The developers are bailing out. Perhaps LFS was just a project to get on their CV's for a better job higher up the pecking order!

How do I install the VW Scirocco and new tyre physics model?












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Quote from tristancliffe :

Because that isn't true? I'm sure Scawen does care - very much. Probably more than you.

Development is just slow. No 'because' or qualifier is really needed. It's the way it is. You can claim you've been personally slighted by it, or that your angry Scawen doesn't email you personally every time he does a bit of coding, but it won't change anything.

LFS may die from the wait. It might not; the next patch might be so good that EVERY sim racer ONLY plays LFS for the next 12 years. Two extremes, and both are possible. I suspect the reality is in the middle, and it'll just bumble along at its own pace for a while yet, as it has always done...

Look at the facts, weeks and weeks months and months years and years and yet no updates. It doesn't take much to realise nothing is or at least has been happening.

I didn't say he owed us anything! What is getting my gripe here is that he knows and everybody else knows he hasn't been doing jack **** otherwise we'd have it, all we get is some politicians long winded ambiguous answers. He can't just come out with the truth and say 'yeah, we've haven't been doing it for such and such a reason'. He'd rather make us believe something is still happening and always has been rather than give us the reality of the situation.

There's no need for personal insults here anybody who does resort to such shouldn't be listened to.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Why is that a bad thing? Why should Scawen work 18 hour days when the whole point of LFS is to get away from the corporate world and do their own project how they want to do it.

The advice to go elsewhere has been repeated before (all the way back to 2004 ish), and is sensible advice. Play something else whilst you wait rather than cry on this forum about how Scawen isn't thinking of your personal needs and wants.

So why can't he just be honest and say development is slow because we just don't care about our users think/want?

Loving the kiss-ass attitude of some of the posters in this thread, "go on Scawen, take your time, don't listen to them etc etc". Let's get real, there are millions of decent family men out there that still work hard and have a successful career. Since Scawen does not really need to travel for his work it makes it even easier for him. That's not really much of an excuse some of close friends are full time dads yet manage to work hard.

Scawen's comments that he hasn't been devoting as much time as he would have liked is a typical politicians answer, basically he's being doing close to jack-shit but obviously he can't say that just give some short, contrived explanations why it's taking so long. And with the advice to go some place else i'd dare say he'd hardly even started it.

Maybe the more money they make the less incentive to release updates?

There is no need to insult Scawen he has given us a very good product and we should be thankful but his position is pretty clear, LFS is not being developed as it could and we are urged to stick around until the next patch comes out. I think LFS has become a victim of it's own success, it's not got the workings behind it to show it's full potential and for that I can understand the plea to keep people around but quite frankly the lack of updates and news is simply down to disregard.

Quote from tristancliffe :

You have plenty coming out of your cakehole, so call it quits

Speak for yourself

Quote from JPeace :

Coming from you: that's not surprising.

Anyways guys, let's keep it cool: we don't wanna get too carried away. Not telling, just warning. As such a moral person myself, I know I know.



Don't know about anyone else, but i bought LFS because i wanted to play, not because i wanted to "help" LFS. Not being aggressive or anything, but i think your talking rubbish mate. Im sure some others will agree with me that when I bought LFS i didn't give a crap about whether I was helping out or not: I just wanted something to do, and hope i was good at it. It didn't really fuss me whether the game was realistic, how much the progress of development was or whatever. And to be honest it still doesn't.

You have some brown on your nose

That's a very pessimistic view. Id hate to buy anything from you.

Quote from danowat :

You paid for LFS as it was in its state it was in when you brought it, you don't pay for any future development.

IMO, you only have the "right" to complain if there was something fundementally wrong with the product you paid for at that time.

Updates and improvements are a BONUS not a requirement or neccesity.

What about the people who paid for LFS after the updates had been announced?

Quote from Greboth :

For all the complainers/haters/whiners etc: One question are you all that incapable of putting lfs down and finding another hobby to entertain your time until the patch comes?

Why? People have paid for LFS and are dedicated to seeing it prosper. People are complaining because they were promised updates that have not materialised in over a year. They have a right to complain this is a public forum where people are supposed to publicise their views (within reason) openly. If you don't like hearing peoples opinions then you go and do something else. Simple.

A monthly report or just a reassurance that development is happening takes 30 minutes tops and would mean a great deal to the community. To the fanboi's who say just keep waiting then I bet if we did have a monthly report you'd read it without hesitation knowing they wouldn't actually have a specified release time

Quote from mdmx :

It affects the grip when slip angle changes. Basically meaning when you drift, the grip radically changes depending on the angle, making it feel much more unpredictable and harder to control. Like it is IRL. Especially light weight single seaters and slicks.

Hence why too wide a tyre can actually reduce handling performance

Scawen's decision to close the server change thread without replying to Yeager's post really loses my vote. You can only defend LFS for so long. I know this is only one voice, but I know it's shared with many others.

Quote from legoflamb :

@DAC
More to the point, if that is the case, civilization will be extinct by the time the patch arrives. Complaints about the preservation of civilization should take precedents over LFS; however, you're still complaining about the patch. Therefore, in your case, the LFS patch takes more priority than the end of civilization on this planet because they'll both happen by the time the internet becomes extinct.

The new LFS patch is worth more than the whole world.

The internet will be extinct by the time this patch arrives.

Quote from Uke :

Yeah, but what hopes?

The hopes that the server downtime would be due to new updates

Quote from Uke :

I hope that was sarcasm..

"only they are closing down their occupancy where our servers are currently housed, and moving their servers and ours to another location."

Does not appear to be anything related to updates if you ask me.

Drat, all our hopes destroyed in a single post :P

I actually had a dream last night I was reading a new thread from Scawen :S

Quote from Hallen :

It makes sense, and has been discussed a lot before. No simulation is perfect. It also makes a difference by what he means as being a "handful". If the GT5 cars are unstable at high speed, then what cars are we talking about here? Monstrously powerful 1960's vintage cars that don't have any downforce? Well, yeah, they'd be unstable. Also, not seeing GT5, I can't say much, but a lot of console games over do the gyrations of the car to give the impression of more speed. In other words, everything is bouncing around on the screen and the user thinks that makes things more unstable.

LFS does seem to have issues with how the tires break loose and how they regain grip, sometimes. It is dependent on the situation and the setup used.

You'll find everybody has an opinion on how accurate and realistic a particular sim is. It mostly depends on their experience with games and what they think is important. A lot of people say Forza is more realistic than LFS simply because the graphics look better. It's what they deem important.

TBH I think the biggest limiting factor with all sims is the connection to wheel, pedals etc. It just doesn't feel the same.

I know that corner well, I try to keep the inside then drift right out as not to destabalise the car too much. But even still, when it does become 'skittish' it still has the smooth drifting feel to it compared to the more left-right-left-right type weight transfer you get in say Forza 2.

In laymans terms and thinking aloud I think the difference would be having LFS able to break traction more sharply and abruptly as well as be able to regain it suddenly instead of the slow motion type lose traction go into a drift then slowly back into traction again. If im making any sense.

As some of you know I am doing a research project using LFS for my psychology dissertation. The other day after doing the pilot studies my project supervisor who is a car/driving enthusiast himself commented on how "neutral" the cars seemed to handle. I got the impression he was unimpressed by it's physics. He does sprint races and plays GT5 and the likes. He said that the cars in GT5 tend to be a bit of a handful in contrast to LFS. Now I got a faint idea of this myself after purchasing Forza 2 for the Xbox a few weeks ago, the cars seem to move around a lot more and seem unstable at high speeds. Now I have enough experience in LFS to know that understeer and oversteer tendencies are very easy to provoke. Something else which bugged me was Scawen's comments on how the Scirocco handled with the current physics, is this stability issue due to the drifting nature of LFS physics and would this explain a) my supervisors comments and b) one of the reasons why the new tyre physics is being developed?

Id like some objective posts here not fanboi comments please. And im aware of the difference between hard core sims like LFS and things like Forza, but my point still stands.

Thanks,