Quote from Victor :

We will never ban someone for stealing skins. Skins after being downloaded are saved to your computer and anyone with a bit of search capabilities can figure out how to convert the dds file to a jpg as was previously explained.
It's a fact of life in LFS that skins can be used by others and there is little that we or anyone can do about it. The best approach therefore in general is to keep your nerve and ask kindly of the 'offender' would stop using your skin.

(ps this post is instead of a mail reply)

Quote from S14 Drift :

They aren't stealing it. You are G-I-V-I-N-G it to them. You are uploading it to a service who's sole purpose is to DISTRIBUTE IT.

The connection between stealing a physical item and this is beyond stupid. I'm trying very hard not to berate you more than necessary, but you are making it oh so very hard. I know you probably wont understand this concept, but I'll explain it anyway.

Taking a physical item from someone DEPRIVES them of said item. They LOSE something, they leave with LESS than they started with. In the case of content, they aren't STEALING it...stealing indicated theft, theft indicates loss. You have LOST nothing. You still have your skin, therefore, they are not, in fact, stealing it. Its the same with the music industry. At least though, with music, they can claim a loss, because they lost the sale. You aren't selling anything, so you have no argument. Also, Last I checked, there is no way to upload a license with the image, so you can't even claim copyright infringement. While you legally hold the copyright, without a license, it falls under "fair use" and therefor, they can use it.

As for not knowing what I'm talking about... Nope, I don't skin cars for LFS. The texture mapping is horrendous at best. I've got about 10 cars I've done...only 2 uploaded to lfsworld because the others are incomplete. As games go, the mapping of the models is very bad. A 25 pixel square on the hood is generally not the same size on the model as a 25 pixel square on the door. That's a HUGE no-no when it comes to serious modeling/texturing. Frankly, I don't feel the need to waste my time trying to work around it.

However, I do spend around 10-15 hours a week contributing to various open-source development projects. All free, all open source, and all GPL licensed (anyone can copy, modify, and redistribute any code I create at their leisure, as long as they leave my license info in the file). Frankly, I think that content creators who try to keep anyone from using their content, or only allow its use with restrictive terms, are greedy, self-serving, poor examples of humanity. Theres a time and a place to make money off of content creation, when its offered as a service, ok. Development shops, software developers, and artists that actually provide their skills as paid services are fine. People who do it for a hobby, put it out there for anyone (generally more of a "bragging" type thing) and bitch when someone uses it that they don't like are quite despicable.

If you don't want someone to use your skin, don't give it to them. Simple as that. Your argument is juvenile and defensive, which means it should hardly be taken seriously. By putting your skin on lfsworld.com, you are, in-fact, GIVING it to everyone you race with, and you are doing so without license or restriction. If you don't like it, don't upload it. If you create skins because you like it, then keep them to yourself. But thats not really it, you want everyone to see it, you want the attention, you have the need to feel recognition for your work, and that's perfectly ok, thats normal behavior in every aspect. However, unless LFS integrates some sort of license system or encryption setup, anything you upload is considered "fair use" material, and that means people can use, modify, and redistribute. The only thing they can do that would be marginally illegal, would be to profit from it...and thats still a very gray line.

Can we lock this stupid thread now?

Quote from Bean0 :

I've slightly reworded your quote as follows...

"Web browsers have a feature which is called 'Automatic picture download'. Whenever you post a picture online to be viewed by other web users, they will download your picture from a webserver."

So basically you are saying that anything uploaded to a public area of the internet is fair game to be re-used however people see fit ?

You sir, are stupid. Go to LFSworld.net and then go to upload a skin.

That text that i quoted came from the skin uploading window.

See attached picture.


Go crawl back under the bridge you came out from under.

Quote from hyntty :

This deserves Timo's seal of approval

I mean guys for ****s sake, skins like any art is intellectual property. Much like photos pro photographers take and publish on their website. You wouldn't sue someone for stealing skins, therefore calling them with inappropriate names is perfectly in order.

Yes, but when you upload it to LFSWorld, you are distributing it WITH your consent to every person that is in whatever server you decide to join.


"Live for Speed has a feature which is called 'Automatic skin download'. Whenever you use a skin online with other racers, they will attempt to download your skin from our webserver."

In plain english to where everyone can understand it. If it is a PRIVATE SKIN, don't use it on a PUBLIC SERVER.

NGC will be closed until further notice.

I, Psycho, See all the other cruise servers running and have decide to take NGC Servers offline. NGC will be back, but when I feel it is the right time to come back. I have been busy getting things in my personal life straightened out and it has taken away from my Online time severely.

Once I am in a position to return to the LFS Community, I will make my annoucement here. Until then, I would like to wish all the LFS Teams and Supporting Communities the best of luck. For all the NGC Members, I would like to apologize and give full support to leave and find other servers where you enjoy playing.

See you sometime in the future LFS Drivers.

John aka Psycho.

Just for a few more days, have been very very busy. But we got a new host and are almost ready to come back. This was only temporary.

Stay on IC, it's ok.

Been hard at work on the insim and my real job, an update is coming soon™.

Sorry for the delay.

After a much needed personal vacation, I have started working on the NGC insim again.

An update should be ready soon™.

In other news, 1 NGC sponsored server is back online. Team Vires by NGC (Private) is online.
Working to get all our other sponsored servers back, having trouble to due hosting limits right now.

Last edited by edge3147, Fri, 30 Mar 2012 18:30.

I like Nice setup too.

LFS Name:edge3147
Racername:[NGD] Psycho
Time zone: -5 GMT
Number: 420

Read carefully so you don't jump to conclusions before reading the entire thing.

While I understand what Victor said, the fact still REMAINS, VWS and Rockingham were both announced YEARS ago. Falling back from those updates because you are TRYING to improve the physics is a bad move. If I announce that I completed a layout change on my server but then decided not to do it because I was trying to fix the Insim, masses of trolls would call me out and trash my name because I announced something was done and ready but then decided against it because I wanted to fix SOMETHING else first.

Now I understand the physics is what helps make this such a good and fun racing sim to own and play BUT Doing all this hard work like Rockingham and the VWS and then just having it sit around and not be seen is really HURTING the future of LFS. Like most everyone has pointed out, the stardard for pc gaming has risen and LFS trying to make up for the advances in the gaming standard is not only killing the gameplay but it is also killing the interest in LFS as well. Take a look at RFactor and CARS for example, yes they are still being majorly developed and are flawed and have bugs but what they have that LFS doesn't is PROGRESS. Updates here, updates there. Adding cars here, adding tracks there, adding new graphical features, etc.


Signs of progress are what help attract and KEEP players.

Quote from Yuri Laszlo :

Obviously if it was good enough they would have released the track already. Did anyone here actually play it at Rockingham and can vouch for the realism of the track at the time of the event?

For all we know, it could have had the worst arcadey feel ever - something I'm sure most people here would be getting their panties in a twist about it if it happened once it had been made publicly available.

It changes nothing with the physics, so the cars would drive they drive right now. It is only a track update. But I have to live with the devs choices, so I will stop my participation in this thread now, glad Victor came and said something tho =)

All valid points, but, I don't like silence.

Quote from Intrepid :

When did spending £24 on one of the best sims on the planet give people the licence to act like complete ejits?

Imagine going to get a take away pizza, and when the place was getting renovated you waltzed on, and on the basis of once spending £24 on a really nice pizza (say a pizza that continued to be 'consumerable' for years and years), you start shouting at the managers telling them how they don't care about you and treat you like sh*t & how the renovation should be quicker. You agree that would be odd behavour? no?

The contract between YOU and LFS is very simple. You give them £24 and you get S2 content with the occasional bug fix. They have more than lived up to their side of the contract. If you have beef, take them to court. Though taking a match and setting light to a bundle of cash would yield more worth.

If people engaged half a brain cell they may figure out that Rockingham probably contracted Scawan and co to create it. WE probably didn't PAY for it! As if somehow PAYING for LFS is somehow like a TAX which would give you the right to demand certain things. It isn't a tax though, it's a contract between buyer and supplier. LFS isn't a democratic sovereign state. It's a business.

The contract probably stipulates a number of things that mean it may not be contained within S2. Or that maybe the devs don't want to release it yet. So what?

I feel for the devs sometimes having people totally misunderstand the fundamentals about how they do things.

Right and because Scawen and Crew are such good developers and well known people, I am sure they are the first people Rockingham went to about this. I would bet money, that Rockingham already had a laser scan of the track and offered it to Scawen and Company for a price.



As for the fundamentals about how they are doing things, they are very lousy and lacking. I have half the mind to be able to see that lack of communication is a not helping them any BUT it is hurting their image in the long run.

I have fitted our AS5X layout with my Speed Limit Marker idea added in.

The onscreen speed limit is disabled right now as a true test the signs, because in real life you don't have an onscreen speed limit system and most gps devices that I have seen do not give speed limits.

This is the most "realistic" speed limit system you will find on a cruise server right now.

All posted speeds are based in kmh.

I just don't understand why LFS is good enough for the actual track to run obviously current versions of LFS WITH Rockingham, while the rest of us who helped fund and create this game with our license purchases get to sit back and wait and wonder.

Releasing 1 new track ahead of the tyre update is a more than reasonable and feasible update to do than say releasing the VWS. I just don't understand why it hasn't been done. Everyone could go to the real track and play what we are all waiting for (not really plausible for most but still the fact remains that it is possible.)

Need to rethink the marketing strategy.

=( Guess I go back to waiting.

Quote from tbofram :

It looks like some vandals have knocked them off from were they should be. But cool

Thanks, I appreciate the feedback. Definitely going with this idea. Speed Limit Markers will be based in KMH. I will make sure to put a notice on the Insim as well. This is a never seen before idea from NGC =)

Quote from xtraction :

i agree with this quote 100%.. I dont think they want to waste their time releasing updates when there isnt much activity anymore. I dont think they get that if they do release one, many more will return.

They dont even take the time to mix it up and muddle in with the people that are dedicated and keep their sim going, even though its outdated. They post progress reports, ban people from forums and lock threads.

If you sum everything up, its an abomination.. but hey, LFS is still a great sim because of the freedom we are given.

110% Agree with you.

We should have this track already. Once the physics is released all the WR's will be reset anyway, why can't we have it now to practice on until the new physics is completed???

New SO4X Layout, thanks to Aleksi =)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v ... FtBd0&feature=related


Oct, 2011. That is LFS on Rockingham they are playing AT the real Rockingham track.


So the Rockingham track is good enough to be used for simulators at the real track, but the license holders like us who helped fund and make this possible still can't have the track?

Shady business.

http://www.marketwatch.com/sto ... ssan-ceo-ghosn-2012-03-21


Not in US or U.K. Markets tho, Indonesia, India, and Russia

Quote from tbofram :

You little s*it, you added south city without telling me I have not cruised on that track for ages. That track better be on the server when I visit

Come check it out!!!!!

Also, quick question for anyone wanting to answer.

What do you think about using these markers as speed limit signs?
(the 75 marker)

Here is a screenshot of the current NGC Insim.




Full Size link below
http://i.imgur.com/TinVZ.jpg

Adding buttons for driving and bank bonus soon.

Last edited by edge3147, Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:20.

Yes as soon as we get our host problem figured out, shouldn't be too much longer.