#1 Don't assume you know things. No other content has been speculated on because they realized after their mistake that they should keep quit until 100% ready for release/testing.
#2 They made the mistake of announcing them 4 years ago, then not releasing anything new track/car wise.
#3 Rockingham is in use at the REAL Rockingham track, therefore it must be okay to use if they are using it at a public venue. (and before you jump on the, "Rockingham paid for the track, etc etc bandwagon, know this. There are plenty of other programs which feature the Rockingham track so there is not a good reason as to why it can't be released i.e. tire physics.) The same can be said for the VWS. If LFS is good enough for the rest of the cars to play with *bites tongue* semi-realistic physics, then why cant the VWS be played with until the tire physics come out. It would allow for a very very very thorough testing of the car by more than just the developers.
#4 Releasing both of these would make perfect business sense, seeing as how nothing new (car or track) wise has come in 4 years. This would certainly send a spike in new licenses as well as new drivers and teams and servers. Hell, if they don't want to add it to S2 content, call both of them S3 and begin working on "S4" with totally new content. Charge a reduced upgrade fee and BAM, LFS is pulling in revenue again.
There isn't any sort of business plan for LFS from what I can see (4 years to update physics for example), as most of us already know, the Devs are busy with their personal lives instead of making LFS top selling software. IF there was any sort of detailed business plan, it would probably include investors and possibly selling the rights to a big name company. But this is not the path of LFS, the devs plan to do all the work themselves, leaving its customers and fans to sit and wait and wait and wait some more.
It's really sad that nothing is being done to progress LFS like it used to pre Z25, with speed and lots of communication. (aside from community members updating textures that should have been updated by Eric ages ago and InSim applications.)
LFS has the potential to become a top selling simulator if it had the proper backing to do so, but with it's current path, it will remain an indie game and probably die an indie game too.
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That is just my S2 licensed time, I had a demo account since 2006, bro.
You see, I saw all the posts about the upcoming content and thought, you know maybe if I pay for a license it will help get these out sooner. WRONG!!!!
I think it would be reasonable for the release of Rockingham and VWS as S1 and S2 content, as a form of saying thanks to all the people who have stuck around and stayed true to LFS and did not leave for iRacing or rFactor or any other game that may be more appealing to others.
I would make a poll asking this, but don't know if I want to risk facing retaliation for doing so.
I would make a poll asking this, but don't know if I want to risk facing retaliation for doing so.
I have made many mistakes in my life in which I paid the price for all of them, not the opposite where others paid for my mistakes. So my statement stands, they need to take responsibility for their actions and release the car which was supposed to be released 4 years ago to all paid license holders.
It most certainly would feel different even without the tire update. VWS from appearance has a high center of gravity than most (MOST meaning a majority) the cars now and not to mention TC on a FF layout.
Sooooooooo to shove it in your face, it most certainly would have a different feel and drive different.
Nobody put a gun to your head and made you read this thread, nor did they make you reply with such a wasteful response. Take your own advice and stop whining, That doesn't change a f*.
This is a thread about the developement of LFS(or lack of). If you are unhappy with the topic, don't read the thread.
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Indeed. Postponed due to their mistakes, so they decide to "punish" the entire LFS community because of it and withhold it.
They should make good with the 4 year old announcement and release the car, but they won't because....."Insert witty reason here"!
Well until you are a mod and can do that, you should try a different approach.
See below comment
Instead of being a complete tool and saying someone needs a ban because they can't use the search function, you should be helping people and making the community look helpful and welcoming.
The person you were talking about might not be computer literate.
Stop assuming people are trolling when they ask a question and give a legitimate answer.
You are the owner of the top public race server, you should be setting an example for the rest of the community, instead of joining in the trolling and disrespect.
Every time someone posts a troll comment, it sparks a flame war. Stop the wars by not trolling.
I would like an update that is similar to Z25. Z25 was the last good update before LFS went to the dark ages and stopped being updated and cared about.
All other releases and news updates after Z25 have been very short and plain.
Updates before Z25 we filled with excitement and passion because it appeared that the Devs actually cared about LFS and had passion for it, but after their terrible PR skills with the Scirocco and Rockingham, the devs attitudes has appeared to be less passionate and enthusiastic.
Just something I wanted to share as I was reading over the past news updates and such.
"The VW Scirocco and Rockingham have seemed quite close to release for some time now, but we decided to wait for the updated tyres because these things from the real world will be best experienced with the most realistic physics system. Eric has been working on some more S3 content but he would like to get nearer to finishing before we show any new pictures."
It's been 2 years since the above post and still no pictures of any supposed "S3 content" or the VWS or Rockingham.
If I was the owner of a company and did nothing to better it or please my customers, I would probably be out of business and working somewhere else. Guess that is what Scawen and team has had to do since the last 4 years has produced nothing of value.
All other releases and news updates after Z25 have been very short and plain.
Updates before Z25 we filled with excitement and passion because it appeared that the Devs actually cared about LFS and had passion for it, but after their terrible PR skills with the Scirocco and Rockingham, the devs attitudes has appeared to be less passionate and enthusiastic.
Just something I wanted to share as I was reading over the past news updates and such.
"The VW Scirocco and Rockingham have seemed quite close to release for some time now, but we decided to wait for the updated tyres because these things from the real world will be best experienced with the most realistic physics system. Eric has been working on some more S3 content but he would like to get nearer to finishing before we show any new pictures."
It's been 2 years since the above post and still no pictures of any supposed "S3 content" or the VWS or Rockingham.
If I was the owner of a company and did nothing to better it or please my customers, I would probably be out of business and working somewhere else. Guess that is what Scawen and team has had to do since the last 4 years has produced nothing of value.
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They are just mad their busted PC's can't handle pCars. I also own it and am much more impressed with it than I am LFS.
LFS was good, but it has become obsolete and out-dated right now. Like he said 4 years since 1 new car and 1 new track were announced and we still don't have those items. If you look at the development track of LFS, something isn't right. They announce a new car and track over 4 years ago, had a solid date for when one of them would be released, then they backtracked completely and decided to work on another aspect of the game after they already made the announcement and date of release.
"We are pleased to announce that we plan to release the new VW Scirocco in Live for Speed during the week ending Friday 19th December 2008."
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"We plan to fix the bugs and continue developing the Scirocco suspension and electronic control systems, to give you a good patch early in 2009."
"we found that we could not make the LFS model handle as well as the real car. One of the reasons for this was that the LFS tyres had too much grip and this was causing the inside wheels to lose too much load while cornering. But simply reducing the grip would not have been a good approach... the result would have been just the same old LFS but at lower speeds." > Who cares, we are all playing the same OLD lfs right now right, why couldn't we play the same old LFS with a NEW car? DERPPPPPPPP.
I know the devs have learned from this mistake because now we can't get any sort of time frame or date for S3 or any of the above mentioned changes, but they should OWN up to this mistake, and make good with their 4 year old announcements and release some content for their error.
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Like you have any room to talk?
This kind of attitude isn't needed. Just because someone posts on a demo account and asks about S3 you think they need a ban? I think you could use a 3 day ban just to see what it feels like.
Who cares if he posted from a demo account? Get over your holier than thou because I have an S2 account mindset and try some common courtesy and respect.
not yet, but it is likely atleast one of us will.
Quick Update
Team is still going strong. Members have been communicating through Skype and practicing on the Simplexity Private server. Things are going as planned and looking very positive for the team. Thanks to all those that wished us luck as we build and grow as a team.
Team is still going strong. Members have been communicating through Skype and practicing on the Simplexity Private server. Things are going as planned and looking very positive for the team. Thanks to all those that wished us luck as we build and grow as a team.
Children already have access to it by middle school according to a few surveys(not saying they aren't biased but i'd believe it given my own experiences with school). Prohibitions sends it underground instead of a regulated and taxed environment like cigarettes and liquor.
And people already smoke weed and drive.
I agree with amp, you need to explain.
Here is my explanation of my support for legalization.
It's no worse than Alcohol and Tobacco. Both are addictive and can require some sort of treatment to stop then if you become addicted.
With moderation it is the same as wanting to have a drink or two.
Cigarettes are just bad for you, and if you choose to kill yourself and cost thousands in medical bills and such then go for it, it's one of the joys having the freedom to do that. Except you can't with marijuana because our govt. still thinks prohibition is working and helping the problem when it really isn't doing anything to help at all.
Prohibition never works in these cases and the sooner this silly prohibition is ended, the hemp industry can come and help stem a few other problems we are having as well such as renewable fuels and other quite miraculous products. Hemp has an almost endless way to use it.
How about this one, read the manual that came with your MOBO. Usually there is a troubleshooting section that will tell you all about the beeps and what they mean.
Wasn't trolling, was making an honest suggestion.
"Allow the master server to run older versions and the newer versions and get on with the fecking updates already." - edge3147 quoted from 6 posts up.
*edit* post number 777, hope its my lucky post.
Not going to sit here trying to break WR's when someday they can all be wiped out IF s3 ever comes out.
I've driven all cars on all tracks, waiting for better physics before I devote my entire gaming life to something that is supposed to have already changed back in 2009.
Go troll someone else you turd.
I've driven all cars on all tracks, waiting for better physics before I devote my entire gaming life to something that is supposed to have already changed back in 2009.
Go troll someone else you turd.
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Simple fix here.
Allow the master server to run older versions and the newer versions and get on with the fecking updates already.
3+ yrs and still no Sirocco or Rockingham. YES I JUST WENT THERE.
Allow the master server to run older versions and the newer versions and get on with the fecking updates already.
3+ yrs and still no Sirocco or Rockingham. YES I JUST WENT THERE.
If you tru and don't succeed In many jurisdictions, medical facilities are empowered or required to commit anyone whom they believe to be suicidal for evaluation and treatment
While it's not a written law any more, you are still treated as if it were.
In many jurisdictions, medical facilities are empowered or required to commit anyone whom they believe to be suicidal for evaluation and treatment.
You don't know what you are talking about do you.
Try to kill yourself, but don't succeed. It is not legal for you to take your own life.
Just saying, S3?
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