I have seen complaints that the FF in LFS is too weak and that people need FF at 30% etc to feel like their car and then it does not feel right. Normally I drive with 100% in LFS and the CP, but then I normally drive an old very manual everything car with no power steering.

Recently I have been driving a more modern car that has powersteering and see the problem as power steering tends to mask a lot BUT the wheel can still kick with some force if the conditions are right.

So what if power steering was implemented this way in LFS. You set you FF high but then set the amount of power steering you want. This means the wheel still has the huge headroom to apply big forces when needed but the power steering keeps the wheel light like it feels in cars with power steering.


BUT, there should be an option to turn off power steering for those of us that hate it for the way it does not let you feel the road properly

I hate power-steering. Especially the early stages of power-steering ... it's just incredibly bad, you don't feel anything from the road.
So if there was such an option (though I don't why) I personally would have it set to zero

Anyone has done, or read, any research on powersteering that does not isolate the feeling of the road?

The trouble is, to have the forces realisitic (for non-power steering anyway), you'd need them set at 250% with the Momo, but anything above 50% feels horrid just because the wheel is pants.

IIRC F1 cars are allowed to have hydraulic-based power steering and I believe that their drivers feel the road(or can you imagine Schumacher in Monaco GP without any feel?.....).

AFAIK there are two main ways how to do a power steering. 1st one, hydraulic PS that just multiplies forces applied on steering wheel and front wheels of the car. My friend has off-road Nissan Patrol and he says that every larger bump almost breaks his arms when holding the wheel.
Second way is an electric power steering which just multiplies force applied on steering wheel - thats why you cannot feel the road. Electic servo cuts it out...

I MIGHT be(and probably am) wrong about this.. i have never studied power steering more seriously.... so any corrections are appreicated

And in the end, I would like to have some power steering simulation in LFS, coulb be interesting to drive GTi with P-Steering

I think many have mis-read my post and not got what I am trying to get across here, attempt 2.

The point I am trying to make is that you see people on the forum say the feeling is wrong on the FF in LFS and if they turn up the FF it does not feel like their car. If their car has PS you can see why. It means there is less resistance on the wheel BUT that the wheel can still kick up some serious forces when the car is out of shape.

In LFS we have a FF setting which is the max level of the FF. The idea is to allow the FF setting to be higher so the max force available to the wheel it big but have PS simulated to give lighter feel like you get in road car.

The PS used in F1 cars and the like will not be anything like you see in a road car in the same way the flappy gear change in F1 cars is not like the ones in road cars that go through slush boxes.

For the record, on the whole I hate PS or the PS that goes into most road cars to be more specific. It does hide the feel of the car and road. The BWM Mini PS was good because it tailed off very quickly as speed increased so you still got the feel needed through it but I would have liked to try one without PS to feel the difference.

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I think many have mis-read my post and not got what I am trying to get across here, attempt 2.

The point I am trying to make is that you see people on the forum say the feeling is wrong on the FF in LFS and if they turn up the FF it does not feel like their car. If their car has PS you can see why. It means there is less resistance on the wheel BUT that the wheel can still kick up some serious forces when the car is out of shape.

In LFS we have a FF setting which is the max level of the FF. The idea is to allow the FF setting to be higher so the max force available to the wheel it big but have PS simulated to give lighter feel like you get in road car.

The PS used in F1 cars and the like will not be anything like you see in a road car in the same way the flappy gear change in F1 cars is not like the ones in road cars that go through slush boxes.

For the record, on the whole I hate PS or the PS that goes into most road cars to be more specific. It does hide the feel of the car and road. The BWM Mini PS was good because it tailed off very quickly as speed increased so you still got the feel needed through it but I would have liked to try one without PS to feel the difference.

Having driven many different types of cars with PS there are so many variances its hard to compare anything in RL to FF in LFS.

Some cars have a variable ps that is a stronger ps at very low (parking speeds) where the ps is really needed and this evens out at high speeds where the same movement and turn ratio would have you weaving uncontrollably across the road

Other power steering is pretty much a fixed ratio and is a medium feel at all speeds just enough to assist at parking speeds but not enough to be to quick at highway speeds.

I also know that many cars from the sixties etc with no PS had much larger diameter steering wheels this allowed a lighter feel to the turn etc.

Try a non ps car with a small sports wheel and you'll get what i mean.

I'm using a Momo Racing force and I have ff at at 55 and I use the centering spring section in the profiler to give me some "hardness or stiffness" recoil for want of a better word and find it's a better effect than having it off and having ff way to high

ShannonN

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Try a non ps car with a small sports wheel and you'll get what i mean.
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I have one of those (32cm diameter) and have to say, I don't have any problems with parking. Okay, I have to admit it's a light car (~800kg) and therefore has only relativily small tyres (175mm) - but as soon as wheels are moving, it feels much better than with powersteering.

I have to have my FF set quite low because i'm a wimp, but I actually think the feedback is reasonably realistic. Then again i'm not comparing my LFS experience to a road car with sloppy suspension and comfy seats.

What I really want is a force feedback seet, but I can't afford one :/ !