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anyone a mechanic? (thermostat issues)
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Quote from danthebangerboy :I have just noticed that the OP said its between minus 10 and minus 15 degrees where he is, there isn't a chance that the water has frozen is there??

isn't that what antifreeze is for?
Thats true bunder, but if your mum is as forgetful as i am then it's fully possible. Although with the winter being so cold compared to over here in the UK, i guess everyone would use antifreeze all the time anyway.
You should use it in all climates - antifreeze also has various corrosion inhibitors in it, which obviously reduce the corrosion in the engine and radiator, and stop the cooling systems becoming clogged with the sludge it would generate. Plus it changes (quite significantly) the specific heat of the liquid so it can work more effectively, plus thins the surface tension (meniscus) which aids heat transfer. The latter is also how Water Wetter works, but I've not yet tried it.
Quote from Ian.H :I beg to differ. That would actually be the job of the fan



Regards,

Ian

Yes, in slow speed/stationary. A fan should not come on during normal running with a steady flow of air through the radiator.

Disconnect a fan on a modern engine and so long as you're moving (say, steady 60mph on an A-road or motorway or something), it'd be fine. Stop for more than 5 or 10 minutes and it'd overheat.
I know, i have had a few leaky cars in the past though and a quick topup with just water is all i used to do (damn vauxhall waterpumps!) on a few occasions winter has arrived and i suddenly think, oh shit, that must be nearly plain water by now. I have never frozen an engine up though, although my mate did.

We had 5 reliant robins ready to be raced and we asked one of the lads to drain the water out of them as it was gonna be really cold and we werent racing for a few weeks. The day of the race meeting came and my mate went to connect the hoses back up and refill the cars with water.

The lad who had 'drained' the water... Had removed the top hose off each engine :banghead:
Two were fine, two we managed to knock the core plugs back in, one had cracked the block and was f--ked.

That is the only engine change we have ever done in 10 minutes, and in complete silence!
Quote from S14 DRIFT :Yes, in slow speed/stationary. A fan should not come on during normal running with a steady flow of air through the radiator.

Disconnect a fan on a modern engine and so long as you're moving (say, steady 60mph on an A-road or motorway or something), it'd be fine. Stop for more than 5 or 10 minutes and it'd overheat.

The fan in my car is on permanently

Fair points regarding fans though by you and DTBB. Sometimes I forget about electric fans being thermostat controlled. Has been a while since I owned / worked on a motor with them



Regards,

Ian
Quote from S14 DRIFT :Yes, in slow speed/stationary. A fan should not come on during normal running with a steady flow of air through the radiator.

Disconnect a fan on a modern engine and so long as you're moving (say, steady 60mph on an A-road or motorway or something), it'd be fine. Stop for more than 5 or 10 minutes and it'd overheat.

The fan will come on if the engine hits a certain temp if you're moving or not. Has nothing to do with speed. I've had 220F water temps blasting up a pass at 85mph.
I meant as a general rule of thumb, the moving was just to emphaise a good strong flow of air and a not overly large load on the engine (obviously pulling a caravan up a hill or going for it up a mountain road is a load )
The old nova i had, which was running a 1600cc engine on a 1000cc gearbox was very quick and i used to do 1/4 mile drags in it. Needless to say i had the fan wired to a switch, as 2 or 3 runs and she was cookin!
Quote from robt :got it for £750 2 years ago. 60,000miles, garaged doing nothing for 10 years
I know of a few capris under 1K for sale. or your budget even less? and a mk5 corty shouldnt be too hard to get

buy them for 750 Euro... running at least with some patchy rust, nothing a angle grinder and a mig welder doesnt fix...


the fools here want upwards for 3k for a clean one...


when they do about 200-300 quids worth of work...


beel-ends everywhere i tells ya

but im actually on the hunt for a mk1 fezzy for non silly money


well i have the last 4 years
Quote from Ian.H :I beg to differ. That would actually be the job of the fan



Regards,

Ian

How much heat does the fan dissipate from the cooling system? Approximately none. The fan merely aids to keep air flowing over the radiator when the car isn't moving through the air. A lot of race cars don't have fans, yet they only overheat when they are stationary (generally).

So no, the fan doesn't do any cooling. It assists, in certain conditions, the radiator to cool.
FTR, my mom ended up spending $70 bucks and the entire day yesterday to get it replaced...

here's the kicker, it turns out they put some adhesive onto the flange that holds the thermostat to the block, but they put it on wrong at first, so they had to wait for someone to get them a new one... if it was me, i'd probably just have put a bead of silicone on it and said meh.

hasn't overheated since, and all appears to be good, so luckily it was the thermostat and not a clog.
#38 - robt
Quote from theirishnoob :buy them for 750 Euro... running at least with some patchy rust, nothing a angle grinder and a mig welder doesnt fix...


the fools here want upwards for 3k for a clean one...


when they do about 200-300 quids worth of work...


beel-ends everywhere i tells ya

but im actually on the hunt for a mk1 fezzy for non silly money


well i have the last 4 years

mine was 750 with no rust (though it has some now, damn sea air!) and the prices of capris are stil cheaper then mk1 n mk2 escorts! Have to pay £2K for a rotten escort chassis nowdays!
Tell me about it, mk2 prices have rocketed, especially if you want an earlier 2 door with the round headlights (i hate the square lighted ones) And if you want a mk1 you may as well give up unless you have like 3 grand to spend.

My mate picked up an early, but rotten mk2 last year for £50. It had been in a shed for 12 years and as he only wanted the 1600 crossflow and the gearbox out of it he bought it.

He then didn't tell me he had it and tried to get the shell weighed in before i got round there the next day because he knew that despite the fact it was totally rotted out and far too bad to be repairable, i would want it anyway.

He then put the hiab down on it and folded the roof in just to spite me, the git!
Quote from bunder9999 :FTR, my mom ended up spending $70 bucks and the entire day yesterday to get it replaced...

here's the kicker, it turns out they put some adhesive onto the flange that holds the thermostat to the block, but they put it on wrong at first, so they had to wait for someone to get them a new one... if it was me, i'd probably just have put a bead of silicone on it and said meh.

hasn't overheated since, and all appears to be good, so luckily it was the thermostat and not a clog.

figured i'd post an update, not that it matters or anything...

the car's been doing good, right up until last week... i guess it started overheating again...

and then the bad news... it's the head gasket... we can see oil in the radiator reservoir. good news is, she's getting a like-new caravan tomorrow or tuesday.

the heater-on-trick has worked good in the meantime, but it's only gotten really hot once. luckily the exhaust doesn't smell nasty, so i don't think it's getting into the cylinders.

it still idles funny though, and i don't think it ever idled properly since the timing gear / camshaft issues... if that means anything other than the guy fudged the timing slightly, i dunno.
You may wanna replace that head gasket before you need to replace the engine. The car could pretty much be fixed over a weekend.
Quote from wheel4hummer :You may wanna replace that head gasket before you need to replace the engine. The car could pretty much be fixed over a weekend.

she's getting a caravan in less than two days... i don't think it's going to be a problem.
Quote from robt :mine was 750 with no rust (though it has some now, damn sea air!) and the prices of capris are stil cheaper then mk1 n mk2 escorts! Have to pay £2K for a rotten escort chassis nowdays!

dont forget the amount of " restored " ford going around...


a mkII fully of filler and super lights isnt restored... its a waste


or even worse ( or better ) MkIII turbos with later model turbo lumps...


i dunno about you but extra power is nice but keeping it original is what its all about
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anyone a mechanic? (thermostat issues)
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