The F-view is plainly to see if the car is over/understeering or behaving well on bumps and stuff.
In cockpit view you have the clear advantage of seeing the dashboard moving in relation to the track, so you see where the back end wants to go as well. You will not be able to see this in f/wheel view.
I'm .4 seconds SLOWER in F-view. Prove me wrong. BL on XFG takes roughly 1:36 when in F-view.
Next point would mean you have to get licensed. Then I will set up a race, you against troy, let's say in any car with a H-gearbox. Then you show us your rig (MUST have a clutch and an H-shifter) and troy will stream the race, showing his feet and him racing with you.
You are allowed to drive in F-view, Troy will race you in hardcore manner, no autoclutch, no throttle blip and no sequential shifter.
After he has wiped the floor with your face you may or may not see that it takes so much more than a setup tool view to be quick.
You must be 100% stupid , how in hell will "force mode" help increase your lap times ????? What you can magically see the ground or is it the crazy bars that move around when you move your wheel around.
Do you even know that track engineer uses forces sensor in practise season?
Btw I won MoE 24hrs in GT2 (MoE aswell which is the best league in LFS) without using it. And I'm track engineer in real life, so stop crying. Btw that mode do not show you exactly tyre load so that's useless for serious racing, but quite usefull to understand a car works.
It does give you a better view of the track, yes but it doesn't make any difference with the top guys who explore the tracks limits to the edge anyway and have been using cockpit view for years, ive tried it myself but after so long using cockpit it didn't feel right. Theres alot of things you can do in lfs that you couldn't do in rl so just get on with it. If you feel more comfortable/faster then use it, if you don't want to then learn the cars paramiters in cockpit mode.
Although IMOL is very fast i think im right in saying (i don't know i've not tried it) that the reason he's getting the edge on some of the WR's he's beaten is due to the tyre warming? Some of the WR's he beat didn't have it. Not saying this in offence imol, still awesome laps which you may beat without tyre warming anyway.
copying my message to have them read again then? why are you not so sensible enough to just write me a message or write in here without a quote of that ''bad word'' ?
those who say;
-i am not using it
-it does not give advantage
-it is not important
and defend the feature to the death showed obviously how they are racing.
if its not giving advantage, and its ONLY for setup research, then you can actually block it on hotlapping & online right?
one guy said it was useful while making a set, ok then, try to make sets offline
the other said it was useful online, because some other players have weak pcs that cant handle the game. hmm, then he should not be against blocking the feature on hotlap mode. after all, you dont have cars in there to lag your computer and you are not working on the set in there.
I need to say that I used to race with mouse for maybe 1.5 year and I think I can say that I was pretty good with it. Never used other than just regular cockpit but I know many fast drivers use custom view. Its debatable if there is some view that can really help you but I hope so even a FOV change can make you faster from my experience. I dont like custom views. I think its less realistic and also with mouse I just needed to see the wheel. Currently with wheel I dont need it but its better experience to be in cockpit with some high g force head accelerations... But I think those realistic options always cost you some time for your feel.
From a different standpoint, we agree it is pretty much useless... and the Devs also agree on it. When do you think the next patch will come out which deletes this feature? 1year? 2years? God knows... It is not important at all so they will not launch a special patch for it.
too bad for you that you can't simply admit that you are using it when you are hotlapping and when you are racing and killing the realism of the game, getting advantage.
@Becky_Rose, your signature gives me enough information about you. you could just ignore my thread it doesnt really matter what relationship(!) you got with the force mode. players using it and getting advantage + killing the realism. thats what we are talking about. not your own likings.
''i used it and i didnt like it, it really does not give me advantage, nor should it give to any other. so we must keep it because everyone feels, sees, controls like me. if i dont use it and if i dont get any advantage, this means noone is using it and nobody gets advantage''
1) At least have the decency to buy a license before ripping a 'game' you are clueless about.
2) This is a simulation of real world and as such if gives you the ability to learn from the forces on the car to improve your racing
3) Do a decent (I mean a top 10) hotlap in LFSW before you say a nother word - for that matter, do a hotlap and prove your dribble. BTW, you may use 'F' mode if you so wish (I don't and don't need to and I know there is no advantage in it)
4) Pity you are clueless about the drivers, who replied on this thread, that you are ripping off with your nonsense - like Becky etc etc.
Shift + L
Oh the possibilities of cheating with such amount of information!
There is no advantage being gained focussing on vectors directly in front of you instead of looking ahead... The whole argument is a desperate struggle to explain why you're slow instead of trying to actually get better...
1-dont get mad, relax
2-i played demo as to get a clue. i'd buy s2, if there was no such mode.
3-games have demo versions as to give us a clue about the game. i wont have more clue when i buy s2 than i have now.
4- ad hominem. attacking me instead talking about the subject
and an example: all of you did it, your arguments are fail. like this;
1 Source S makes claim C.
2 Group G, which is currently viewed negatively by the recipient, also makes claim C.
3 Therefore, source S is viewed by the recipient of the claim as associated to the group G and inherits how negatively viewed it is.
ad hominem examples:
"You can't believe John when he says the proposed policy would help the economy. He doesn't even have a job."
"Candidate Jane's proposal about zoning is ridiculous. She was caught cheating on her taxes in 2003."
"What would Mary know about fixing cars? She is a woman." (an example of Ad feminam)