Quote from GloryJ :

loool how old do you have to be to get a credit card in america?

It seems this thread is another unforeseen consequence of the sub-prime lending folly that has been going on in the US over the past few years

Only 7 guaranteed grid slots left for this event now - Only 10 days away

Any reserves who sign up now will almost certainly get a drive. I would expect at least 5 no shows for a grid this size.

When will the LFS World Stats be reset? I had a fairly thorough search of the forums for 'stats reset' etc but couldn't find anything so sorry if someone already asked this.

The first season of the GTTC will get underway on Sunday 6th January 08. Race start will be at 17:00GMT (UK Local Time/London).

Eligible Cars: TBO and GTR
Season Length: 6 Races in total held every 2 weeks
Qualifying: 20 mins (TBOs sit out first 5 minutes
Race Lengths: approx 30 mins
Max Grid Size: 32 cars
Grievance Procedure: Video of incidents are posted on website and gentlefoot.com members vote to decide blame and penalties.

I am now accepting entries for race 1 of this event. You can enter in the following ways:

1) By replying to this thread.
2) By submiting a form on this page: http://www.gentlefoot.com/entry.html
3) By sending me a forum PM from here:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

For more information see the forum and main site.

Rules:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26

Scoring:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=330

Calendar:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/calendar.html


Current Entrants:
1. R4RGentlefoot - XRT
2. MAR||Marco - XRR
3. [TDRT]FedtStensDyr - FXR
4. ((Onion)) - FXR
5. [RF]-art555 - FXO
6. CoRe.BigTime - XRR
7. DMR Martini - FXR
8. mischief007 - XRT
9. JayBee - FXR
10. burnsy1882 - FXR
11. [TDRT] R.Kolz - FXR
12. count.bazley - FXR
13. [SR]de Souza - XRT
14. ted209 - FXR
15. nigelpm - FXR
16. BenjiMC - FZR
17. blackbird - XRT
18. Adam5k1 - FZR
19. kart38 - RB4
20. [TDRT] G.Noll - FXR
21. [TDRT] M.Dunne
22. Ian Maslen - XRT
23. [TDRT] T.Jessen - FXR
24. ajp71 - XRR
25. Banister - FZR
26. [DR] Niall - FXO
27. [HR]Celtic100 - FXR
28. [HR]Stablex43 - FXR
29. [TDRT] Flaffy - FXR
30. Leprekaun - FZR
31. [HR]Toddshooter - FZR
32. K.Sheppard - FXR
33. C.Sheppard - FXR
34. [HR]Niels - FZR
35. H.Vuorinen - FXR
36. anttt69 - TBA

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Fri, 4 Jan 2008 10:07.

Quote from count.bazley :

Where are all the FO8 racers? Maybe we should give Huppis and Forbin a buzz, I'm sure they would be eager to win this time round.

I've already personally invited all previous entrants. Most people replied. Think Huppis is on National Service and pretty sure Forbin had a reason for not being able to race too.

Quote from bozo :

I've completed the entry form, but didn't receive any confirmation that the form was sent successfully.

Just to confirm, I would like to enter GFC Season 2. I'll be driving the FOX.

Many thanks.

Hi mate - nope - didn't get the form. Best PM me in the forum - the account is now activated.

Adding you now. I'll enter you for race 1 aswell.

GF

OK all - only 7 guaranteed grid slots left for this event! Sign up now to avoid disappointment. I will accept up to 40 entrants as there are always at least a handful of no shows for an event this size.

GF

The second season of the GFC will get underway on Sunday 6th January 08. Race start will be at 20:00GMT (UK Local Time).

Eligible Cars: Formula V8 and Formula XR
Season Length: 6 Races in total held every 2 weeks
Qualifying: 20 mins (FOXs sit out first 5 minutes
Race Lengths: approx 75 mins
Prizes: Trophies for FOX and FO8 class winners
Average Grid Size: 22.5 cars (based on season 1 average attendance)
Max Grid Size: 32 cars
Grievance Procedure: Video of incidents are posted on website and gentlefoot.com members vote to decide blame and penalties.

I am now accepting entries for race 1 of this event. You can enter in the following ways:

1) By replying to this thread.
2) By submiting a form on this page: http://www.gentlefoot.com/entry.html
3) By sending me a forum PM from here:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/

For more information see the forum and main site.

Rules:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=26

Scoring:
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewtopic.php?t=330

Calendar:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/calendar.html

All Previous Race Replays:
http://www.gentlefoot.com/downloads.html

Videos (including some from GFC season 1):
http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/lfsvideo.html

Current Entrants:
1. R4RGentlefoot - FOX
2. [SR]BlackBird - FOX
3. ((Onion)) - FOX
4. nigelpm - FOX
5. LRB_Aly - FOX
6. ZWR|Adam5k1 - FO8
7. .deFINe. - FOX
9. Jambo - FOX
9. count.bazley - FOX
10. laudi - FOX
11. Starblue - FO8
12. pswillies - FOX
13. [SR]de Souza - FOX
14. R4RStorm_Cloud - FO8
15. Lateralus - FOX
16. ian maslen - FOX
17. [SR]Blas - FO8
18. CoRe.BigTime - FOX
19. spdoFiredUp - FO8
20. Hydrophonic - FOX
21. timbob - FOX
22. DBP|Flip - FO8
23. r8devil - FOX
24. Struan [><] - FOX
25. Juiceman - FO8
26. bozo - FOX
27. [DBP] Stoney - FOX
28. [DBP] MADD-MAFF - FOX
29. [DBP] B-RAD - FO8
30. [DBP]Sly_Guy - FOX
31. [DBP]Skinny- FO8
32. Leprekaun - FO8
33. Agarash - FO8
34. ted209 - FOX
35. wolfman55 - FOX
36. AndYCH - FO8
37. danNy - FOX
38. matze78 - FO8

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Sun, 6 Jan 2008 20:11.

Circuit: Fern Bay RallyX and Black (R)
Cars: TBOs and LXs
RallyX Laps: 5
LX Laps: 10
RallyX Server: Gentlefoot.com#1
LX Server: Gentlefoot.com#3

The first hour will be spent on Gentlefoot.com#1 racing the Rallyx layout in TBOs. Then at 21:00GMT we will move to Gentlefoot.com#3 for some dual class LX racing. These servers will be open to the public and everyone is welcome to join us.

Current Race Entrants: (Full race to be held on 16th December)

RallyX Entries:
1. R4RGentlefoot RB4 & Adam5k1 TBA
2. Ian Maslen TBA & TBA
3. Count.Bazley TBA & ((Onion)) RB4
4. nigelpm RB4 & ted209 TBA
5. Starblue & Partner TBA

LX Entries:
1. R4RGentlefoot LX4 & Adam5k1 LX6
2. Ian Maslen TBA & TBA
3. Count.Bazley LX6 & ((Onion)) LX4
4. FMLaudi - LX4 & FMTroy LX6
5. gohfeld23 - LX4 & Partner TBA
6. Mazz - LX4 & Partner TBA
7. Primoz - LX6 & HRTBurnout LX4
8. LRB_Aly - LX & DR|Strobe LX
9. nigelpm LX4 & ted209 LX6
10. Starblue & Partner TBA

More info:
www.gentlefoot.com/otherevents.html

If you can't make the Wednesday races there is a dual class LX race on Sunday 16th. See www.gentlefoot.com/otherevents.html

This event is just under 2 weeks away. Everyone welcome.

So far I have 10 RallyX entries and 20 LX entries so still plenty of grid slots.

Quote from BigTime :

Two things that caught my eye. There is like 1:30 of black screen at the end of the video, could save on file size. Also why didn't you mention the champions? Other than that it was a great video, especially being 8+ minutes.

Thanks for feedback - know about the black bit at the end. Not sure what happened there.

Couldn't name the champions cos when the vid was made the season was still running.

I think, in general at least, the best way to improve a road cars handling is simply to increase the rear ARB rate. Most road cars have massive amounts of understeer dialed in because most people don't know what to do in an oversteer situation. This means statistically understeer is safer.

But if you are experienced at driving quickly and can cope with a bit of oversteer, a bit more rear roll bar, especially on FWD cars can result in a big improvement in balance without wrecking the smooth ride road setups give.

Also, a brand new rear anti rollbar can be got for as little as £100 for some cars. Pretty easy to fit too. Worth adding some poly bushes while you are there aswell. Compare this to the cost of coilovers or dampers and you see where I'm coming from.

If I was Alonso I would go and stand in the corner facing the wall like the naughty little child he is.

Quote from Bandit77 :

so what about this assumption:

if you take a roadcar (production car) with a sporty stock suspension and...

A) lower it by just replacing springs (which are usually harder and shorter), you will have all the benefits of a lower center of gravity (which doesn't really affect grip, does it?), a bit more negative camber, but on the expense of damper lifespan (obvious) and the ride will get bouncy and therefore you will possibly have less grip / traction.

B) mount dampers that are harder (and mostly shorter) than the stock dampers (although I don't know why one would do this - maybe because their "better"), you wouldn't have any real benefits, would you?

In reference to your point A - lowering the car by reducing the length of springs will also effect the suspension geometry which will lead to changes in the Steering Axis Inclination and scrub radius. This can cause all sorts of problems with steering but also roll centres. I lowered a Golf Mk2 with a set of coilovers and initially had major understeer until I raised the front back up again by quite a bit. The problems with steering sensitivity remain owing to the fact the wheels on there have a different offset which also effects scrub radius.

In reference to both your points - you ask what the benefits are when changing to harder springs and dampers. The answer is none, unless you are going to use the vehicle on a nice flat surface like a race track. On the road the extra stiffness results in less tyre contact with the road because of all the bumps you get on typical (uk at least) roads.

R1s last forever in the FOX. I have completed every race in the GFC this season on R1s. The races are around 75 minutes and R1 will last around 2/3 - 3/4 of the race. At some tracks you can even do the whole race without changing tyres.

I have a lot of good setups for the FOX on my website. The one for AS Hist is a beauty.

Another consideration is the amount of work the dampers will have to do.

If they are used with very soft springs they won't last as long. Rebound on dampers tends to reduce over time quite a bit until eventually you need to get them re-conditioned.

Quote from Jakg :

Surely the weight of the car and the pressure that the suspension is under as the car gets to the bottom of the Eau Rouge bit has an affect that needs to be factored into the setup, whereas Club is very flat...?

I'm not setup guru, but i'd think that there would need to be some diferences...?

I would suggest that what happens at the bottom of eau rouge is irelevant as you are heading through there with no steering lock on anyway if you have the line right.

I think that undulations are only important if they happen while a change of direction is also required.

Quote from BURN :

hey a bit late but now ive seen the complete video and really liked the action scenes. some really nice camera angles. very well done

Regards

Nice one smokey - appreciate that Hope to see you on track again soon.

Quote from Jakg :

AS2 has a massive straight whereas Cadet has a tiny straight - Cadet has BIG elevation changes whereas Club doesn't

...how can they be similar...?

How long the straights are is irrelevant on a machine with a low max speed and no downforce.

Elevation changes - not sure how that affects setup - please explain.

Quote from Ondrejko :

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=20056

If you are handy with VB - and I mean handy, and you know how to use API calls to fetch and examine certain pieces of memory it is possible however it is not an accepted practice and the last time I posted details about how to do it the post was removed.

Quote from Storm_Cloud :

Wow - a fan!

I'm regretting getting my internet from Alfa Romeo now...

Wash your mouth out! Dirty boy.

There is an excellent set for AS2 on my setups page.

http://www.gentlefoot.com/sets.html

It's one of my very best sets and I got very close to WR with it. I would have thought it will work pretty well at Cadet too.

If only it were that simple. Unfortunately it's not. ARB rates required depend on spring and damper rates too. So you can get wierd results like that you describe.

Sounds like you may need a bit more front spring rate or maybe even front bump.

When I adjust sets I tend to work in 1 (defo not more than 2 or 3) clicks at a time.

Often, if I want less oversteer I will add 1 click of ARB, spring and front bump.

Also, your brake balance could be affecting things. Too much rear can make it snappy under braking, too much front and you can't get the nose in while trail braking.

Also, try messing about with the diff. Not enought pre-load or coast locking can also cause the problems you describe.