Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

Half the time I hit the wrong bind anyway "Smash... Hi there!"

I hit my "hello there!" bind when I get tapped in back or on the side. Most people think its funny, and hey, when there are alot of people in a corner and you get a love tap that really does nothing, why get angry over it?

I do also have "SORRY ABOUT THAT" binded to one of my buttons. I am mindful though is if someone gets spun out because I hit them, I let them get up and moving and back into their position in front of me.

Ever notice once in a great while, you pass someone, cleanly and all, and they get infuriated and ram you? And then they use the "sorry" bind. Ohyeahright. Nice try on covering up your adolesent anger.

I have "sorry" on bind for the same reason I don't talk on my cell phone in the car if I can help it--it's dangerous to take your hands off the wheel. I've tried it, and I always cause accidents if I try to type in a race, unless I pull clear off the track and come to a dead stop. And then, of course, my own race is ruined.

When I use my bound "sorry" it's usually because of a mild bump or something similar. If it caused me to pass them, I'll blue flag myself and let the guy pass me--but I don't feel the need to talk about it, bumps happen in racing and I think acknowledging that something happened and then letting them pass me says all that needs to be said.

If it's a serious accident, chances are I've ended up off the track anyway, and then I will take the time to type a real message.

I agree on the sincerity point too, but I personally don't care wether someone types it, or uses a bind.

I use a bind, which says "sorry, my bad!" and is used for the small incidents during a fight, like when I bump into someone slightly, but which does not cause someone to go off track.

As said before, that's just to show I am not deliberatly racing aggressive, but just had a small error in judgement there.

If I should cause a crash which forces someone off track, then chances are I am off too, or at least damaged so that my race is over really.

Then I would take the time to type a detailed apology.

But that would also mean I have to take the kb from besides me, and put it on my lap, and then type, as in my wheel setup, there's no room for the kb, so I have it lying sideways on my left (which is why binds are the only way to type when racing at speed)

Overall, I am sincere every time I use the bind and if the other person thinks I am not, well.. that's too bad then..

i dont have sorry binded to a key either

It's mapped here. I don't use it very often, because I don't often get in accidents. Strange but true. When I do cause an accident, I'm obliged to say sorry immediately. It's courteous, and I expect the same courtesy in return. Moreover, to cause an accident and NOT apologise immediately is dreadfully discourteous, and that's just not acceptable behaviour. Map that key, and make an effort to not HAVE to use it.

Incidentally, for anyone that thinks rubbing is racing, I have to disagree most emphatically. If you think that exchanging paintwork with other cars is part of the racing package, you're really really wrong.

I frequently see exceptional drivers who can race all day, door to door or nose to tail, and never touch more than the occasional uneventful glance. If you can't do it, you're not exceptional. But if you can't race that close without touching, you're racing beyond your capabilities if you try.

[edit] and the BTCC is a filthy place to race. I think that's generally accepted, specifically BECAUSE rubbing is not racing.

Quote from SamH :

Incidentally, for anyone that thinks rubbing is racing, I have to disagree most emphatically. If you think that exchanging paintwork with other cars is part of the racing package, you're really really wrong.

I frequently see exceptional drivers who can race all day, door to door or nose to tail, and never touch more than the occasional uneventful glance. If you can't do it, you're not exceptional. But if you can't race that close without touching, you're racing beyond your capabilities if you try.

I agree with that, trouble is, most all RL racing drivers are better than the average Joe playing LFS, so you could be very good at not touching someone whilst racing very close, the other guy has to be on the line and consistent too.

I often see guys go off their lines 3 or 4 times, back and forth, left and right, just to keep me behind them. I don't know bout other forms of racing, but for instance in F1 they can only leave their line in defence once.

So I often think "why the heck did he do that??" when I try to overtake someone and he makes a weird move that makes us brush up against each other.

I also get overtaken a lot "NFS" style.. I mean, they plant themselves into your side and use you as a sort of moving guard rail.
Or they just rub and bump during fights, thinking this is how racing works.

Then when I say something about it, they would go "this is how it works, I see that in DTM all the time" or something..

I have 'oops, sorry!' mapped to F5. I will only say sorry if I'm sure I caused someone to leave the track due to MY bad judgement. If someone hits me and ruins my race, for example , braking in front of me on a straight, then they get F6, which is 'You Sir, are a retard!'. So if you ever see that, I'm at the side of the track in a smashed up bean can of a XFG, while some prat has nicked 1st off me again...

Quote from SamH :

Incidentally, for anyone that thinks rubbing is racing, I have to disagree most emphatically. If you think that exchanging paintwork with other cars is part of the racing package, you're really really wrong.

Yeah, I agree with you, which is why I added that it's not the way I like to race, but at the same time I think its pointless to feel obliged to apologise for every minor scrape. I don't think that's courtesy in operation, but just a mark of how insecure the 'wrecking' mentality has made this community feel.

I understand and aspire to your description of an exceptional racer, but as new blood here, I am unaffected by the notion that there is probably a degree of intention behind every moment of contact. Its very simple for me: if someone hits me once, I'll assume its a racing incident; if they do it every race, then they should be banned. I don't see the point of exchanging platitudes.

BTW - regarding driver animations - does the driver's head move, when the player looks right or left? I've not noticed yet, but its a simple animation that would confirm whether someone had seen you, or had made the attempt at least, if you did pick up on it.

Yup, driver's head moves.

Quote from TiJay :

Yup, driver's head moves.

It's funny if you do a quick look to the side and you see the other driver looking at you...







... and then you both crash

Quote from thisnameistaken :

due to their naturally competitive natures they can end up locked in a staring competition.

LOL - OK, that image just gave me away - I spluttered and now everyone in the office knows I'm not actually working....

I've done the staring competition thing too! Very amusing, especially in the cars which require very little braking for T3 - who can hold the stare longest, even after the 100m board!

Im glad someone metioned the stare outs on the BL straight, I thought it was just me! So much fun

I think I am probably guilty of overuse of my sorry bind. Its because I am normally a pretty nervous racer, my instinct at any nudge is to hit that bind to avoid any potential offence, overly paranoid. Its wrong and I know it, I sometimes find myself thinking, "what am I apologising for? That wasnt my fault." Its never insincere, I genuinely regret any incidents, and its never to justify rough driving. But I will try to stop over using it.

Quote from mantis9 :

Its never insincere, I genuinely regret any incidents, and its never to justify rough driving. But I will try to stop over using it.

Looks to me as though you're apologizing for apologizing too much.

I think you should not be so hard on yourself.

I have a Sorry, that was my fault text mapped to my F7 key. F6 is Watch out
I rarely use the F6 one, but once in a while when I feel someone really was faulty, I'll use it. The other key is used more often. Like the time where I crashed the whole lot on STCC. But we had to admit it was amazing in the replay I mostly end my own race when I crash someone, I'll just pull over or something. But when I feel he should have let me pass a long time ago (consistent faster than him, trying overtake but keep getting blocked while I was clearly faster out), I won't say sorry if I tap him and he spins.

I know that doesn't sound like good sportmanship, but when you know you're faster, and I will be there for several laps, when the last laps are in sight, I won't be remorseful for spinning someone out.

Quote from sgt.flippy :

I know that doesn't sound like good sportmanship, but when you know you're faster, and I will be there for several laps, when the last laps are in sight, I won't be remorseful for spinning someone out.

I'll be perfectly honest, if I ever saw you take someone out deliberately to gain a place, you'd be banned on the spot. My definition of a wrecker is exactly what you're describing That kind of behaviour is exactly the kind of behaviour that I won't tolerate on a server that I administrate on.. wilfully manipulating the outcome of a race by means other than fair racing.

[edit] Do you mean you won't regret it if it happens by accident, or that you'd do it deliberately? It sounds like you'd be quite willing to allow it to happen, by "accident".

I bet there's going to be a lot less flippant sorries once the radiator damage is implemented "Tap..." - "Sorry...." - "AHH crap, temperature skyrocketing... "

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

I bet there's going to be a lot less flippant sorries once the radiator damage is implemented "Tap..." - "Sorry...." - "AHH crap, temperature skyrocketing... "

OMG yeah! LOL!!!

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

I bet there's going to be a lot less flippant sorries once the radiator damage is implemented "Tap..." - "Sorry...." - "AHH crap, temperature skyrocketing... "

And, if its more then a tap..... "AHH crap, I can't see!..."

Quote from SamH :

I'll be perfectly honest, if I ever saw you take someone out deliberately to gain a place, you'd be banned on the spot. My definition of a wrecker is exactly what you're describing That kind of behaviour is exactly the kind of behaviour that I won't tolerate on a server that I administrate on.. wilfully manipulating the outcome of a race by means other than fair racing.

I agree 100%. That is just plain wrecking.

Quote from SamH :

[edit] Do you mean you won't regret it if it happens by accident, or that you'd do it deliberately? It sounds like you'd be quite willing to allow it to happen, by "accident".

That's what I'm thinking he really does

Quote from sgt.flippy :

when I feel he should have let me pass a long time ago (consistent faster than him, trying overtake but keep getting blocked while I was clearly faster out), I won't say sorry if I tap him and he spins.

I know that doesn't sound like good sportmanship, but when you know you're faster, and I will be there for several laps, when the last laps are in sight, I won't be remorseful for spinning someone out.

Your just covered in weaksauce arn't ya?illepall

weaksauce? ROFL...

WTH is that? LOL

Quote from Ball Bearing Turbo :

weaksauce? ROFL...

WTH is that? LOL

Urban dictionary defines it as;

Weaksauce: the manner of being weak by nature of virtue and character /An action or materialistic object that is poorly done or unexceptional


eg. My friend Ronen Price is weak sauce and has a fat girlfriend

i agree with you gimpster. I actually have binded "sorry" to f5 but when i use it, i wait for the one who was the victim of my mistake to pass me. i will him/her then and try to make a clean pass myself. if there was a little misunderstanding or a situation where i don't know if i have done something wrong, i have a word with the other one _after_ the race.