Nah, I wouldn't. I'd bomb the crap out of Iran.
My job has been doing some work for Tulane University. It's in "Newalins" The place is still messed up a bit, not anywhere near what it's sensationalized. You can't really blame any one particular person for all the screw-ups. When all that gov't money showed up for rebuilding and whatnot, all kinds of palms got greased. It's one big corrupt mess there. If someone HAS to be blamed, then blame the polititians 20 years ago that took the federal money allocated to it then to upgrade the levee system and funneled into getting their brother-in-law's contracting firm mega buck contracts to - no not work on the levees - make nice roads and parking lots for the newly legalized casino industry. Hell, they trying to do that crap all over again as well.
Hank you work in the Red Cross, Would you be so willing to help someone that shoots at you? I know a church group that went to the Astrodome to help with the evacuees. they really were serious in their efforts to help, but most of those people were totally ungrateful. One woman I know simply asked one of the "victims" if they could put away a food tray when they were done using it. the "uppidy little*****" went off on her about how she was just telling him do that cause he was black and then others joined in. Apparently they thought the volunteers were supposed to follow them around and pick up after them. scared that poor old woman to half to death. And no these people aren't just a "few bad apples". they are the majority or close to it.
Another guy I know had a boss that was so concerned for these "people" he went up there to offer someone a job. well at first people bent over backwards to try and help. people were just throwing wads of cash to these people. No not FEMA money. Individuals that broke into their own piggy banks. Anyways he finds a young man and offers him a job. with out blinking an eye, the guy replied can your job pay me THIS mother *****? showing about $500... LOL like he was going to get 500 a week just standing around. A lotta people from New Orleans don't really have my sympathy at all. they've totally messed up every opportunity that was handed to them. Kenner Loiusiana, Houma, Louisiana Slidell and Places in Mississippi are all adjusting and rebuilding, Why is New Orleans different?
Oh did I mention the 25% spike in violent crime here in Houston?
You know, my wife was over in Melbourne or close to it when Katrina hit. The people she was staying with sort a tripped out when she seemed indifferent to what was going on.... then they saw the footage of the morons shooting at rescue copters.
I dunno you build a bowl in a swamp and limit the access to and from it, I really fail to see where anything or any one could've done any better as far as initial response goes. Factor in a bunch of people whining and waiting for someone else to come in and do all the work instead of at least trying to get most of it done by themselves... if those people would use all that energy they got waiving banners and trying to point fingers at people, they might get something done.
Now that that's out of the way... They really have been doing something down there. But as with all disasters - just not fast enough And New Orleans is alot more than just the 9th ward and the french quarter. More than a few neighborhoods are back up to pre-katrina standards. and not just the nice lily white subdivisions either. THere ARE actually people down there that gots their act together and are getting things done. They're just not very interesting to look at on TV.
Oh and at 4wheel: lighten up dude. Shoot, I don't think me and Sam agree on ANYTHING but how good the CTRA servers are for LFS.
and you don't see him threatening to ban me or me trying to "go over his head" because we get into arguments about crap we have no real control over anyways. just cause someone doesn't agree with you or maybe razzes you a little doesn't mean it's a personal attack.
More than a few forums start closing Off topic discussions because some people can't handle it. Me? I love it. It kills alot of stress and as Sam. said somewhere. you can learn things from others opinions that can help shape your own outlook on things.
Hank you work in the Red Cross, Would you be so willing to help someone that shoots at you? I know a church group that went to the Astrodome to help with the evacuees. they really were serious in their efforts to help, but most of those people were totally ungrateful. One woman I know simply asked one of the "victims" if they could put away a food tray when they were done using it. the "uppidy little*****" went off on her about how she was just telling him do that cause he was black and then others joined in. Apparently they thought the volunteers were supposed to follow them around and pick up after them. scared that poor old woman to half to death. And no these people aren't just a "few bad apples". they are the majority or close to it.
Another guy I know had a boss that was so concerned for these "people" he went up there to offer someone a job. well at first people bent over backwards to try and help. people were just throwing wads of cash to these people. No not FEMA money. Individuals that broke into their own piggy banks. Anyways he finds a young man and offers him a job. with out blinking an eye, the guy replied can your job pay me THIS mother *****? showing about $500... LOL like he was going to get 500 a week just standing around. A lotta people from New Orleans don't really have my sympathy at all. they've totally messed up every opportunity that was handed to them. Kenner Loiusiana, Houma, Louisiana Slidell and Places in Mississippi are all adjusting and rebuilding, Why is New Orleans different?
Oh did I mention the 25% spike in violent crime here in Houston?
You know, my wife was over in Melbourne or close to it when Katrina hit. The people she was staying with sort a tripped out when she seemed indifferent to what was going on.... then they saw the footage of the morons shooting at rescue copters.
I dunno you build a bowl in a swamp and limit the access to and from it, I really fail to see where anything or any one could've done any better as far as initial response goes. Factor in a bunch of people whining and waiting for someone else to come in and do all the work instead of at least trying to get most of it done by themselves... if those people would use all that energy they got waiving banners and trying to point fingers at people, they might get something done.
Now that that's out of the way... They really have been doing something down there. But as with all disasters - just not fast enough And New Orleans is alot more than just the 9th ward and the french quarter. More than a few neighborhoods are back up to pre-katrina standards. and not just the nice lily white subdivisions either. THere ARE actually people down there that gots their act together and are getting things done. They're just not very interesting to look at on TV.
Oh and at 4wheel: lighten up dude. Shoot, I don't think me and Sam agree on ANYTHING but how good the CTRA servers are for LFS.
and you don't see him threatening to ban me or me trying to "go over his head" because we get into arguments about crap we have no real control over anyways. just cause someone doesn't agree with you or maybe razzes you a little doesn't mean it's a personal attack.
More than a few forums start closing Off topic discussions because some people can't handle it. Me? I love it. It kills alot of stress and as Sam. said somewhere. you can learn things from others opinions that can help shape your own outlook on things.
Aaaaaahahahahahaa...see, I, unlike you, live in the United States. I also do not have a selective memory, and I, unlike you, remember hurricane Andrew.
Funny, that two years after it, the areas were for the most part rebuilt, the residents moved back in. Why oh why, has this not happened in NOLA? Well, lets get down to it:
Firstly, the city and the state are run by crooks. Period. It has been that way in Louisiana for decades, and in New Orleans for centuries. Accept it, swallow this fact and deal with it. Let's move on.
Secondly, the federal government has no role in individual state concerns, they can help but only when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
when asked by the governor of that particular state.
Have I made my point clear? The hurricane hit on Sunday. By Thursday, National Guard units were in the city. That in itself is amazing, as no government entity should by all practical means move that fast. A national guard unit from, let's say, Arkansas cannot cross into Louisiana without permission of that governor. And what did she do? Waited. And waited. And waited....
All blame lies with the Mayor and the governor, and the administration of the governor. Period! And the federal government has been giving heaps of money to this city way before this happened...who do you blame now?
Thirdly, the residents just don't give a shit. and even made worse after three decades of state run slavery, er...I mean welfare. And there you have it: three decades of corrupt socialism, and you saw the end result. Three decades of dependence on the government This would not of happened in 1969, when NOLA was underwater for weeks, or in 1930, when people lived for months on the levees with their livestock. Think I am making that up? When Led Zeppelin ripped off Robert Johnson's "when the levee breaks" you think he was talking about something else?
Have you also forgotten that the state of Mississippi was hit far worse than Louisiana? Yet, the media just ignores them. Why? Because instead of whining, they got on with rebuilding their lives and property.
No wonder I avoid this section of the forum now...I have never met such sanctimonious computer chair analysts as you lot. Boy, are Americans dumb! Thank goodness I can be preached to by someone whom has never once set foot on our soil. May I now lick your boots? How about I instead pick apart everything in your country? I can find plenty, and every country has their skeletons in the closet, too.
I swear Hankstar, you swallow every liberal, socialist piece of tripe you can find, and spew it all over this section. You are as bad as the conservatives in my country actually believing everything Rush Limbaugh, Shawn Hannity or Ann Coulter says. You are no different, just another political lemming without an opinion except what is fed to them.
Maybe you should edit that again, you could've thrown in a few more generalisations before you called me a sanctimonious lemming. My first post, by the way, wasn't a condemnation or an attack. I merely posted a link after reading an article I found disturbing and awaited responses. Then I responded to some of them with my thoughts - which aren't just based on this one article, as I've been keeping up with Katrina news since it happened - all without managing to abuse anyone. Racer Y disagreed with me on a few things but at least he had the class to leave that personal shit out of his response and stick to the topic.
I read guys like Palast (and John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Paul Craig Roberts and others - doesn't seem like you actually have read Palast's work, rather just dismissed him as yet another lefty conspiracy theorist without analysing his work at all, just like those idiots Rush or Ann would do) because he goes to the places he writes about himself, talks to the people that are there and gets his info first hand. He doesn't just regurgitate Whitehouse/GOP talking points like O'Reilly and Hannity. He doesn't get FOX-sized funding or a Hannity-sized paycheque so this sure isn't about making money for him. Regular news (and it's getting like this around the world, not just the states) is becoming more and more slack, slipshod and half-arsed when it comes to covering just about everything, so I look elsewhere. I don't just bilndly swallow what I read, I think about it and if it makes sense to me I share it. Lumping a guy like Palast in with those ridiculous self-caricaturing Bushite cheerleaders you listed is about as far from the mark as you can get. It seems that in the US, anyone who doesn't belong to a major news outlet isn't considered to have a damn thing to say that's true, meaningful or relevant and is instantly dismissed as lefty nutjob.
Living in the states doesn't necessarily mean you have a better grasp of what's going on either. It may mean the opposite in some cases. Distance from a situation can give a person a great deal of perspective.
I read guys like Palast (and John Pilger, Robert Fisk, Paul Craig Roberts and others - doesn't seem like you actually have read Palast's work, rather just dismissed him as yet another lefty conspiracy theorist without analysing his work at all, just like those idiots Rush or Ann would do) because he goes to the places he writes about himself, talks to the people that are there and gets his info first hand. He doesn't just regurgitate Whitehouse/GOP talking points like O'Reilly and Hannity. He doesn't get FOX-sized funding or a Hannity-sized paycheque so this sure isn't about making money for him. Regular news (and it's getting like this around the world, not just the states) is becoming more and more slack, slipshod and half-arsed when it comes to covering just about everything, so I look elsewhere. I don't just bilndly swallow what I read, I think about it and if it makes sense to me I share it. Lumping a guy like Palast in with those ridiculous self-caricaturing Bushite cheerleaders you listed is about as far from the mark as you can get. It seems that in the US, anyone who doesn't belong to a major news outlet isn't considered to have a damn thing to say that's true, meaningful or relevant and is instantly dismissed as lefty nutjob.
Living in the states doesn't necessarily mean you have a better grasp of what's going on either. It may mean the opposite in some cases. Distance from a situation can give a person a great deal of perspective.
People haffto be leftists to hate you? I have no idea what left wing or right wing means (unless it relates to hockey), and I still hate you. Your point sucks.
I'm personally surprised it took them that long.
wheel4hummer, RacerY, and Jayhawk hit it on the head.
the governor is the one that calls evacuations for their own State. Considering that parts of the City are more than 20 feet below sea level and sinking daily I too am suprised how few people died. At first there was soo many people helping. I know that in Wisconsin I had several friends go down there for the first year to help rebuild. The vast majority of them don't want help and were offended that some white people were helping them out.
The City was built on a sandbar, it shouldn't have been there. Every year the whole city is sinking into the Gulf by a couple inches, every year going down faster and faster with larger and larger buildings being built.
the governor is the one that calls evacuations for their own State. Considering that parts of the City are more than 20 feet below sea level and sinking daily I too am suprised how few people died. At first there was soo many people helping. I know that in Wisconsin I had several friends go down there for the first year to help rebuild. The vast majority of them don't want help and were offended that some white people were helping them out.
The City was built on a sandbar, it shouldn't have been there. Every year the whole city is sinking into the Gulf by a couple inches, every year going down faster and faster with larger and larger buildings being built.
Despite being a tad racist and totally unPC, this video kinda rings true (and funny imo if you've had any personal experience):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtzgq1PLxo
There's something about the underlying macho culture that makes the whole thing - receiving/appreciating aid and thinking straight - go south.
And to set it straight - it's not just "blacks" or "whites" or "black culture" or "white culture". In my country we have this sort of situations, mainly, due to our pseudosocialist system, it makes people not think and act for their own even know they KNOW the system is crap. If it was a true socialist system then it would indeed take care of it's citizens, but that's just a utopia.
For example, and this is in my country - not NO or US or whatever specific - if there's a gutter infront of their house that's blocked up they won't clean it up - the minute it rains and the water is flooding into their houses they'll scream and shout on TV and wail about the government abandoning them. If there's shrubs and dry grass a-plenty around their village they won't cut it themselves, but if there's a fire and their houses get burned down it's the government and the firepolice who'll get the blame. All because that's the way they've been left to think - note "left" - it's like they can't see through the bullshit promises that the State will do everything.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTtzgq1PLxo
There's something about the underlying macho culture that makes the whole thing - receiving/appreciating aid and thinking straight - go south.
And to set it straight - it's not just "blacks" or "whites" or "black culture" or "white culture". In my country we have this sort of situations, mainly, due to our pseudosocialist system, it makes people not think and act for their own even know they KNOW the system is crap. If it was a true socialist system then it would indeed take care of it's citizens, but that's just a utopia.
For example, and this is in my country - not NO or US or whatever specific - if there's a gutter infront of their house that's blocked up they won't clean it up - the minute it rains and the water is flooding into their houses they'll scream and shout on TV and wail about the government abandoning them. If there's shrubs and dry grass a-plenty around their village they won't cut it themselves, but if there's a fire and their houses get burned down it's the government and the firepolice who'll get the blame. All because that's the way they've been left to think - note "left" - it's like they can't see through the bullshit promises that the State will do everything.
So it's all good and well for America to go off and do stuff like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzFwmJDbrk
While (some of) its own people live in suffering and misery? Bush probably had nothing to do with that decision either, right?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkzFwmJDbrk
While (some of) its own people live in suffering and misery? Bush probably had nothing to do with that decision either, right?
LOL thats a link to a satire show.
Yeah? Am I wrong to assume that America is actually doing all these things that the show claims it is doing? That's what matters here.
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IMO, Jon Stewart, despite being a saririst, at times is a way better journalist than a lot of the so-called serious journalists. His interview on CNN's "Crossfire" was brilliant.
I just don't think Jon Stewart is funny. I don't think American "satire" works well for UK audiences.
Well, from a sort-of-neutral point of view (not being of anglosaxonic or germanic descent or living in a US or UK culture) I'd say he's generally quite funny. Not sure I know of any contemporary british TV satirist to compare him to though... Care to share?
Whel its not any good for the americans but im not woried about it.
Simply becaus i cant do anthing
Simply becaus i cant do anthing
Well, I suppose it only takes one person to raise the bar enough to make everybody else look inadequate. And that man is Chris Morris.
I think The Daily Show was originally an American take on The Day Today - one of Morris' shows - but the format has changed a lot since then. "Brass Eye" was probably Morris' best work - a spoof current affairs programme he did for Channel 4.
If you can find it, you should watch the Brass Eye paedophilia special from 2001. The programme was an attack on the sensationalist British tabloid press, and their readership, and the sycophantic politicians who try to leverage such outrages - none of whom got the joke at all and sent a record number of complaints to the Independent Television Commission.
That show was just so bloody clever - every single complaint and indignant editorial response to it only served to further justify the programme's topic! And of course provided the great irony over the following days that the complainants still didn't realise what the programme was actually about.
That is slick satire!
You can get it on http://www.tv-links.co.uk
I wont post the direct link as it 18+ but if anyone wants it PM me
It's not hard to find on the site anyway
P.S. Chris Morris is a genius!!
It's a satire, they take facts and twist them around to make them funny. Not even 1/2 those things are close, and the other half are in space. It's a comedy show, don't make it into a news broadcast because of his background.
I could cut and paste anything to make it sound like something it's not, which is one thing a satire does. They omit critical bits of the puzzle to make the story sound so crazy that it makes it funny.
OK - thanks, I'll check it out.
Is America not busy "saving the Middle East" while it hasn't actually helped its own people, the victims of hurricane Katrina?
Sorry, still not seeing it. Billions are being spent and there are people from across the states down there rebuilding. Would love to see you try to rebuild a whole city in two years when everything was under twenty feet of stagnant, disease, crocodile infested waters. If you think they need so much help I am sure they could use another person to add to the millions already down there helping rebuild, albeit a bit farther away from that swamp, sinking every year.
Hmm guess I'll have to try harder next time
By the way did I tell you the bike has a jet kit the engine bored out and it sets off car alarms when I blaze by? Man, that is so cool.
I'll get me a bonnie one of these days, but I think I'll get a REAL one. a 650 with a kick start and leaking oil as opposed to the new ones
Oh and those gang bangers behind me with the damn 3 zillion watt stereo blaring Hip Hop and Screw? Ha ha ha payback's a bitch
are you trying to kill me ? im not even 4 minutes in and already im suffocating from laughting too hard
thats what happens when your gorvernment has a bunch of oil tycoons in control... 
I'm sorry all I really wanna talk about is my new bike, but I'll try to stay on topic. In my parents' neighborhood, I saw a car parked in a driveway shortly after Katrina hit. It was a New Orleans police car.
I wonder if he got fired for that?
Also, my son had a friend (girlfriend?) that was in the process of moving here from New Orleans when the hurricane struck. They lost everything and was piled up in an apartment trying to get enough $$ to rent a house they now needed. Oprah bought her family a brand new house. A nice one at that.
A funny thing about how that city is being rebuilt. a whole slew of immigrant labor, both legal and Illegal is over there doing all sorts of jobs from carpentry to catering trucks (we call them taco trucks here). the locals are not too comfortable with this the city council has made totally stupid ordinances against the taco trucks and the workers are routinely harassed. I think they are doing this to the laborers so that when the work's done, they won't stick around. Again, they use up all that energy for that kinda crap, yet they don't lift a finger to do any of it themselves and then they give the people that are doing something a hard time.
And another thing, How come they have National Guard units deployed there with orders to shoot to kill any threats, yet the Guards on the Rio Grande (Texas/Mexico border) aren't even allowed to have loaded weapons? Wait a minute we just had three guards busted as part of an alien smuggling ring... Why are they there again?
Oh well I don't care. I got this really bad assed bike.......
I wonder if he got fired for that?
Also, my son had a friend (girlfriend?) that was in the process of moving here from New Orleans when the hurricane struck. They lost everything and was piled up in an apartment trying to get enough $$ to rent a house they now needed. Oprah bought her family a brand new house. A nice one at that.
A funny thing about how that city is being rebuilt. a whole slew of immigrant labor, both legal and Illegal is over there doing all sorts of jobs from carpentry to catering trucks (we call them taco trucks here). the locals are not too comfortable with this the city council has made totally stupid ordinances against the taco trucks and the workers are routinely harassed. I think they are doing this to the laborers so that when the work's done, they won't stick around. Again, they use up all that energy for that kinda crap, yet they don't lift a finger to do any of it themselves and then they give the people that are doing something a hard time.
And another thing, How come they have National Guard units deployed there with orders to shoot to kill any threats, yet the Guards on the Rio Grande (Texas/Mexico border) aren't even allowed to have loaded weapons? Wait a minute we just had three guards busted as part of an alien smuggling ring... Why are they there again?
Oh well I don't care. I got this really bad assed bike.......
New Orleans two years on
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