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wsinda
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Quote from george_tsiros :great results i see there. did you notice that it says 'extended' real line? as in, "stuff you can do, theoreticaly, about quantities that can not be measured" ? you can add stuff up. countable stuff. you can't count to infinity. you can't do arithmetic with infinity. and by 'arithmetic' we mean "add quantities up and come up with real results".

You can add inifinity to the set of real numbers, and then define addition and multiplication operations on it. With this extended set you'll still be able to do calculations and come up with consistent results. Consistent means "not leading to internal contradictions". It may not be consistent with your intuitive concept of numbers, but it still works.

Note that, according to Cantor's diagonal argument, you can't even count from 0 to 1 in the real numbers.

Also note that the real numbers are not real in the sense that they represent our physical reality. Nature is essentially quantified, whereas set R has infinite detail. But you can still use R to do useful calculations. Likewise, you can calculate with imaginary numbers, and get results that match real-world phenomena.
Quote :it says "These new elements (+/-inf) are not real numbers"

... meaning that they are not in set R.
Quote from Becky Rose :Are you sure, that would imply negative infiinity equals 0.

No, because 10^0 equals 1, not zero.
wsinda
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Quote from george_tsiros :for those who are toying with the concept of infinity (it is not a number, you can't do arithmetic with it)

Yes, you can.
Quote from Woz :0.9~ is actually 1 - 0.1*10^(-infinity) therefore 0.9~ < 1

... and 10^(-infinity) will be zero
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wsinda
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Quote from Xaid0n :lol he bent the pole

Or the fence went flaccid.
wsinda
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Quote from Becky Rose :That's an interesting concept, multiple 0's.

Interesting, but impossible.

Proof: Assume that numbers A and B both are zeroes, i.e.
(1) x + A = x for every x, and
(2) x + B = x for every x

Then A = A + B = B.
The first equality is by rule (2), the second equality is by rule (1).
wsinda
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Lerts, suppose you want to post a reply in this thread. There is some distance between your mouse pointer and the "Reply" button.

You move the mouse halfway. Distance left: 0.5 part of original distance
You move the mouse halfway again. Distance left: 0.25 part.
Again. Distance left: 0.125 part.
And so on.

Do you ever reach the "Reply" button? No.
I have now proved that you did not reply to this thread.
Quote from Jertje :Would it mean that 1+0.999999 (infinite) = 2? or 1.99999999 (infinite) or both? If it's both, then why do we even use 0.999?

Both. Writing it as 2 is more convenient, but 1.9(9) is still a valid notation.
You can also write the number 16 as 17, 20, 22, 24, 31, 40, 121 or 1000 (in base 9, 8, 7, ..., 2). It's still the same number.
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wsinda
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Quote from Woz :In the context of 1/3 it means that at some point it is not posssible to represent the last digit and that some inifinite portion is left unstated.

There is no last digit. If you insist on there being a last digit, then you are rounding off, thus turning it into a different number.

You seem to be uneasy with infinite decimal expansions. You are not the only one.
wsinda
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Quote from Woz :They don't have to. It is already an offence in the UK that incurs jail time NOT to provide encryption keys if they are requested.

If the encryption hides a serious crime, the suspect will prefer to go to jail for not providing the keys. This law doesn't solve or prevent the crime.

The criminals can also use steganograhy, or any other way to hide the message in innocuous communication.
wsinda
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Quote from Woz :Yes I know that 0.9999999.... "tends" towards 1 but the fact of the matter is that it is NOT actually 1 or you would just write 1 instead of .9999......

As AndroidXP remarked there is more than one way to write a certain number: 1, 2/2, exp(0), 0.999...
Quote : Does not matter how many 9s you write does it will NEVER reach 1 therefore it is not 1.

Even if I write 9s all my life, I could NEVER write enough decimals, so I will never write down the number that is 0.999... recurring. That's inifinity for you.

You can look at it this way: if you take the smallest positive number you can imagine, then it is still larger than the difference between 1.0 and 0.999... And if you take half of that, it's still too big. Or half of that ...
wsinda
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Quote from flymike91 :the point of the system (seems to be) to tag emails with key words in them like: BOMB 3:00 SAN FRANCISCO GOLDEN GATE BRIDGE

That is certain to be false alarm (unless your aim is to catch jokers). Any crook worth his salt will use encryption, or use nonspecific language, like: MEETING AGREED 15:00 SAN FRANCISCO.
Quote :@intrepid: The government doesn't care about any of those things you just listed.

They will. Terrorism is the reason to create the system. But once it works and the data is available, it will come in handy for other purposes: catching tax evaders, illegal migrants, file sharers, etc. The government will need to do that to justify the expense, cause the system won't catch any of the big criminals.
wsinda
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Quote from mcintyrej :If your not doing anything wrong then you can't be tricked into saying your doing something wrong.

If you can't be tricked then in any case you can be tortured. You should know, you're from the country that brought us the Guildford Four.
wsinda
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Quote from Woz :Therefore 0.999999..... = 1

Sure. Just calculate 1.0 - 0.99999999... Start writing down the decimals, and in a day or so you will see the answer.
Quote from Bean0 :Fly must have been stationary at one point when direction changed.

Yes, each part of the fly was stationary at some instant during impact. But when its tail was stationary, its head was already going in the opposite direction. And perhaps the first few layers of atoms on the train were also stationary for a very short moment.
Quote from The General Lee :Is this like that 1+1 = 1 thing that caused a massive argument and mass confusion?

In all of those cases, you will be dividing by zero somewhere along the way.
wsinda
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Castor angle is the angle at which Beavers (Castoridae) bite chips out of the tree trunks.
wsinda
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Quote from nihil :Don't think Pininfarina ever designed for Bugatti, though I'm willing to be corrected on that point.

I think he meant Peugeot. They often have (had?) Pininfarina designs.
wsinda
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Imagine yourself sitting in the pub. A bloke then says to you: "I got a mate who has top access to that surveillance system. He's gonna plant evidence that you were collecting child porn. The cops pay you a visit, and your boss and your gf won't be happy. Now, if you just give me 5,000 quid before next Thursday..."
wsinda
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Quote from wheel4hummer :I mean giving them an minimum-wage job. Pay them $6/hr (whatever minimum wage is idk) tax-free, that's $8640/yr guaranteed income.

The useful work that they can do inside a prison is limited, and has a low economical value. If you give them decent pay, you are effectively subsidizing them with taxpayers money. And if the inmates must pay for the cost of imprisonment (food, housing, healthcare, security), they have very little left to relieve their debt.
Quote :Another example, let's say that you own a large home, and you have a $600,000 mortgage, with $400,000 left on it. You are already $20,000 in credit card debt, and you happen to lose your job. Instead of crying to the government for help, the logical thing to do would be to sell the house. Let's say you sell it for $500,000 instead since the real estate market failed.

Wrong example? You can use the $500,000 to pay back the remaining mortgage and credit card debt ($400,000 + $20,000), so you still have $80,000 left. (BTW, 500 grand is optimistic. In some areas the prices have already dropped 10-20%. And with a forced sale you will get around 90% of the actual value of the house.)
wsinda
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Quote from blackbird04217 :I highly doubt that as I know I was being at least 95% productive during 14 - 18hr days for 2 months straight including working weekends. Crunch time trying to make a demo to get a project published. Most of the team worked at the brute force schedule and we all came out with an amazing piece of work at the end of time.

Quote from mrodgers :I'm talking real workers here, not office people [...]. They are still standing in front of their machine and the machine is still spitting out anywhere from 5 to 20 parts every minute or two that needs trimmed, set on the racks, inserts inserted, and packaged.

That brings me to the other part of my argument: if you don't take breaks on a long workday (or are not allowed to) then you will make more errors, which cost money and thus decrease effective productivity. I'm talking about long-term here: a short period of crunch time to make a deadline may be effective. But in the long run, excessive overtime will wear you out and harm productivity.

If you don't believe me, read Evan Robinson's article "Why Crunch Mode Doesn't Work". He backs it up with research from a century ago:
Quote :In 1908 industrial efficiency pioneer Ernst Abbe published in Gessamelte Abhandlungen his conclusions that a reduction in daily work hours from nine to eight resulted in an increase in total daily output. (Nor was he the first to notice this. William Mather had adopted an eight-hour day at the Salford Iron Works in 1893.)

Some bosses never learn, I guess.
wsinda
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Quote from wheel4hummer :The only solution is to send people to prison for not paying off their debt. Then they would be given a job (such as making shirts or something), and they would be in prison until their debt was paid off. I'm not kidding, it sounds like a decent solution.

Either you're kidding or your brains went AWOL. The economical value of prison labor is negligible, and probably less than the cost of emprisonment. Plus, their families would have to live on welfare.

How about the Indian solution: Forcing them to sell their own kids as slaves (or, if none left, themselves).
wsinda
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Quote from mrodgers :The flip side to shorter work weeks is working four 10 hour days to still make the 40 hour work week.

The workers spend less money in fuel to get to work, they get an extra full day off, and they get the same pay.

The company gets the same amount of production as the workers are still putting in 40 hours. But, the company also gets to shut down an extra day saving on utilities. Shutting down an extra 4 days per week when your utilities are in the $100-200,000 per month range can be significant.

Except that research has shown that people can only be productive for 8 hours per day. Days of 10 hours means that 2 hours are spent on coffee, chatting, private phone calls, and generally goofing off. So the boss can save cost on utilities, but he gets 20% less production for the same wages.
wsinda
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Michael, since you said you don't have a fancy studio, here's a suggestion: put a chair + desk somewhere out in the garden or the fields, and change the location a few times. (I've watched a lot of Monty Python sketches lately. )

It might make the background more interesting, since you don't have Jessica's "assets".
wsinda
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Quote from traxdata :EDIT: Also, how do I get my little flag at the top left to change to Scotland?

IIRC you can do that by changing the country here: http://www.lfs.net/?page=accountdetails
wsinda
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Fugly. :vomit:

Quote :it's also supposedly the first car "specifically designed to bring the virtual and real worlds together." What's that mean? Well, apparently visitors to the show can actually drive the car in a true to life simulator on the Citroën stand.

They aren't the first...
wsinda
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Surprisingly, these figures are not present in the Wikipedia comparison. Might be a good idea to add it.
wsinda
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Quote from Toddshooter :Our Weapons of Mass Distraction are hiding in our igloos. (We like to call them Doobies, Spliff, Joints, Weed)

Corrected that for you.
wsinda
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Newsflash: If you want people to read text, you can put the letters straight on a web page. You don't have to make a movie of it and put that on YouTube.
wsinda
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The log of suggestions for setup improvements is here.
An earlier thread about a comment box is here.

Seems like a simple change, so it indeed is a mystery why it hasn't been done already. OTOH, there is room to create a "Setup Manager" add-on. This could also implement other features, such as renaming, filtering, searching, etc.
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