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the_angry_angel
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Closed at the request of the OP.

However, let me put this in your mind. Programming is as much about bouncing ideas off other people as it is about writing code sometimes. Sometimes it's useful just to have someone to tell you the answer and sometimes it's useful to have someone to tell you that you're right or wrong, or simply someone there to talk at.

Programming is rarely a singular effort (in my eyes).

The programmers forum isn't orientated around closed development. if this were the case everyone time someone helped it would be in PM, we'd sign a NDA and then get paid a consultancy fee. Given my bank balance I doubt this is happening. If you want to do this then feel free though.

The reason the programmers forum succeeds is because people are willing to share and help, and this isn't always because of the warm fuzzy feeling.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from dougie-lampkin :Never question TAA

tbh, I'm occasionally wrong
the_angry_angel
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Quote from popps258 :That is admin abuse, there is no need to have so many 500 servers
and the owner is using this a profiteering and also abusing his admin rights

Anyone can open any number of servers they like. Feel free to do it if you wish. I know that Franky has been having a number of hardware issue over the last few days, so this is likely to be nothing more than a mistake...
Quote from popps258 :there are more servers than players

What's your point? There has almost always been a significant number of unpopulated servers in recent years. I only have records dating back to late last year, but I know that this is still the case.

Also one thread is more than enough on the subject thank you.
the_angry_angel
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Hang on.. Let me get this straight. You asked for help yet are unwilling to help others with a simple explanation of a solution? That seems somewhat unfair - unless Nock44 has explicitly asked you to not divulge the information.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from Luke.S :but it isn't rude it's jessica alba in a bakini.

That's a matter of perspective. It's not rude to you. Others may find it rude however.

Considering as there's been the answer and we're now at the spammy stage, I think we'll stop there
the_angry_angel
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From docs/Commands.txt:
Quote :ALL - all cars
ROAD - road legal cars
RACE - race cars
TBO - same as XRT+RB4+FXO
LRF - same as LX6+RAC+FZ5
GTR - same as FXR+XRR+FZR

LRF should be fairly obvious now.

S-S = Single Seater
FWD = Front Wheel Drive
the_angry_angel
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FWIW cheat engine itself is just a fancy memory editor with various tools to help you find and manipulate parts of the memory, it won't magically do this sort of stuff by itself
the_angry_angel
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Off the top of my head, there could be 2 layouts which are identical apart from a single barrier. It's then just a case of a quick /axload.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from mcgas001 :Nice personal attack there

That was a generalisation and you know it. There was no personal attack. If you feel otherwise contact another moderator (or better yet, just use the "report this post" feature) to vet my words.

No moderator is exempt from the rules and if the others deem that my behaviour was inappropriate then I'll happily accept the consequences. If that means I'm not suitable to be a moderator, then so be it.

The reason for the "rude words" was simply that putting it in plain english isn't working.

Quote from mcgas001 :You seem to have somehow turned my little response on the last page into a massive agruement.

If you believe this is an argument then you're mistaken. There's been a relatively polite discussion.

If you feel otherwise then I apologise as thats not how I have been posting in this thread.

Quote from mcgas001 :All I said was it needs to be fixed by the creator of the game, After all, this is his job. Somehow you seem to think its wrong though....

I've not said it's wrong. I've not typed anything that can infer it's wrong. I do not understand how you can come to that conclusion.

I agree that it needs to be fixed, and if this were a remote code execution issue then I'd be shouting louder than anyone else that it's a priority and should be immediately fixed. However, what I've been trying and failing to explain is that it's just a huge pain in the arse at the moment. But critical? The only people who it's critical to at the end of the day are the developers. They are the ones who ultimately suffer from cheats through loss of business. If they've decided how quickly or not quickly to fix the problem, then it's up to them?
the_angry_angel
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I'll spell it out then..

What good is moaning going to do? The developers are aware of this issue and are working on it in some way, shape or form. Moaning and griping about it isn't going to change the situation or speed up the fix.

Accept that this is out of our control and then learn to live with it for now.

Understand that it's not life or death. Cheer the **** up. Stop being a miserable ****.

Yes it's relatively prevelant amongst certain people in the community, but if you care that much about keeping things clean. I mean seriously really care, then you'll have people watching over your server(s) regularly anyway.

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You've been told that posting replays is allowed. What more do you want aside from a fix? A work around is the best that can be done for the moment.
the_angry_angel
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Can you perform the tests outlined in this thread;
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=29454

Also ensure that you are using a relatively recent version of LFS. Older ones will not work.

You might also want to try editing cfg.txt, and changing the Master Port setting from 29339 to 8080 (this is the other port number that the master also runs on), and seeing if that helps at all.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from mcgas001 :Awww, Tough old world isnt it.

Maybe I put the paragraph spacing in the wrong place there. I fear you've either misread or misinterpreted my point. But lets leave it at that.

Quote from mcgas001 :Must I continue......?

If you feel that's how you can best serve the community then yes
the_angry_angel
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Quote from mcgas001 :Ahh, I see. Cant be nice, Nor polite, So you will just threat. Great idea! Im really scared.

You've misinterpreted my meaning here. There was no threat, just a simple confession that I'm finding it hard not to fill my posts with ****, **** and bastard, or just saying "you smell funny" or "so's your face" and then leaving it at that.

My point was that being altruistic, polite and upbeat is not in my nature and that I was trying instill the understanding that getting uptight about it isn't going to solve anything. In short if I can do it, why not you guys?

Look at it from this point of view. Cheaters and wreckers on LFS aren't a business critical concern to anyone else outside of the LFS hosting business and the LFS developers themselves.

Yes when you run a server you'll come across them and it'll be annoying, but if you care that much you'll be much more vigilant against this sort of behaviour.

Quote from mcgas001 :Whilst your barricade might be a good idea, As I said above. It doesnt hide the fact LFS has a big hole that needs fixing, Or else it will hurt LFS.

It's not my barricade and it was never my idea. No one is trying to hide the hole. The barricade is nothing more than a simple way of addressing the low hanging servers which aren't policed as stringently.

I actively encourage you to post replays of offenders.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from SamH :I'm very excited about the prospect of a new barricade, especially since it's coming from Karl. The old barricade was very much cobbled together and built upon from a very basic reporting system I wrote back in the TeamUKCC days. The new one, however, promises to be the bees gonads and I can barely wait to join up

Gee thanks for that(!) Trust me I'm no genius at all, I do nothing more than dabble with programming (some people seem to have the misapprehension that it's my job - my job is basically (system|network|desktop) administration), and I'd like to downplay Sam's statement that it'll be the bee's bollocks (sorry, couldn't resist the alliteration). The first version is very much cobbled together quickly, although it should be "working" after a fashion.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from mcgas001 :OK, Let me tell you something. Demoers like to have a few racing tests before downloading the game. I know, I did for 3 months. Currently on Patch Y demo (As advertised on LFS.Net!) You goto a demo server and you cannot race for love nor money. There is a hacker in every server. Now, Please tell me, Would you buy a game if that was the first impression?

The DEMO has always had problems. LFS as a whole has seen wreckers, cheaters, drifters and a whole host of other things.

Whilst I rarely get in servers these days I can tell you that things like this tend to happen in cycles. I've been around LFS longer than most so I can remember most of the exploits, arguments and other issues over the recent years. So you'll have to please forgive me if I'm not quite as frantic or concerned about the situation as I apparently should be?

I'm not saying that I know everything that goes on because I obviously don't, and I'll happily admit that. However the DEMO has always been a problem and by it's nature it's been uncontrollable. The changes have that been introduced recently in test patches should help significantly to give DEMO racers a little bit of accountability and should help stem this behaviour.

Quote from mcgas001 :Im just saying, I sent this hack to Victor a long time ago, and still nothing has been done.

I'm not here to defend sides and I obviously can't comment for the developers. The moderation team know nothing more about the development of LFS than the general public. However, I am here to keep the peace, so don't mistake me for being a fanboy or eternally optimistic. It's not in my nature. Nor is being polite.

What I am trying to be is realistic about what us lowly racers and moderators can do about the situation.

Quote from mcgas001 :Makes no difference to me, I rarely play now anyway....

I've also been getting a faint itching between a pair of my toes. I thought it was just atheletes foot, but it could be I'm due for some travel perhaps?

Quote from mcgas001 :Oh, Im also not the only one thinking this is been going on for too long. Look at birders post...

No one has said that it's not gone on long enough, but I'm trying to put it in perspective.

An annoyance it is, but end of the force it is not.

If the community deam that any work on a barricade system is a waste of time I'll happily stop working on it. I've got other things I'd rather do, quite frankly.

Quote from der butz :This might sound a bit harsh now, but seeing that a few idiots try to ruin the fun of ten thousands of people I'm completely FOR naming cheaters.

Feel free to post mpr's so people can make up their own minds.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from mcgas001 :Im not saying this in a bad way, but people making stuff to report hackers still doesnt hide the fact lfs has a hole in it.

Congratulations on pointing out the obvious?

No one said that the barricade was the perfect solution. It's better than **** all else though.

Quote from mcgas001 :Which should be fixed, I have no clue why it isnt already tbh.

I have no idea how the team develop LFS, but the "delay" could be the result of anything from code management to Scawen feeling that backtracking and producing a compatible patch with the fix would be a waste of time given his progress on other parts of LFS so far.

When you look at the number of cheaters in this thread, or the number of users that Mazer has banned over a given period, it's not all that of a significant number when you consider the size of the userbase, or the rough number of online users during a given day. Quite frankly I'm surprised that it's not more prevalent than it is.
the_angry_angel
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I've only had one or two consoles in recent years, the Wii being the only one on your list, so I'm only really qualified to comment on that one.

Quite frankly the novelty wears off and when you try and find a game that you actually want to sit down and play for longer than a 10-20 minutes, you'll become unstuck. It's an undeniably good console - if you have friends over a lot, or only want to play in very short periods. For me this didn't work and it's being sold.

Mike Capps from Epic games had the right phrase - "It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, ‘Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it’. So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then goes out and buys it and so on".

If you've not played the same franchises on other platforms then you maybe the exception to the rule and find something in the Wii that I've not.
the_angry_angel
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The feeds would be totally optional as would be be any automatic system. I would never force this on anyone at all, but I know personally I'd prefer to trust the judgement of the participating admins than to manually go through each ban and check the replay. But that's just because I'm fairly hands off with my servers.

The web gui will still be there for server admins who want to check the notes themselves, or email system available if people wish. The feeds are currently both RSS and Atom, defaulting to Atom.

There is also a "check the barricade" feature working. The only thing I really need to do is just bung together a robust admin interface and give it a good testing before I let everyone loose on it.
the_angry_angel
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Yesterday afternoon I started on a replacement for the barricade. It's effectively the same system, but comes with things like feeds of accepted bans, etc. so that it can help facilitate automatically banning people who are deemed a problem (this would of course be the call of the administrators). I'm also planning a few things in the future, such as a tool to merge ban files, and the submission of ban files from some trusted sources.

I've not had the opportunity to work on it today or this evening, but I'm hoping to have a basic version ready by the end of the week if I can. It will have some of the back catalog of the existing barricade entries.

With regards to the moderators not supporting name and shame threads - it's been discussed and naming the individual in the thread isn't acceptable, however simply posting a replay is reasonable. This allows everyone to make up their own minds without a predetermined judgement affecting any decision.
the_angry_angel
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Quote from _EvoLuTioN_ :Because a "Programmer" has made the insim

This thread is nothing more than a statement and/or advertisement. If you'd asked for opinions on an unfinished product, or wanted help then it would've stayed in the programmer forum, thus in my opinion it's not relevant for the programmers forum. Sorry
the_angry_angel
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Quote from will300 :go to this link and u will see what i mean

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aeU5Lj5y0Qo

I think you'll find that's nothing more than an edited texture and that the sound was simply added on in the video.
the_angry_angel
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So it doesn't work at all? Not recognising input in LFS or in the control panel?

How long have you had it? Most electronic stuff comes with 6 months or longer warranty now. It might be in your interest to talk to whoever you bought it from and/or Logitech themselves. In the past they have been somewhat helpful.
the_angry_angel
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Can I suggest that you read the thread a little more than the title in future sun?
the_angry_angel
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I assume that the MOMO itself has a power source, so have you checked the fuse on the plug? It's fairly obvious, yet funny how it can be forgotten sometimes
the_angry_angel
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Quote from Shotglass :im inclined to say indeed but im afraid taa will sit on me till i apologize to him for doing this sort of thing here

I've given out my warning for the day, I'm afraid
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