I think its about time that the dev's make the demo time limited.

An unlimited demo, is not the way forward.

Hense why people are just sticking to the demo.

Quote from Krammeh :

I think its about time that the dev's make the demo time limited.

An unlimited demo, is not the way forward.

Hense why people are just sticking to the demo.

We discussed this earlier on other thread. +1

+1, but then we will get all this:

\/\/herz t3h D3m0!1111 T1m3 l1m1t 1s SUCK!! LFS IS SUCK!!!1111 etc. etc.

Quote from JO53PHS :

+1, but then we will get all this:

\/\/herz t3h D3m0!1111 T1m3 l1m1t 1s SUCK!! LFS IS SUCK!!!1111 etc. etc.

Then we /ignore

Well we all need a good laught from time to time. And boy do those threads deliver.

This suggestion has been made many many times before. Surely you must know this?? Serious question: is this thread genuinely supposed to be a new suggestion, or is it just here specifically to restart the age-old and completely pointless whinge about demo players getting something for nothing?

The LFS demo format is a business decision, made by the devs. It's their business and their decision. It's only just had a complete revamp, with a brand new demo car. It's not like the devs have forgotten that they have a demo, is it? I really do think the devs have made their decision, don't you?

Kicking people off the demo won't make them buy the game. If they wanted to buy the game they'd have bought the game already.

Anyway, where am I going to race if you kick me off the demo?

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=14168
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=8662
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=836

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I cannot say that I have ever read any such thread about it, remember, ive only been in the LFS zone for about a year.

The main reason why I started this thread was because I was linked to a cheat that is about. I added the contact user that uploaded the cheat, and he is a demo user.

So, if people had less time on the demo - they would not have the time to create the cheats, as such.

Yes a S2 user could program the cheat, but if they really did,and was caught - the S2 licence could be revoked.

A business plan yes, but I think is a bad one. I know for sure, that I have played a few time-based demo's, and have ended up buying it.

Quote from Krammeh :

A business plan yes, but I think is a bad one. I know for sure, that I have played a few time-based demo's, and have ended up buying it.

And you ended up buying this. I don't think it really matters either way, serious sim racers will buy the game, people who just want to fanny about won't. Limiting the demo won't change this.

I'd say if you gave them a limited anount of time, they would be more likely to crack it

+10^∞

Quote from fragile_dog :

And you ended up buying this. I don't think it really matters either way, serious sim racers will buy the game, people who just want to fanny about won't. Limiting the demo won't change this.

It WILL change things. The reason demo'ers act so ****ed up, is because they see LFS as a walk over. They do wtf they want, And never lose the demo. Whilst it makes LFS look good to new commers, It looks crap in the long run. On that front, I give this thread a big +1.

I happen to disagree with time limiting it. I played the demo for 3 years simply because I couldn't afford to buy the S2 license. I have always and will always hate games which time restrict the demos. Let me tell you why:
Firstly, it means you can't really get into it. In the case of LFS, there's a lot of setup changes to learn. There's 4 track combinations to learn. You need to get used to dealing with 20 other people on the track. To time limit it means that you don't give people that much chance to get to know it that well.
Secondly, I don't trust time limits. It yells of a developer trying to hide a shortcoming or a lack of content. Don't want your demo to give away all your features? No problem, limit what they can do and kick them after a few minutes. That way they'll like what they see but never have time to discover all the limitations.

If it was up to me, I'd abandon support for obsolete game versions on the Master Server, because X is no longer the product they're trying to sell. I'd want to remove all the S2 content from it as well so there's no way to crack it. But that's just me.

1month playtime? they get stuck to the game and they want to buy it..

*demo crowd coming and trying to protest against it*

+1 for it, limit it to one month

Quote from Krammeh :

A business plan yes, but I think is a bad one.

I tend not to believe things unless presented with some tangible reason to believe them, and I simply can't see anything to suggest that the LFS business plan is a bad one. Sorry, but I think that idea is all entirely in your head, mate.

Some of them might buy the game, some not, or re-install it somehow.

+1 a 10 minute limit is better

Quote from SamH :

I tend not to believe things unless presented with some tangible reason to believe them, and I simply can't see anything to suggest that the LFS business plan is a bad one. Sorry, but I think that idea is all entirely in your head, mate.

Go on S2 servers, generally no hackers.
Go on ANY demo server, and there will be a hacker 9 times out of 10.

oh whatever, I'm not even going to continue this - Sam, please lock.

I wont bother with this community any longer.

As LFS doesn't do anything with the windows registry, it would just be a case of redownloading/reinstalling when the limit is reached, surely ?

For most things with a time limit, there are well published workaraounds.

Quote from Krammeh :

Go on S2 servers, generally no hackers.
Go on ANY demo server, and there will be a hacker 9 times out of 10.

oh whatever, I'm not even going to continue this - Sam, please lock.

I wont bother with this community any longer.

.... spitting your dummy out over this? come on mate theres better things to get pissed off with.

Time limiting the demo will do nothing, people will just reinstall the demo, work round it, cracks will still appear. This way people can check out the game for as long as they want, if they want the full experince they can buy. If there was a time limit it would have to be 30 days or something, to give people the chance to properly get into it.

Every single thing that I suggest or release all I get is shot down.

This community can **** off, for as far as im concerned. It's pointless.

There's 2 options. The first is forcing everyone to register an account to play at all. That might be a little harsh though.

The other would be generating codes for each download, but different to normal methods, the .exe will only accept the code designed for that specific download, so keygens won't work. That code allows temporary access to the Master Server and after the time limit is reached that code is blocked so they can't connect any more.

There'd be a way round it, but it'd be extra hard

Krammeh, come on matey.. I challenge you on why you think LFS has a bad business plan, and now you're stomping out of the community? It's not like you at all.

You have massive amounts of time invested in LFS, I know this for a fact. I've also been frustrated in the past at the wide-open demo that's got more value in itself than many $games out there.. I know all this.. but you must also have seen the number of new, never-seen-before S1 and S2 licences through your server's doors, over the last few months, so you gotta know that LFS is still getting plenty of new sales etc. The business plan isn't broken, surely?

If I have any people-skills at all, I'll guess that something is getting to you and it's not about demoers. But then.. I'm not exactly known for my people-skills

[edit] Ahh..hmmm.