Quote from speedway :

- admins should be there earlier to make sure to stick to the time schedule
- lag lap please...

Laglap destroys the whole schedule. If someone is doing a jumpstart and goes to spectate mode you can go back to the connection screen and reorder everything again.

Generally speaking a laglap isn't necessary anymore since Patch W in any lfs league!

Well done with the changes. My pet hate is rubbish banter going on when picking the grid.

And it SHOULD be that if someone is late or they lag-out then the race continues. Sorry, its harsh but fairer to everyone (lag-outs has happened to me twice in other leagues and I understand that it is fair).

Can anyone explain the exact reason and benefit from a lag-lap? Oh, and I'd still like to see improvement in discipline on the lag lap and not use it like an excuse to play bumper-cars.

Actually, on the subject of no chit-chat during grid ordering, what i'd find most helpful from an admin's point of view is if people could look where they've qualified, and know the names of the 2 drivers ahead of them, i'd say maybe 20-25% of the people are helpful and add themselves before i've had chance to spot their name on the list to tell them to join, and if a couple more people knew when their name would be coming up it would certainly speed things up as its a really frustraiting and dull part that could easily be speeded up with a little help from the drivers. I know everyone has other things going through their mind at the time, but it'd certainly help if people we're able to do this.

Quote from CELTIC100 :

I was unaware of this as thats just crazy and a reason on it's own to issue a report to the LFS Barricade

PaulC2K NP with you mate considering the circumstances you did a good job but an extra eye in the back of your head would come in handy

I'm booked in for an eye transplant on the Friday before the race, i say Friday as it gives me the chance to use 'i was still a bit drugged up' as an excuse if anything else goes wrong

Quote from horrgakx :

Can anyone explain the exact reason and benefit from a lag-lap? Oh, and I'd still like to see improvement in discipline on the lag lap and not use it like an excuse to play bumper-cars.

I think the name "lag-lap" is more historical than it is descriptive. Since Patch W, the start lag has seemed to diminish. However, the benefits of these "lag-laps" are still there in that they serve to give everyone a chance to experience a race start with the people they are racing with on that day, and make adjustments in strategy. Yeah, I know it's not realistic, but neither are the cars nor the tracks we run on, so how does it hurt the quality of racing?

I agree that the discipline shown by many drivers on lag-laps is not what you want in a real race, but I can't see penalizing someone for incidents on lag laps.

Lag laps are entirely nessisery IMO considering we now have over 30 cars in the field. I still see in this patch when going from the end screen to the race my screen freezes along with anyone else and when it finally comes back we're all sitting on the grid while the green light has been and gone.

Also is alot harder for those people with less powerfull machines to load everything at once, my pc still stuggles a bit and it's quite decent.

I still think it would make things 100 times easier for each team to qualify on the server they raced in for the previous round, easy to remember and will mean less people jumping servers.

what he said

I find it odd, that you call it "tribunal hearing".

In an hearing, BOTH PARTIES, are heard So drop the hearing Please

Quote from Bawbag :

Lag laps are entirely nessisery IMO considering we now have over 30 cars in the field. I still see in this patch when going from the end screen to the race my screen freezes along with anyone else and when it finally comes back we're all sitting on the grid while the green light has been and gone.

Also is alot harder for those people with less powerfull machines to load everything at once, my pc still stuggles a bit and it's quite decent.

I still think it would make things 100 times easier for each team to qualify on the server they raced in for the previous round, easy to remember and will mean less people jumping servers.

Ok. if Lag laps prevents these types of things happening and skin downloading? we can introduce lag laps for the rest of the season
How long do they need to go for?
few corners, half lap, full lap?

Quote from alland44 :

I find it odd, that you call it "tribunal hearing".

In an hearing, BOTH PARTIES, are heard So drop the hearing Please

Done. Renamed to Tribunal Results.

Quote from Arrow. :

Ok. if Lag laps prevents these types of things happening and skin downloading? we can introduce lag laps for the rest of the season
How long do they need to go for?
few corners, half lap, full lap?

Say driving like the last car (which didnt get rammed or rammed itself) gets to the first split.

However there is the downside that if you do a falsestart and move too much you are being sent to sepctators and once the race restarts you're put back of the grid.

But then, if you need to be stupid enough to do that, you kinda deserve the last place from the grid. imo

Quote from Arrow. :

Ok. if Lag laps prevents these types of things happening and skin downloading? we can introduce lag laps for the rest of the season
How long do they need to go for?
few corners, half lap, full lap?

From my experience with lag laps we always did one full lap, when the leader got to the line we restarted. If it's a long track then you may not want to wait but I would at least give it a minute, minimum.

What about Qualifying Servers

Should we make it where the team raced is the server they qualify on?
but what happens if they got split into Div 1 and Div 2?
What if we qualified on in order of Championship points?

I'd go with the championship points.
Sounds really the easiest and most simple way to get it organised without room for misunderstandings.

Quote from Arrow. :

What about Qualifying Servers

Should we make it where the team raced is the server they qualify on?
but what happens if they got split into Div 1 and Div 2?
What if we qualified on in order of Championship points?

Well, most racers usually qualify themselves to the server they raced on, so there will be much less traffic between the pools when qual ends. There will still be movement, but much less, so race can start earlier and stuff.
So id say each team qualify on servers they raced on prrevious race. And when the too racers of the team were racing on different servers, just decide whos going where. Simple, fast, less work for racers, and admins as well

Well, simpler would be both team memebers qualifying on the server according to their championship standing.

Besides, you know that there are some Blackwood specialists, or Aston specialists etc. that might race on server1 and the next round on server3. General standings IMO are a better indication of where people belong

Edit: Oh, and if different drivers race in different rounds, it will make things more complicated.

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Quote from maczo :

Well, simpler would be both team memebers qualifying on the server according to their championship standing.

Besides, you know that there are some Blackwood specialists, or Aston specialists etc. that might race on server1 and the next round on server3. General standings IMO are a better indication of where people belong

Edit: Oh, and if different drivers race in different rounds, it will make things more complicated.

Almost the same as my opinion. Still, if someone is a bl specialist, and is in a team thats like no. 40 according to the championship points, at blackwood he will probably make it to pool 1, but at so he might get stuck in pool 3. So theres no perfect formula for sorting the qual spots.

Quote from sidi :

So your against changing drivers for each round?

No, quite the opposite.
That was my argument against placing drivers individually on servers they had been racing on in previous rounds. If drivers change between rounds, then there might be confusion as to which one replaces which of the previous ones and why etc. Just my 2 cents.

- passworded 2 hours before the event.
servers will be passworded before i go to bed

-no talking during position assignment for the race
added to rules

- lag lap please
There will now be a lag lap for the rest of the season.

- no spectators
only spectators allowed will be ASR TV broadcasters

- Passwords sent well before event
passwords will be sent to team managers and some drivers over weekend

- Admins on all servers 10+ minutes before event
i will wake up at 5:30 and present on the server atleast 20mins prior to 10min practise.

- Disabling or resetting the tracker at proper time
only needs to be done just before Qualifying starts-

- Website General Information
Will be updated over weekend

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banni is fixing the problem

thanks Arrow....

I have said it before but I feel its good to say again. Thanks for all the hardwork in making this a fun league to play in. It's my first LFS event and I'm impressed with the way its done and listening to drivers to improve it......

thanks again.

Quote from StableX :

thanks Arrow....

I have said it before but I feel its good to say again. Thanks for all the hardwork in making this a fun league to play in. It's my first LFS event and I'm impressed with the way its done and listening to drivers to improve it......

thanks again.

Thanks for the kind words Stable and the nice racing before
Have fun and enjoy yourself .

So does every agree to qualify as per Championship points order?

Quote from Arrow. :

Thanks for the kind words Stable and the nice racing before
Have fun and enjoy yourself .

So does every agree to qualify as per Championship points order?

I do... but if you're gonna follow that, please announce it properly and make grid sortings for every round

Quote from Arrow. :

So does every agree to qualify as per Championship points order?

Does that mean the championship points determine the server for qualy only and not for race? For the race it's still decided by qualyfication-time I hope.

If this is so, I say yes.

Quote from speedway :

i would like to see subsections in this forum for race1/race2 and so on

all the threads with pre-/during-/ post-race discussion,broadcasts, qualify results, race reports etc definitely make the forum loose its clearity

Ok, what about these subforums?
- Pre Season
- Round 1
- Round 2
- Round 3
- Round 4
- Round 5
- Round 6
- Round 7
- Round 8

Any others needed?

You cant create sub forums for every single round, thats crazy!
I agree its a bloody mess, but what it needs is better organisation of threads, stickies and general, it makes the forum look a mess and unorganised.

Sticky: User Bars [additional information]
Sticky: BOTT Entries Open
Sticky: Important Updates/News
Sticky: Qualifying Servers/Precedure [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Rules [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Championship Points [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Website [additional information]
Sticky: Tribunal System [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Battle Of The Teams: Information [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Time Table [Series Rules & Race Details]
Sticky: Offical Sponsors [additional information]


Thats now 4 threads, Basically most of those threads are things that should be placed in the 'BOTT - Information' thread that already exists, the points system, qualifying system & timetable are all information about the rules, create a thread, lock it, and put concrete series information in there displayed in a manner thats clear and people will find it just fine.

Userbars, Website & Sponsors arent rules or important must read info, they're extra information that people might be interested in, but they dont really need to take up 3 rows.

Important updates/News is understandable, and the Entries thread i can understand, one is there to ensure everyone is informed of important changes, the other is/was there to sign up to the series. So for as long as these threads are valid/needed then they should be sticky. Really the 'important news' thread already helps keep the place tidy so you can make the announcements in there rather than a new sticky, so most things needing to be stickied probably could fit into this catagory anyway. About the only thread i can think of which i dont think we have which might be a good idea is a 'Standings' thread, but that could be found in updates (a bit odd) or the last rounds information. Otherwise i think those 4 (or 5) threads could cover pretty much all your important information.

If there are things that someone might need to contact you about regarding something in a locked sticky, they can PM you, or you can create an open thread and link to it, it'll bob about in the threads but if nobody needs to chat about it then it'd disappear pretty quickly but the important information about it stays at the top in the sticky and the public comments can always be found via the sticky's link.



The for the individual rounds, have a locked thread for your posting, a public thread for chit chat before, during & after, and a thread for confirming your teams participation etc.
The private one you post any info you want to people to know before the round (ie no cutting grass at corner X), the qualifying order for that round, the race results and the race & qual replays etc.
The public one you just leave people to yap away like women. The confirmation one being what it currently is.

Thats 4 sticky threads neatly organising the information for everyones convenience instead of it being scattered over 11 stickies, and 3 threads for each round. Thats 28 threads for a whole season, rather than the ~28 we've had for 3 races.
The problem with forums, and this one is a perfect example of it, is that people cant be arsed looking for information and will typically just ask anyway, theres no getting around that fact, but if you organise everything neatly and make it clear and presentable then those that will make an effort to look will find it.