I bought now a A6-6310 Quad-Core APU 20Watt. LFS running only in minimal-configuration. But i dont understand why it is using only 25% CPU, and 25 % GPU? Multicore-Rendering is maybe not supported. I tested also Half Life 1, this run so good like in my old power consumtion system with one CPU. Half Life 2 - i have the test not finished - dont know anymore how many CPU was used, but it run not so good and AA and AF is not supported and should be disabled.
Win 7 is not so expensive, you can buy it cheap on ebay - or the win 8 Upgrade for win xp. To get Win 10 is not a big problem for Windows XP users.
Product support is not matter - i use Win XP also after more than one year without support.
Product support is not matter - i use Win XP also after more than one year without support.
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DirectX 12 or Vulkan is a must have
Hello, windows 10 will give us a 3D revolution. I hope LFS will be soon on Windows 10 and DX12 or Linux and Vulkan. Its nice that it run yet in Windows XP, but Windows 10 is killing Windows XP now.
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/webwelt/article141502890/3D-Grafik-in-Spielen-steht-eine-Revolution-bevor.html
I am using in future only mobile devices, because the ATX Items need to much power and in dont want give the power industry a money. Hoping 16nm CPUs with integrated Graphics coming soon....
http://www.welt.de/wirtschaft/webwelt/article141502890/3D-Grafik-in-Spielen-steht-eine-Revolution-bevor.html
I am using in future only mobile devices, because the ATX Items need to much power and in dont want give the power industry a money. Hoping 16nm CPUs with integrated Graphics coming soon....
Is it possible to keep the old Westhill; maybe just as "Old Westhill"?
The new Westhill is really amazing, but in the old Westhill the graphics are smoother on my Radeon HD4600. Yesterday the graphics was stuck every second, but after reinstalling the driver it was so good like oin the old version. With my old graphics card is no 100% smooth graphic possible i guess. Sometimes a object wont be smooth also when vsync by 50 Hz 50.00 fps....
Europe have 50 Hz refresh rate and the USA 60 Hz. Most People dont see any difference and for the most people are 25 Hz(fps) enough.... Or 24 fps like in a Cinema. With 50 Hz and fps should all moving objects on screen be 100% smooth, because the system can make 130 fps. It have enough Power for it, and in the old WE International was there only a problem with smooth graphics on some special points like on the road before the last turn. Sorry for my bad english.
The new Westhill is really amazing, but in the old Westhill the graphics are smoother on my Radeon HD4600. Yesterday the graphics was stuck every second, but after reinstalling the driver it was so good like oin the old version. With my old graphics card is no 100% smooth graphic possible i guess. Sometimes a object wont be smooth also when vsync by 50 Hz 50.00 fps....
Europe have 50 Hz refresh rate and the USA 60 Hz. Most People dont see any difference and for the most people are 25 Hz(fps) enough.... Or 24 fps like in a Cinema. With 50 Hz and fps should all moving objects on screen be 100% smooth, because the system can make 130 fps. It have enough Power for it, and in the old WE International was there only a problem with smooth graphics on some special points like on the road before the last turn. Sorry for my bad english.
In the "metro thing" is it not possible to create subcategorys and it use for every tile a single shortcut in the filesystem. It seems microsoft will cause a overkill of the filesystem just because of the windows surroundings. Why do it make no databases for installed software and shortcuts? If i want uninstall a software it need time to create a list with installed software. And in my Windows 8.1 works the Google Earth from 10/2013 not. This are just some examples. If u have older software and hardware are there much more problems. For example: No 64 bit drivers for my Network-Controller available. Linux 64 bit have a driver for it. Linux support more hardware than windows.
BTW Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 8. 32 Bit programs work very much better.
(I do not install a 32 bit operating system higher than Windows XP)
BTW Windows 8.1 is faster than Windows 8. 32 Bit programs work very much better.
(I do not install a 32 bit operating system higher than Windows XP)
This is maybe because of the higher encryption of the network traffic. When using 64 bit and 32 bit Operating systems on a Network, you need just to share the 32 bit driver over network. But i dont know how to use a printer which is installed on a 32 bit XP in a 64 bit windows 8.1.
Some Canon Printers like PIXMA IP5300 works not on Windows 8.... I have also alot of reasons to be angry about microsofts new operating systems.
How about to make LFS ready for OpenGL and make a real linux-version?
Next year comes Windows 9, i hope this will be better. If it the same crap like Windows 8, i really go to linux when i buy new hardware. With new hardware i have then maybe also enough power for using LFS in Wine.........
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LFS with WINE 25 FPS and with Windows 130 FPS.... Dont know how the dx to openGL works. Maybe with new hardware is it possible, but i tested it with a original Nvidia Driver inatalled on linux mint.... Only openGL works in Linux good.
I still using Windows XP. I am happy to read about. I am using avast internet security - but ill look for zone-alarm.
I use Outlook Express. Only Microsoft Outlook is a good alternative for Outlook Express. Windows Live Mail is no alternative because its databaseless. I watch how to use Outlook 2k as alternative. I installed Office2K in a Windows 8 system. You have to move common Files to a folder without a ( in Foldername and change some registry entries for using Spell check.... But it contains the last excel with the faster algorithm. Windows XP FTW
Some of our Computers are Windows 8.1 and some Windows 7. And if i buy new hardware, Windows XP will be History also by me. I hope LFS will run in Windows XP some years after microsoft stopped support.
But what make Zone-Alarm when a trojan horse do drive by uploads and drive by downloads? I was infected by a banking trojan horse and a trojan horse which was stealing my email accounts. Its not possible to have a safe computer. No computer in the world is safe, but your computer is maybe a open door, because zone alarm can do nothing against a good virus. The hackers use software which not blocked by a firewall. They use Google Earth, Mozilla Firefox, Internet-Explorer, Adobe Flash Player, Adobe Reader, Java........ The hackers can occupy your Computer with a simple PDF File.
I dont need the new tyre physics, because i think the physics are good enough. I drive at time only single player, and i also think Tracks are enough, because i drive at time only in WE International with BF1. I cant make the world best hotlap and drive ca. 15 min/day.
3D Great Idea, but i dont know what graphic hardware i need for it.....
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Now i know why some people are so fast in LFS, they use just a faster real time clock.....
Whats the difference between A4 and B?
And how about turn back to the old watch around?
And how about turn back to the old watch around?
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be quiet - let the devs sleep at the bahamas. Z28 is LFS Final Version. Be Happy. Maybe in 2015 will be S3 released - when money out in bahamas.
Maybe anytime will another racing game have also good physics like lfs.
I want the watch around back. Removing watch around was just a big fault.
anyway, i learn never drive, no matter which physics. Sometimes i think there are alot of secret cheaters in lfs, or alot of godlike people....
maybe this thread should be closed, its a pain to watch whats new in here.
acceleration: high
way by slow moving: more than 40 cm
way by fast moving: 5cm
Using mouse XY-Setup
I use a virtual Joystick PPJoy for this, but in lfs u dont need it, because mouse axes are available in axes-FF, this mean: Mouse can be used as a wheel with throttle and brake in lfs.
See also:
Mouse-Steering - Some Suggestions
way by slow moving: more than 40 cm
way by fast moving: 5cm
Using mouse XY-Setup
I use a virtual Joystick PPJoy for this, but in lfs u dont need it, because mouse axes are available in axes-FF, this mean: Mouse can be used as a wheel with throttle and brake in lfs.
See also:
Mouse-Steering - Some Suggestions
What a immature slandering! Stop it immediately. You all have nothing to prove. And stop using bad language! @azzano62 you are just immature...
LC is closed for everytime
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
LC is closed for everytime
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
Hm, this is what i not really believe, because you all have nothing to proof. Show me your own insim, then ill join the server and test it. Then i believe you that you are able to code a insim. Im sure that i not spend much time to find out what insims u already have released as freeware....
Furthermore, the actual insim version runs stable, i drove today 2h without any disconnect and got the endurance-bankbonus 10%.... I dont know what yesterday was wrong.
You was the one in this thread which wont give hayward any chance. Thats the evil i talked about. I guess he dont need your help, because maybe your help is no help because u send him buggy code for ruining his idea.
Sure, taken the name liberty cruise is a borderline thing because of copyright and something. But thats just a problem between xerxes and hayward and not yours!!
And why should we believe in you?? Maybe you caused all the system crashes...
You refunded yourself and your mates with negative money... 800.000.000 Thats childish. Furthermore u banned me for no reason... (or maybe because i talked about brokens viewpoint). Broken is your best friend and maybe you have the same viewpoint..... Yesterday you and broken was together in the passworded LC-Server. Who wanna thinking evil about?
names over cars bigger
how to change the size of the names over cars? I always be not able to read them when cars are more than 10 m away. Didnt find a possibility for changing the size.
Mouse-Steering - Some Suggestions
My ppjoy-sttings for lfs
mouse acceleration is on
[PPJoyMouse]
VirtualJoyNumber=1
XGain=19
YGain=50
ZGain=10
My ppjoy-sttings for lfs
mouse acceleration is on
[PPJoyMouse]
VirtualJoyNumber=1
XGain=19
YGain=50
ZGain=10
@broken, Ales_M, Anzeee: You are just evil. Hoping i never meet you.
LC is closed for everytime
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
LC is closed for everytime
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
I say, its a good idea to make the new LC and the new[LC] Liberty-Cruise got hacked
Watch this for the old LC:
LC is closed for everytime
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[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
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The new LC rox
Be quiet now. The new LC rox. And the hackers which have hacked ist .... - i say better nothing about.
Version 3.5 is out and running good with LFS Z15. With Z13 i got alot of error caused disconnects.
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
Version 3.5 is out and running good with LFS Z15. With Z13 i got alot of error caused disconnects.
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
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Hello cruisers, as protest against the the selfish closing we want keep the server empty. The server will be open until July 1.
For all the cruising haters something:
The cruising is good for:
Have you ever been chased by a bunch of police? This can cause high adrenaline... when you robbed bank before XD.
meanings about this what are writtn at liberty-cruise.com are welcome. And yes, i find not all good what they wrote.
For all the cruising haters something:
The cruising is good for:
- get practice. I drive only with Mouse by using both mouse axes, (with PPJoy you can use it in every game), and to learn drive with throttle and brake in mouse Y was really hard for me. I learned it in cruising servers very easy. Thats not so boring like in Single player, and normal practice servers are not good for it, because there are people with higher skills and you always have to press shift+s.
- learning to keep attention for other drivers. Learning to watch out, learning to watch for oncoming traffic and drive without any accident. Watching for traffic before join the track and so forth.
- chilling out.
Have you ever been chased by a bunch of police? This can cause high adrenaline... when you robbed bank before XD.
meanings about this what are writtn at liberty-cruise.com are welcome. And yes, i find not all good what they wrote.
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LC is closed for everytime
Read this, something is really true.
This website was today unavailable, therefore here a copy:
I. The first time
1. The beginnings of Lc. Why a new cruise ?
In early June 2008, i wanted to make destruction derby server opposing two teams with a UF1 to push in the enemy lines. In other words, a football match where crash would generate points.
In order to implement this system, I needed to create a insim program but most current API was available in C# (a programming language that i hate : too limited, too heavy and unstable) so I started to write mine in C/C++ what seemed to me most appropriate for this type of application.
My purpose was to make it complete and simple to use in order to distribute it under the GPL license for the benefit of other players, and maybe to work on with them.
I therefore begin to write what will become LiS during the development Lc. For the develop, i needed to try it on a context well known and who attract many players in order to adapt it better to the functioning of LFS. I therefore propose to the team Fc (FrenchCruise) to develop a Cruise program for them.
The development progressed very quickly and in less than some days, a very basic Cruise was functional and in less than a month i added much of functions available on main Cruise present on the LFS network.
Result of misunderstanding with the administration of the FC team (material and human) I opened the first Lc Server. It was a server that I was going to use for the development of the Cruise program that I used to improve quickly my program works in C/C++. It was not open the night, but I could already progress more quickly.
It began to please to some players and rather than to improve only certain functions of the system, I decided to add new thing to the cruise such as the jobs, improved management of rentals, etc. .. Players was playing with fun, was more numerous, and I could more easily test many point of the program works.
LFS was in full period of Boom with Cruise servers what was criticized a lot on the lfsforum. The critiques came mainly of people who rarely used these *Fun* mod and didn't understand the apparition of all these servers therefore but the reason was very simple. A rule that appear on many servers is the "ENGLISH ONLY" and it's a problem for a lot of people.
All LFS players are not English-speaking and sometimes they need to be helped but only one sentence or word that are not in English and you'r kicked or banned with these bad words that go with. All these new cruise servers were for most intended to different country in order to counter this problem and to allow no-English-speaking people to be able to have fun also on a cruise between two races.
About Lc, the goal was simple, no one objection on the used language, players were free to use their native language to discuss. Many thought that this freedom would create some disputes between players but it is the opposite that happen, there was less problem than on a classic server.
2. First threats
In July, the program advanced quietly, I continued to perfect my program as well as the Cruise mod by adding him some jobs and by improving the management of the Cops&Robber system. I have begin besides to institute a simple rule for the right to become a Cadet (as the beginning of TC) : a certain distance had to be done on the server to be able to be a Cadet.
A short time after, I saw the apparition of another server under the LibertyCruise name (newly open by the NEX team). I was surprise that the name comes back a second time but my server was not active during the night, it was possible that they didn't notice it and I was therefore ready to discuss with them about that (Lc was only a development server, it was not important for me).
But unfortunately, managers of the second Lc didn't come to open the dialogue but only to threaten me and to harass me. With this lack of maturity, I prefered to do not answer and I didn't change anything, they didn't deserve my intention after that.
Thereafter, I saw that the program that they used was OpenSource Cruise available on LfsForum and that didn't do any modification. What was less laudable for them following all their threats.
After this history, that extinct quietly by the disappearance of the NEX server (not enought visitor) I have begin to mention some rules on the development server.
3. Hate us and quickly! The reason is not important.
During the next weeks, other problems began to appear. Several insult and incitement to hate us appear on the LFSForum.
Difficult to understand their incentive at this moment. Everything that I saw was a group of players more and more bigger proliferating abuses and disagreeable remarks without giving reason or proofs.
Lc was open in the silence, I didn't bawl on forums that the server was present, is pretty, is necessary to come, etc... like most teams. It was simple, Lc is open, you'r interested, you come to take a look and if that pleases you, play with other players. I was not there to incite people to come and if something could displease them, the disconnection button was accessible.
And I didn't want to add any donations way. Lc was only a Fun project for LFS, he didn't go in the direction of a race simulator and make he completely free was necessary and normal.
In spite of that, it's a complete group of pressure who come against me. And they came to harass the different players on the server in order to make the chaos and thought unjust of being banned following that. And these banishments are going to make the center of their new propaganda against us.
I worked for numerous community of different games and for the first time, I was astonished to see that such group of bad behavior peoples are not mastered, punished but, contrary, they were encouraged without anything done again them. And I discovere while discussing with other team that these kind of problem appear often and that the harcellement, the incitements to hate and sometimes the acts of racism were noticed all the days and were a part of the LFS universe.
The best thing than we could do was not to not answer their insolence and to banned them for life in order that the project can be continued.
4. The DevCruise active ? Why not...
The development continued and I was centered henceforth on the cruise program. This one was pleasing to a lot of players and what had to be an ephemeral project became my main preoccupation.
Dedicated servers were lend me generously by other player permitting to open other server as well as demo servers.
Demo servers was a surprise for me because players bought the game in order to use cruise mod with more content thanks to the S2. Whereas it was more about of drifts mods in the past. (Thereafter, demo servers was closed, abuses that I had predicted with DemoLicenses was more exact that i thinked and the situation was unmanageable).
Thereafter, I have buy my own servers. Lc didn't become anymore a simple funny project but something that needed to be functional and active. At this moment, my works only carried on the Cruise and other projects were put in pause.
5. An another strange maturity
In beginning of August, I have add a new job. It was a remake of a DrugWorld type game where the goal is to buy and to sell merchandises. Here, in order to bring some humor, I chose to use drugs names also. The goal was simple, buy it to the best price and resell it to the best price in one of the 4 houses. (I specify that the drug was only portable).
To this moment, this system was in test and I expected some unfavorable opinion about merchandise names. One more time, I was open to the dialogue and ready to change names. But the same reaction occurred and the mental age of the members of the LFS community is not anymore to prove.
The same group of pressure came back and brought back many other people with them who don't have anything in relation with this history. All the commentaries were one more time insults, sometimes, racism and all was included quite by this ridiculous (and without proofs) incitement to hate against us.
Once again, with such commentaries, I didn't change anything. They didn't deserve my intention and I was not anxious to comfort them in their movement. (Fortunately, serious and well writted commentaries comes from CLC & LTC administration members what reassured me a little because I was happy to see that some serious people are present on LFS)
6. Live information tools. Ooooh gooofy !
Mid-August, I have begin to open a Web site in order to provide a forum to the players so that they can deposit their opinions but also reports. at this moment, it was the jackpot, players complained about others for everything and whatever, taking us for goats with hundreds of report to manage every day and the free access to Cadet's rights didn't straighten out the problem. 3/4 of LFS players lack common sense a lot or appear without respect for other peoples.
In spite of all this problems, the administration team of Lc try to keep calmness all servers of best that they were able to.
7. The ShutDown
End-September, Lc and several another LFS servers were attacked. At this moment I didn't worry and I had fun to see them doing idiots on Lc but they were sometimes abusive with other players.
Players accounts were safety but a short time after the first attacks, I discovered wich exploit it was.
It was a very old exploit that dated of more than 4 years and that I had the opportunity to discover myself 2 years ago.
It had been discovered a long time ago and the developer was informed but in spite of all this time, nothing had been corrected (and numerous "Update" was done during 4 years).
Besides, at this moment the development of LFS took a arcade evolution, the game began to disgust me a little. Somethings are still waited, somethings that should be unaltered are modified anyhow, nothing evolves in the common sense and exploits are not corrected. Without counting few exploits still usable with lfsworld...
The group of pressure from LFSForum, immature players, exploits, a game that ridicules itself each update... => I shutted down Lc during the October month.
II. We retry the adventure
1. The private server
During the February month 2009, Motard intended to revive the project. Other people was formerly on Fc, and were a part of the administration team of Lc, were ready to retry the adventure.
At this moment, I was not ready to re-undergo same problems but I had started several new functions last year that concern Cadets in order to reduce abuse between players.
Therefore, we began to open a private server under the PrivateGreen name without warning no one in order to be calm.
And we invited several person to follow the continuation of the new functions of the programs.
2. An automation of the game and automatic controls
The started, last year, works was an automation of the fines in order to limit the abuses while offering some possibilities to escape from it for players. The fines could not be defined arbitrarily, it had become more and more difficult for players to contravene rules.
Then, I activated the automatic controls, for every rule that would be contravened, the Cadet gets bad points, at a certain amount of point, he loses his rights.
It reduced immensely the abuses but a lot of Cadet continued to harass players. Thereafter, certain thing have being changed penalizing the Cadets every time.
3. The return to the public and tolerance zero
When the servers became again public, the rules were simple, the administrators and officers had to not have a mercy for one players posing some problems to others.
The list of banned people was, in the beginning, impressive as well as the list of the Cadets who lost their rights.
In spite of that, the no-respectful players were always present and continued to waste us a lot of time. Gradually, every officer and administrator have begin to make themselves rarer, of fatigue, as far as reaching a point of non return.
4. Non-respected improves and useless content
In the same way to the players, problems also came from LFS was began worse and worse each update.
I even been obliged to do some modifications on the executable of LFSdedi (by using olders version) to correct the problems partially from the newly connection list when a player has some difficulties to connect.
LFSDedi is still a toy, he always operates with an useless graphic interface that makes it heavier and less efficient and less convenient. He's still not available in multi-platform either (and it's not difficult to do).
Comes then the waiting on behalf of the developers who want one more time add useless content and bring to his death the game.
And there is that pushes me to do not more open a LFS server : eploits/hack. They are numerous, much are known but never corrected. They sometimes come from stupid/beginner mistake was not be countered/views, most of time, because of an useless overcharge in the functions of the game.
One more time, we realized that developers try more to add useless trifles and that are not in the interest of the game rather than to finish and to correct the previous work. ( 3 years and we'r still waiting )
I had the opportunity to discover and to note these exploits and a lot of them are still usable. They are informed and nothing is made because they prefered to add some *blingbling*.
5. In the "Miserable" kind
Even if this year the progress of Lc seems quiet (in relation to the last year), Even today I could mention many name and text from stupid or bad behavior peoples.
As the last year, these comments use the same way : the player doesn't know anything, criticizes, insults, and complain to have been punished because he *only* harassed another players.
LFS maybe work in this way but not us.
6. Lc dies definitely
A long time ago, what interested players to buy the game was his simulation, these races.
After some year, most people who bought LFS wanted to take advantage of his simulation to do some drift. Once again, it was these tracks, these cars, this reality that atttracted all peoples.
Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise and it's the consequence of the carelessness of the developers.
LFS is not anymore what he was. certain physical update returns it to Arcade and certain *balancing of strengths* made it unbalanceed. Exploits are still there, some are silly, and are never corrected until the day where all will go badly and there a small effort, as minimal either it will, be made but that will bring other problems.
We'r leaving LFS, leaving it to his funeral destiny and to all this players who has no respect for others, of this *suplol* generation that dominates it gradually. Several big group left for certain or all these reasons that I have stated above, and today, it is our time.
III. Doomed projects
1. Soccer
For this mod, the method that I make to detect a crash and a collisions functioned marvellously. Quite a lot of code had already been written and it remained to return it fairplay in order to reward at 100% the right players (the actual success rate was about 75%).
The calculation of points had been established and players were positioned automatically on the track. Everything operated with a S2 account to do the ball.
Only some details was to solve but the main was achieved.
2. Turismo
This project was prepared last year during the 2nd month of activity of Lc.
It is about taking the gameplay of GranTurismo and to adapt it on LFS.
All main big lines and technical details had been written and resolute, the Web site for the player interface had been begun with everything as GT : a card of a city with the different dealer and purchasable piece to inflate the power of your car.
The power and the weight of the car after every operation were displayed as well as the change on the choice of the tyres.
4 tournaments been foreseen :
* 1 each week
* 1 all the 2 weeks
* 1 each month
* and finally a last each 2 or 3 months
Results were displayed on the Website and a historic was available. All your PB were also recorded.
All had been prepared as licences that had to be pass thanks to a dedicated server. Only 1 month would be needed to Code all the program.
3. Cruise : Mini games
Some miniGames was ready to make their apparition on the cruise in order to give an opportunity to rich players to spend their money or to the other to win some easily if they win their bets.
The one that was in preparation was a poker game started by going to the OldPit and with which you could bet money.
Other was rather in preparation as a RPG game complex but feasible.
IV. When is it ?
I only summarized the situation of Lc and there are already many of line.
I didn't spread different insults and other means of propagation towards us and even less the names because it was not the goal.
Nevertheless, some team disappointed me a lot because I discovered quickly that they been implanted in these business of harassments but also that they showed evidence of an amateurism without limit whereas they took the liberty to criticize us in all senses.
The servers will be shutted down in about 1 month. A more precise date will be communicated shortly.
This time, all data will be deleted definitely. Players data, programs, source-codes.
it is not in our intention to retry this adventure.
The C/C++ api, you will have understood it, will never be distributed. I saw too much bad behavior peoples on the LFS community to be fixed about that. I don't work to have some insulte in return but for the friendship.
We will regret all the people who had fun with us in the respect of the other and in the friendship.
Farewell and good luck, while hoping that LFS didn't finish to the death as he's going actually.
The LibertyCruise team without the officer redman (banned recently)
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[LC] Liberty-Cruise is Back!!!
[Lc]LibertyCruise 1
This website was today unavailable, therefore here a copy:
I. The first time
1. The beginnings of Lc. Why a new cruise ?
In early June 2008, i wanted to make destruction derby server opposing two teams with a UF1 to push in the enemy lines. In other words, a football match where crash would generate points.
In order to implement this system, I needed to create a insim program but most current API was available in C# (a programming language that i hate : too limited, too heavy and unstable) so I started to write mine in C/C++ what seemed to me most appropriate for this type of application.
My purpose was to make it complete and simple to use in order to distribute it under the GPL license for the benefit of other players, and maybe to work on with them.
I therefore begin to write what will become LiS during the development Lc. For the develop, i needed to try it on a context well known and who attract many players in order to adapt it better to the functioning of LFS. I therefore propose to the team Fc (FrenchCruise) to develop a Cruise program for them.
The development progressed very quickly and in less than some days, a very basic Cruise was functional and in less than a month i added much of functions available on main Cruise present on the LFS network.
Result of misunderstanding with the administration of the FC team (material and human) I opened the first Lc Server. It was a server that I was going to use for the development of the Cruise program that I used to improve quickly my program works in C/C++. It was not open the night, but I could already progress more quickly.
It began to please to some players and rather than to improve only certain functions of the system, I decided to add new thing to the cruise such as the jobs, improved management of rentals, etc. .. Players was playing with fun, was more numerous, and I could more easily test many point of the program works.
LFS was in full period of Boom with Cruise servers what was criticized a lot on the lfsforum. The critiques came mainly of people who rarely used these *Fun* mod and didn't understand the apparition of all these servers therefore but the reason was very simple. A rule that appear on many servers is the "ENGLISH ONLY" and it's a problem for a lot of people.
All LFS players are not English-speaking and sometimes they need to be helped but only one sentence or word that are not in English and you'r kicked or banned with these bad words that go with. All these new cruise servers were for most intended to different country in order to counter this problem and to allow no-English-speaking people to be able to have fun also on a cruise between two races.
About Lc, the goal was simple, no one objection on the used language, players were free to use their native language to discuss. Many thought that this freedom would create some disputes between players but it is the opposite that happen, there was less problem than on a classic server.
2. First threats
In July, the program advanced quietly, I continued to perfect my program as well as the Cruise mod by adding him some jobs and by improving the management of the Cops&Robber system. I have begin besides to institute a simple rule for the right to become a Cadet (as the beginning of TC) : a certain distance had to be done on the server to be able to be a Cadet.
A short time after, I saw the apparition of another server under the LibertyCruise name (newly open by the NEX team). I was surprise that the name comes back a second time but my server was not active during the night, it was possible that they didn't notice it and I was therefore ready to discuss with them about that (Lc was only a development server, it was not important for me).
But unfortunately, managers of the second Lc didn't come to open the dialogue but only to threaten me and to harass me. With this lack of maturity, I prefered to do not answer and I didn't change anything, they didn't deserve my intention after that.
Thereafter, I saw that the program that they used was OpenSource Cruise available on LfsForum and that didn't do any modification. What was less laudable for them following all their threats.
After this history, that extinct quietly by the disappearance of the NEX server (not enought visitor) I have begin to mention some rules on the development server.
3. Hate us and quickly! The reason is not important.
During the next weeks, other problems began to appear. Several insult and incitement to hate us appear on the LFSForum.
Difficult to understand their incentive at this moment. Everything that I saw was a group of players more and more bigger proliferating abuses and disagreeable remarks without giving reason or proofs.
Lc was open in the silence, I didn't bawl on forums that the server was present, is pretty, is necessary to come, etc... like most teams. It was simple, Lc is open, you'r interested, you come to take a look and if that pleases you, play with other players. I was not there to incite people to come and if something could displease them, the disconnection button was accessible.
And I didn't want to add any donations way. Lc was only a Fun project for LFS, he didn't go in the direction of a race simulator and make he completely free was necessary and normal.
In spite of that, it's a complete group of pressure who come against me. And they came to harass the different players on the server in order to make the chaos and thought unjust of being banned following that. And these banishments are going to make the center of their new propaganda against us.
I worked for numerous community of different games and for the first time, I was astonished to see that such group of bad behavior peoples are not mastered, punished but, contrary, they were encouraged without anything done again them. And I discovere while discussing with other team that these kind of problem appear often and that the harcellement, the incitements to hate and sometimes the acts of racism were noticed all the days and were a part of the LFS universe.
The best thing than we could do was not to not answer their insolence and to banned them for life in order that the project can be continued.
4. The DevCruise active ? Why not...
The development continued and I was centered henceforth on the cruise program. This one was pleasing to a lot of players and what had to be an ephemeral project became my main preoccupation.
Dedicated servers were lend me generously by other player permitting to open other server as well as demo servers.
Demo servers was a surprise for me because players bought the game in order to use cruise mod with more content thanks to the S2. Whereas it was more about of drifts mods in the past. (Thereafter, demo servers was closed, abuses that I had predicted with DemoLicenses was more exact that i thinked and the situation was unmanageable).
Thereafter, I have buy my own servers. Lc didn't become anymore a simple funny project but something that needed to be functional and active. At this moment, my works only carried on the Cruise and other projects were put in pause.
5. An another strange maturity
In beginning of August, I have add a new job. It was a remake of a DrugWorld type game where the goal is to buy and to sell merchandises. Here, in order to bring some humor, I chose to use drugs names also. The goal was simple, buy it to the best price and resell it to the best price in one of the 4 houses. (I specify that the drug was only portable).
To this moment, this system was in test and I expected some unfavorable opinion about merchandise names. One more time, I was open to the dialogue and ready to change names. But the same reaction occurred and the mental age of the members of the LFS community is not anymore to prove.
The same group of pressure came back and brought back many other people with them who don't have anything in relation with this history. All the commentaries were one more time insults, sometimes, racism and all was included quite by this ridiculous (and without proofs) incitement to hate against us.
Once again, with such commentaries, I didn't change anything. They didn't deserve my intention and I was not anxious to comfort them in their movement. (Fortunately, serious and well writted commentaries comes from CLC & LTC administration members what reassured me a little because I was happy to see that some serious people are present on LFS)
6. Live information tools. Ooooh gooofy !
Mid-August, I have begin to open a Web site in order to provide a forum to the players so that they can deposit their opinions but also reports. at this moment, it was the jackpot, players complained about others for everything and whatever, taking us for goats with hundreds of report to manage every day and the free access to Cadet's rights didn't straighten out the problem. 3/4 of LFS players lack common sense a lot or appear without respect for other peoples.
In spite of all this problems, the administration team of Lc try to keep calmness all servers of best that they were able to.
7. The ShutDown
End-September, Lc and several another LFS servers were attacked. At this moment I didn't worry and I had fun to see them doing idiots on Lc but they were sometimes abusive with other players.
Players accounts were safety but a short time after the first attacks, I discovered wich exploit it was.
It was a very old exploit that dated of more than 4 years and that I had the opportunity to discover myself 2 years ago.
It had been discovered a long time ago and the developer was informed but in spite of all this time, nothing had been corrected (and numerous "Update" was done during 4 years).
Besides, at this moment the development of LFS took a arcade evolution, the game began to disgust me a little. Somethings are still waited, somethings that should be unaltered are modified anyhow, nothing evolves in the common sense and exploits are not corrected. Without counting few exploits still usable with lfsworld...
The group of pressure from LFSForum, immature players, exploits, a game that ridicules itself each update... => I shutted down Lc during the October month.
II. We retry the adventure
1. The private server
During the February month 2009, Motard intended to revive the project. Other people was formerly on Fc, and were a part of the administration team of Lc, were ready to retry the adventure.
At this moment, I was not ready to re-undergo same problems but I had started several new functions last year that concern Cadets in order to reduce abuse between players.
Therefore, we began to open a private server under the PrivateGreen name without warning no one in order to be calm.
And we invited several person to follow the continuation of the new functions of the programs.
2. An automation of the game and automatic controls
The started, last year, works was an automation of the fines in order to limit the abuses while offering some possibilities to escape from it for players. The fines could not be defined arbitrarily, it had become more and more difficult for players to contravene rules.
Then, I activated the automatic controls, for every rule that would be contravened, the Cadet gets bad points, at a certain amount of point, he loses his rights.
It reduced immensely the abuses but a lot of Cadet continued to harass players. Thereafter, certain thing have being changed penalizing the Cadets every time.
3. The return to the public and tolerance zero
When the servers became again public, the rules were simple, the administrators and officers had to not have a mercy for one players posing some problems to others.
The list of banned people was, in the beginning, impressive as well as the list of the Cadets who lost their rights.
In spite of that, the no-respectful players were always present and continued to waste us a lot of time. Gradually, every officer and administrator have begin to make themselves rarer, of fatigue, as far as reaching a point of non return.
4. Non-respected improves and useless content
In the same way to the players, problems also came from LFS was began worse and worse each update.
I even been obliged to do some modifications on the executable of LFSdedi (by using olders version) to correct the problems partially from the newly connection list when a player has some difficulties to connect.
LFSDedi is still a toy, he always operates with an useless graphic interface that makes it heavier and less efficient and less convenient. He's still not available in multi-platform either (and it's not difficult to do).
Comes then the waiting on behalf of the developers who want one more time add useless content and bring to his death the game.
And there is that pushes me to do not more open a LFS server : eploits/hack. They are numerous, much are known but never corrected. They sometimes come from stupid/beginner mistake was not be countered/views, most of time, because of an useless overcharge in the functions of the game.
One more time, we realized that developers try more to add useless trifles and that are not in the interest of the game rather than to finish and to correct the previous work. ( 3 years and we'r still waiting )
I had the opportunity to discover and to note these exploits and a lot of them are still usable. They are informed and nothing is made because they prefered to add some *blingbling*.
5. In the "Miserable" kind
Even if this year the progress of Lc seems quiet (in relation to the last year), Even today I could mention many name and text from stupid or bad behavior peoples.
As the last year, these comments use the same way : the player doesn't know anything, criticizes, insults, and complain to have been punished because he *only* harassed another players.
LFS maybe work in this way but not us.
6. Lc dies definitely
A long time ago, what interested players to buy the game was his simulation, these races.
After some year, most people who bought LFS wanted to take advantage of his simulation to do some drift. Once again, it was these tracks, these cars, this reality that atttracted all peoples.
Today, what does interest players? The cruise, and yes, nothing else. Every new S2 player is only attracted by the cruise and it's the consequence of the carelessness of the developers.
LFS is not anymore what he was. certain physical update returns it to Arcade and certain *balancing of strengths* made it unbalanceed. Exploits are still there, some are silly, and are never corrected until the day where all will go badly and there a small effort, as minimal either it will, be made but that will bring other problems.
We'r leaving LFS, leaving it to his funeral destiny and to all this players who has no respect for others, of this *suplol* generation that dominates it gradually. Several big group left for certain or all these reasons that I have stated above, and today, it is our time.
III. Doomed projects
1. Soccer
For this mod, the method that I make to detect a crash and a collisions functioned marvellously. Quite a lot of code had already been written and it remained to return it fairplay in order to reward at 100% the right players (the actual success rate was about 75%).
The calculation of points had been established and players were positioned automatically on the track. Everything operated with a S2 account to do the ball.
Only some details was to solve but the main was achieved.
2. Turismo
This project was prepared last year during the 2nd month of activity of Lc.
It is about taking the gameplay of GranTurismo and to adapt it on LFS.
All main big lines and technical details had been written and resolute, the Web site for the player interface had been begun with everything as GT : a card of a city with the different dealer and purchasable piece to inflate the power of your car.
The power and the weight of the car after every operation were displayed as well as the change on the choice of the tyres.
4 tournaments been foreseen :
* 1 each week
* 1 all the 2 weeks
* 1 each month
* and finally a last each 2 or 3 months
Results were displayed on the Website and a historic was available. All your PB were also recorded.
All had been prepared as licences that had to be pass thanks to a dedicated server. Only 1 month would be needed to Code all the program.
3. Cruise : Mini games
Some miniGames was ready to make their apparition on the cruise in order to give an opportunity to rich players to spend their money or to the other to win some easily if they win their bets.
The one that was in preparation was a poker game started by going to the OldPit and with which you could bet money.
Other was rather in preparation as a RPG game complex but feasible.
IV. When is it ?
I only summarized the situation of Lc and there are already many of line.
I didn't spread different insults and other means of propagation towards us and even less the names because it was not the goal.
Nevertheless, some team disappointed me a lot because I discovered quickly that they been implanted in these business of harassments but also that they showed evidence of an amateurism without limit whereas they took the liberty to criticize us in all senses.
The servers will be shutted down in about 1 month. A more precise date will be communicated shortly.
This time, all data will be deleted definitely. Players data, programs, source-codes.
it is not in our intention to retry this adventure.
The C/C++ api, you will have understood it, will never be distributed. I saw too much bad behavior peoples on the LFS community to be fixed about that. I don't work to have some insulte in return but for the friendship.
We will regret all the people who had fun with us in the respect of the other and in the friendship.
Farewell and good luck, while hoping that LFS didn't finish to the death as he's going actually.
The LibertyCruise team without the officer redman (banned recently)
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How to stop a replay automatic at the end?
Hello, i have to make some chatlogfiles with some replays. And always when the replay run at end, it restart automatic. How to disable auto repeat replays?
Hello developers
LFS need new tracks and a track editor. We want help to make new content.
Always drive the same tracks is to boring....
LFS have the best physics at all. @ devs, maybe you cant do this allone, u need some employees i guess.
Why you don´t u let the community help to make new content?
LFS need new tracks and a track editor. We want help to make new content.
Always drive the same tracks is to boring....
LFS have the best physics at all. @ devs, maybe you cant do this allone, u need some employees i guess.
Why you don´t u let the community help to make new content?
Sorry, i have not installed the Z10, because not enoug change is made. I have Z9 and i guess i was online with Z9 at servers with Z3 before somebody changed the possibility.
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