Quote from Migz :

Can somebody answer me a quick question? I need to put a relay on my bike, but the ones im using don't seem to be working, but then i remembered that im pretty sure bikes run on a different electrical system to cars? Ones AC and the others DC or something along those lines. Will i have to get a motorbike specific relay for it to work? Or maybe am i just doing something wrong with my current one?

Just what do you need this relay for? If for lights then a standard auto headlamp relay should do the trick, get one at almost any auto aftermarket shop.

Quote from 5tag :

I cannot imagine any vehicle would be supplied with AC but I can tell you for sure most if not all cars will have a 12V system, whereas for bikes 6V systems are/were widely spread.

Actually they are both, the alternator supplies a 3 phase AC current that is then rectified to DC for the battery and electrical system. This applies to both cars and bikes, and tractors and trucks and even light aircraft. 6V systems went the way of the dinosaurs on road bikes way back in the 1960's, it is still used on some smaller offroad bikes from memory.

Now, my bikes, the beasty I raced, (until the third time I broke my back)
a "Boeyang" Works Suzuki GT\TR 750. 113HP at 13,000RPM and no brakes allowed to be fitted. (Speedway regulations)
And my road bike, a low slung chopped Triumph T100, big vavles, big carbs, lumpy cams, "modded" exhausts, ie very little silencing.
The engine is basicly a replica of the last of the old 500cc GP bikes. Yep, she's pretty quick, handles like all Trumpy's, and can eat 900\1000cc Harleys for lunch.

Last edited by shorty943, Mon 18 Jul 2011, 02:24.

Will this be a continueing series,(for those of us a little slow on the uptake), who forgot to register in time.

And will the car setups be a set thing, or subject to change over time?
On account of I still run about 3 seconds outside that minimum lap time you have. I hope to at least be able to spectate for a while.

well, back to some more lapping and setup testing.

Quote from MASTAFLOW76 :

Screw it make LFS add it because you see that anyone have no one to thalk, when typing and driving is illegal and screw the bad words I am a messenger ;p

Make? haha it is to laugh.

Buy the full liscenced product before you begin to stamp your little foot at the dev crew.

Oh, and don't confuse real world laws with virtuality.

Then comes all the fun of making your own personalised skins for all the cars, and making your own custom wheel textures etc.

LFS seems to be endless in the way we can customise almost every aspect of it for ourselves.
I think it's the most fun I've ever had with my clothes still on.

This appears to be the default pair of wheels for XR series cars from the latest version of LFS.

Quote from mill3num :

When i was looking about this, i found this video, of some unoccupied person who have his life just to disturb other people enjoyment

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MM1-iC_MEBg

Such a pity the IP in that youtube vid was a fake, the trace I put on it failed.

May be a good idea to keep a log of IP connections to your servers, trace them back, block any that you dont know for sure are genuine racers.

And yes, it,s sad when annoying little minds use hacker tools to attack us just to annoy us, there certainly is no finnancial gain for them.

Quote from Crashgate3 :

What's this thing with having one headlight popped up?

Erm, secondhand Toyota Celica? Mine did it.
Or, perhaps like a crappy 915 Porsche a friend of mine once owned, that did it all the time, lol.

Agniz, love the road grime, must try some thing like that on my new skin.
Thanks for the inspiration.

Go into the sims options panel, and assign a button to the speed limiter.

Then like me, spend the rest of your life trying to remember just which damned button you assigned.

Been a while since I played with the demo, but, I vaguely recall being able to run the XRT in multiplayer testdrive mode.

PS, Davo, I'm just up and to the left of you a bit.


Shorty.

Another vote for a Bathurst track in LFS if possible.

With a youtube link to some good Bathurst race footage.

http://www.youtube.com/results ... &aq=2&oq=Bathurst


British greats such as Stirling Moss and jackie Stewart have raced this track and sung its praise and terrors loudly.

Quote from tristancliffe :

Clutch failure won't stop gear changes. They'll be fine.

Clutch heat might make starts more interesting, but as each start will give you a brand new clutch I don't think it'll be an issue, except perhaps the BF1.

I don't know what real racing you do shorty, but I doubt you notice clutch heat before engine and brake temps.

That's right. It wont affect gear changing.
Most clutch failures actually happen on the start line.
Like I said, get held just a bit too long before the green light, a finely set clutch begins to over-heat, and your lucky if you actually get off the line.

I raced speedway sidecars mainly mate.
Against world champions like Jack Findlay.
That is a Barry Sheene TR 750 engine you are looking at there.

When the International rule book says brakes are not allowed to be fitted to the motorcycle for speedway.
Well, that's just one less thing to go wrong isn't it.

sorry, now you've got me confused. No matter.

As long as this thread and suggestion are serious, so am I.

Sidecars and 3 wheeler's used to compete side by side on the GP racetrack. The 3 wheeler had to have a passenger just like the sidecar, same GP race rules apply.

I am serious about the suggestion. Motorcycles are a different thing, and I'm quite sure the developers don't want to get into the physics of that just yet, if ever. But, sidecars in simulation at least, are very similar to a 4 wheeler. A Trike, or 3 wheeler even more stable. It should not be that hard to do.

This has me confused.

You seem to be asking if LFS can support some form of Hydraulic drive system.
To what purpose? How could this improve this race car simulator?
Unless you want to race "Moon Buggies".

I can't understand how this system could possibly be used on a race car. I build, and race, cars and motorcycles, another piece of even more complex machinery to go wrong is exactly the opposite to what you need.

And it is already copyrighted and patented in the real world.

Quote from Hankstar :

Robin Reliant for the ultimate win.

Now that is a funny.

I don't know which idiot you mean Micky, but if you want to check out "Kit Cars" in a Google search you get some wild looking fully road registerable machines like these.

And they do handle very well indeed, better than any car I have ever driven.
The Stinson Sting, just take the front end off any big road bike and bolt the Stinson conversion in it's place instead.

The MR3. It used to be a Mini Cooper.

Last edited by shorty943, Mon 10 Dec 2007, 01:09.

Trust me, from real life race track experience.

It is the clutch that will go first.
Get held on the line for a second too long, and your clutch will start to heat, expand, drag, grip, break.

Then it takes four hours with an angle grinder to get the welded mess apart, etc, etc.

This simulator is very accurate, in many respects.

Quote from mickyc30 :

you cannot be serious! (John McEnroe voice) lol

Like the old Morgan +2. Yes.

Big V twin JAP engine out in front, single rear wheel drive.
Spin, spin, spin.

And road-race sidecars, they could compete in the same class, just like in real life.
The way we used to, way back in the last century.
The 1950's, 60's and 70's.

Shorty here.

Racer name is shorty943, prisoner 943,,I mean, shorty, is good enough.

Shiny new here, I'll just spectate, and keep practicing for a while, if that's alright.

Quote from BigTime :

I've got to say something about this post than in all honesty has completely surprised me. I'll admit I think oval racing can be a little lackluster when it comes to skill, entertainment, and the typical LFS community, but I have to say that one of the major problems with the game is the lack, or the non-existence, of a variety of oval tracks. Even though I don't personal see myself on the ovals much, I really respect the art of oval racing. The reason I'm surprised is because the lack of votes for ovals just simply because it's something the game badly NEEDS. I hope the admins realize that even though there are not a large number of oval racers at this point, The introduction of new ovals with help bring forth more of the NASCAR, IRL, or any oval simulation groups to LFS. I'm sure they've thought of all this in the past and probably have so much on the table the hardest part of development is picking out which parts of the game to develop.

Anyways, point being. In my eyes the introduction of at least two, if not three of four new oval tracks to the game, is almost a needed step at this point of development. How do you guys feel about trying to bring more of the oval racers to LFS, and in part, turn some of the LFS drivers into oval racers?

Here here. As a retired real life oval tracker, I shed tears of Methanol when Ratbag Games sold out.

With only 2 days unlocked practice, the most skill at Kyota ? is seeing how many times I can spin down the straights in hot lapping.

Hmm, dirt oval would be nice.

Quote from AndroidXP :

LOL. He already got it sorted

Hey Gunn, my personal pet dislike, is TELSTRA, my mobile phone carrier. Thieves they are.

Stupid God damned Billion router. The router firewall was blocking LFS.

Then I crashed that at about 2300 last night. Just got back online now.

Once again, thank you all for your patience and persistence, I'll catch you on the track some day.

OKAY, nuff, I hollered uncle.

noccy, you win.

I bit the bullet, dropped my router firewall, and she went through like silk.


Thank you very much to all who tried so hard to help.

WE DID IT.

I owe you a Coopers beer.

I tried a ping and tracert test on my ISP. This is the result.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

C:\Documents and Settings\shorty>ping lfs.games.internode.on.net

Pinging lfs.games.internode.on.net [208.67.219.130] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 208.67.219.130: bytes=32 time=243ms TTL=243
Reply from 208.67.219.130: bytes=32 time=242ms TTL=243
Reply from 208.67.219.130: bytes=32 time=231ms TTL=243
Reply from 208.67.219.130: bytes=32 time=235ms TTL=243

Ping statistics for 208.67.219.130:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 231ms, Maximum = 243ms, Average = 237ms

C:\Documents and Settings\shorty>tracert lfs.games.internode.on.net

Tracing route to lfs.games.internode.on.net [208.67.219.130]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.0.254
2 14 ms 15 ms 19 ms loop0.lns5.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.215.249
]
3 23 ms 54 ms 219 ms v14.cor3.adl2.internode.on.net [203.16.212.254]

4 223 ms 219 ms 224 ms po3.bdr1.adl6.internode.on.net [203.16.212.146]

5 223 ms 219 ms 219 ms pos4-0.bdr1.syd7.internode.on.net [203.16.212.21
]
6 203 ms 199 ms 199 ms pos4-2.bdr1.sjc2.internode.on.net [203.16.213.53
]
7 228 ms 224 ms 224 ms ge-3-7.r02.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.1
1.97]
8 223 ms 224 ms 224 ms ae-2.r20.snjsca04.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.3.2
25]
9 193 ms 194 ms 204 ms ae-1.r21.plalca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.5.3
2]
10 228 ms 224 ms 229 ms xe-4-1.r04.plalca01.us.bb.gin.ntt.net [129.250.4
.122]
11 202 ms 194 ms 194 ms fa-3-3.r04.plalca01.us.ce.gin.ntt.net [140.174.2
1.166]
12 234 ms 239 ms 229 ms nxdomain.guide.opendns.com [208.67.219.130]

Trace complete.

C:\Documents and Settings\shorty>


My ISP's LFS server is alive and well it seems.
I can even understand that with an as yet still locked recalcitrant copy of the game, I can't see the server running, or even in IGN server listing for that matter. They don't run a demo server at all.

What I don't understand is why I even got sent out of my home state. Internode have a 50+ server farm inhouse. In Adelaide.
It is adl1 through to adl9.

Or why I can't connect with the master server to unlock my game.

Quote from Noccy :

U really should try a few things to help determine where it is going wrong. (please don't lock me up in a engine room with no airco at the operators desk if u already tried following suggestions. )

-install the latest firmware on your router, reset it to default settings (should be a button or procedure in the manual), put your Pc in the DMZ (don't care if u want to or not..u HAVE to try without your firewall settings for 5minutes) and try unlocking LFS.

-Install a linux build that can run LFS on your leisure laptop, hook it up to the net and try unlocking.

-connect to a free (local) dial-up ISP via a mobile on both your laptop and Pc and try unlocking ( to rule out your ISP)
If "ae-2.ebr4.NewYork1.Level3.net" really is the last hop in your trace somethings wrong as the LFS master server should be in the UK (or was it the Netherlands?)

-Haul your Pc and lfs-ready laptop to a friend or relative with internet and ...u got it... try unlocking. In case none live anywhere nearby, call the closest internet cafe and ask if u can hop by with your pc and laptop to test. (or find an open hotspot somewhere near flatbuildings or other high density housing if your laptop has a wireless NIC)

Can't think of much more, but trying those should give some clues to where the culprit resides.
Hope u can find a fix soon and start enjoying LFS ,with this whole unlocking saga being but a distant memory

No worries mate. It's when the Chief Engineer goes quiet, everybody scarpers. I'm venting steam at my own thick headed blindness as well don't you worry.

Router was updated very recently. log in reset to default, save config, restart. Again. I'll leave the rest of that bit as a last resort if you don't mind. (See Shorty fret and frown).


Read many, many threads on LFS and Linux, install the most reccomended flavour to the Acer Veriton P4 Desktop that is my Linux Playpen. Laptop sacred banana.


Connect to free local what?
ROFL. Mate, I live outside of a tiny country town, on the edge of a bloody great big desert.

Oooh, it's hard to type when I'm ROL RLO oh, you know what I mean.


The last one is even better. Mental picture.

Scruffy old sailor\farmer, roars into town in the old Land Rover.
Set up the portable generator, in the main street, sets up the computer, and PIRATES the local council wireless ADSL.

Or.

The friend across the river, on a different provider, and lushious 1 Gig satellite connection is going to get to like LFS.

I'll work my way through them.



kaynd, exactly. This one's a ripper of a snag.



Angry, Okay. I'll try doing that. It may be a fragged memory cell in my grey matter. I do have a few you know.

And, the usual thanks.
Oh, no it just came up with "Can't connect to the master server" again.
Right now, as I type this, it is closing in one 1 hour till mid-night here.
Almost 2300 Thursday night.
I have been wrestling with this thing since lunch-time Tuesday.
Maybe tomorrow, I'll be awake enough to think straight.

Thank you all for putting in this endurance effort for a complete stranger.
I'm going for a nap.

Nope. That didn't work either.