness.

Here's a good example. Gives you a small insight into the comparison I am making here. btw Tiff was no where near the pace... and he was still shattered physically.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EriFJQIAujY

he was also GT racing at around the same time - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9an7-FTr_w

Doesn't take a genius to work out which one looks more physically demanding.

But again my point is questioning the validity of extreme fitness tests for GT Academy at such an early stage.

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[citation needed]

http://www.formula1.com/news/headlines/2009/8/9725.html

"Karting has a very good training effect,” Schumacher told his official website. “That is why today I just jumped into a testing day of the Tony Kart Team in Lonato (Italy). There is nothing better for my preparations at the moment - in terms of steering wheel forces for example karting is even more difficult than Formula One.”

I can find countless other examples but I can't be bothered. I've seen GT drivers struggle with driving karts physically after 10 minutes, I've never ever seen a karter struggle getting to grips with any race car from a fitness standpoint - sprint race or endurance. It's not who is fittest because it's mainly conditioning we're talking about here.

I am not saying you shouldn't BE fit to do GT racing, just that fitness required FOR GT racing isn't that high. Certainly not so high your average Joe with a bit of training couldn't get to.

Just the severity of the fitness tests for such an early stage of a competition, I am not sure if it's that productive or worth while.

Heart rate means jack squat in relation to fitness. Kart drivers are upwards of 180 bpm. This guy is at 163 and he's just sitting on the grid. Sitting on the grid doesn't require fitness - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qixwcd0nJE0 -so this heart rate stuff is baloney. In fact most athletic training has abandoned BRP for more accurate measures of fitness.

Karts are harder physically than a GT car to drive, anyone who says otherwise is stupid. I've seen 16 stone 60 year old blokes happily lap a GT car pretty fast. If they did the same in a kart they'd be going home in a ambulance or at least a trip to the doctor with broken ribs. But do you need to be an Olympian to drive a top-level kart? No. So you don't need to be an Olympian to drive a GT car well for an hour. It's just basic conditioning that's needed, at least at the start of a talent finding program.

motorsport isn't anywhere near close to proper athletics. it's all PR ego boosting bollocks. I know boxers, UFC fighters etc... they are on a different level when it comes to fitness.

Now, if you actually read what I wrote you'd see that I stated that fitness can always be 'improved' and you don't need to be an Olympian to drive a GT car. It's something I'd say 90% of the population could get fit for without it being too much of a problem. It's not he defining factor in performance.

now I see the validity in fitness tests. if you're going to do the GT Academy I think it's quite clear you're just going to have to get fit before the finals. You have to be THAT committed. personally, I don't think it's the smartest thing to expect though. I've seen some very unfit drivers who had talent and speed start to get the results when they improve their fitness. but if you have got speed or talent, no amount of fitness will help.

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Why do they go so hard on fitness? Fitness can always be improved. It's not like driving a GT car requires Olympian athletic levels.

Best of luck dude!!!

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I'd argue that V8 Supercars is a series which still provides 'proper racing' and has been growing in popularity over the last few years. There are a wide variety of race formats (100km sprint races with 1 mandatory pit stop, 200km races with 2 mandatory pit stops, 250km, 500km and 1000km). All of the cars share quite a large number of common components (the engine and bodywork are different between the 5 manufacturers but things like brakes, transmission, suspension etc are either control items or heavily restricted), which is a decent attempt at a cost cap and means the field is generally very tight (it's not uncommon to have 20+ cars within less than a second in qualifying). There aren't too many gimmicks involved; for the most part it's proper racing with a pretty good level of driving talent and good, hard racing that isn't dirty. Track attendance for many of the events is 100k+ for a 3 day event and 200k+ for the larger endurance events. Many of the events feature large-scale concerts and other attractions at the venue, which attract people who wouldn't ordinarily have gone for just a motor racing event. The series is also shown within Australia (and possibly some surrounding countries) on free-to-air TV live. The quality of the TV production is excellent.

TV Viewing figures are down in V8 Supercars. They were suggestions last year anyway. Formula E doesn't have V8s singing either. They are at a natural disadvantage.

To launch a new race series with cars that look and sound terrible is hard enough. For me the gimmicks make sense, I don't LIKE them, but they make sense.

Proper racing doesn't attract new fans. It's why F1 had to introduce DRS, it's why WRC is screwing around with formats etc... it's why everyone is running around liek headless chickens quite frankly.

Formula E know they aren't going to attract a large chunk of oldskool fans because it's electric. They also know 'pure' racing isn't particularly engaging for fans. The gimmicks are a necessary evil. They have a bit more licence to try things because they are new and have a different target market,

Brazil were always riding their luck in this tournament. Didn't quite think they'd get destroyed this much though. Too much pressure on average players.