Quote from hyntty :

That is not completely random. You can't do random with javascript iirc

It's random enough.

Quote from boothy :

Joe, noticed the race format and I have to take issue with the grid order for race 3 - the reverse position should not be fixed, it should be random so nobody tries to hang back and get on pole for race 3 - the BTCC does this, a random reversal point between 6 and 10 inclusive (changed from your method a few years ago) and IIRC so does the WTCC.

Yeah I know - the problem is how to randomize the reversal And I had written the rules that way before thinking it may be a bit complex.

The only way I can think of doing it is to literally pick the number out of a hat - thus ensuring a random reversal Either me or the admin on the day will pick this number from said hat. Consider it changed! (Changed back to what I intended to be honest!)

Quote from hyntty :

If 18 people show up I'm surprized.

You're right - I shouldn't turn anyone away.

Tomhah, I'll PM you the details.

Quote from Tomhah :

Is it still possible to "Be intrested"? :P

We do already have 10 or so reserve drivers, Tomhah - I could add you to the reserve list but honestly I can't see 10 drivers pulling out of the event before Sunday.

Once Sunday's meeting has been held, we'll be looking at when the best time in the New Year is to start the full 2009 iTCC Championship. It won't be long after the New Year, that's for sure.

Quote from GreyBull [CHA] :

Is that make a problem if I haven't my definitive for the test-race? Because I'd like to work in the VWS this week, so I won't have so much time to create a nice skin during the rest of the week.

As long as it has a numberplate and number on, that's fine..

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

Hmm 20, is it a big problem if i make it 57

Awell i dont see the number myself while driving anyway

uhm times i know i did 2 timed laps but what that was hmm

2.46? or 56 dunno

Sorry Rudy, the reason I have given everyone numbers is because (my fault) I didn't ask at the beginning what numbers people wanted to use.

To be honest, I haven't got the time now to update number lists with everyone's favourite number, which is what would happen if I let everyone choose their numbers. So I hope you'll understand that for this race, everyone will be using the numbers I've given them.

Again, an oversight on my part so my apologies there - for the proper championship season number choice will be open (apart from number 1 - no'ones the champion in the 1st season are they)

Hi Racers,

Your numbers are now available. Please follow the instructions on the first post at the start of this thread.

Make sure your numbers are displayed correctly on the supplied numberplate.

Also make sure you have uploaded your skins to LFS World.

Lastly, make sure your 'in-game' name is in the correct format, e.g.:

2 D.Zanetti

I will be passwording the server TONIGHT sometime, before I do so I will PM every driver with the password. Please do not release this password publicly as it would mean having to change the password and inform every driver all over again.

Thankyou everyone for your interest so far, and may I wish you all the best of luck for Sunday's racing.

Cheers

Joe Keaveney (iTCC Admin)

Quote from TFalke55 :

joe? would the NDR skins be fine just for the pre-season event

Yes definitely Thilo, just fine the way they are

Quote from boothy :

Regards the numberplate, I think it should be as close to the B/WTCC style as possible, it should be as close to the edge of the door as possible and should have editable text, for adding your chosen number. Then the layer should be made available to us, so that it can be added to a Pro Kit, ready for skinning.

Quote from Dizzydarryn :

@Joe: wrt the number plates. where exactly should we be placing them. I have placed mine behind the doors, david has placed him in front of the doors.

Thanks for the idea, Boothy! Excellent idea! Here is the FINAL numberplate kit, consider this one the kit that should be used for both this race meeting and the iTCC championship itself. Don't worry though if you've already skinned and it's different, I'm not that uptight about it for this race.

Here is the link

iTCC Pro-Kit

Included is the Master Skinnerz Blank Pro-Kit and readme, thankyou very much to those guys for making such great kits!

Darryn, take a look at the kit, my friend. I would like the numbers to be as close to the forward edge of the door as possible.



Like this!

Cheers!

Joe

Wow! I've only been away since yesterday (for the Race of Champions.....DC rocked! - No really!) and all these posts!.....

I'll add the names to the reserve list tomorrow (just wanted to let you guys know I'm here and reading these posts), and I'll sort out the numberplate kit - thankyou Thunderhead! - I'll take a look tomorrow!

Thanks all, for the interest so far, I'm really impressed with the enthusiasm shown by everyone! Keep the questions and the post coming. I'll be PMing you guys shortly to let you know the server password and the rules.

Cheers!

Joe Keaveney (iTCC Admin)

Quote from hansonator69 :

An FXO support category sounds awesome.

Is it possible to drive in both the FXR and FXO support races when the FXO support category is up and running? (double duty racers)

I don't see why not. FXO support races would certainly be possible but we need to make sure that we can run a good meeting first before we look at any expansion of the the series.

Quote from CELTIC100 :

Put me down for this too

Can I have just a little more info, please?

Real Name would be a start

Thanks

Quote from hyntty :

So would this be somewhat alright (kudos to Falke for this 1337ness)

Yeah, I think so. Good enough!

Not quite the same, but to be honest, I prefer the iTCC logo on the white background. Wouldn't mind seeing the same skin with a border around the numberplate.

If you do change the numberplate to how i described, can you please post-up the PSD of the numberplate kit for others?

Cheers! And thanks for posting the pic, nice skins!

Hi guys,

Well we are now fast approaching the limit of how many drivers we can fit on the server. 24-26 drivers is as many as we can do - we have a 32-slot server but at least 4 of those places are needed for admin/TV slots and we'd like to have a couple spare for contingencies.

Which means that, with 22 drivers registered, we have 2-4 slots left.

If these remaining slots are filled, we will open a reserve list for drivers who register after the last slot is filled. Any no-shows on the day (not present on the server 15 minutes before Open Practice) will be replaced on a 'first-come,first-served' basis by the names on the reserve list.

Hope that's simple and clear enough, can't wait to get this event underway!

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

and is there any server online where its only possible to drive these restrictions so that not some guys drive there with 0% restriction aswell quite anoying for testing / compairing ^^,

Yeah certainly.

Everybody - if you look for ICON Server 1 on LFS you should find the server set up for FXR at 32% at AS6 (AS GT). You're free to practice there as much as you like guys.

Cheers!

Joe

Quote from Rudy van Buren :

In-Game Name: F1RST R.v.Buren
LFSW UserName: Rudy van Buren
Team: F1RST Racing

Nice idea to do it like this with the restrictions,
but isnt it a option to get the xrr quite equal to the fxr? so we got not only 1 car type on track ?

I imagine it would be fairly easy to get the XRR to be close to equal performance as the FXR, Rudy - the only problem is the style of the car (XRR) is not that of a touring car (in my opinion of course)

The FXR is the only one of the 'GTR' cars that looks like a touring-car (well similar to DTM?) - the XRR and FXR to me look like GT2 cars, and of course, that's not what this series is about.

In an ideal world, I'd like 2 touring-cars in LFS, one RWD and one FWD - but of course the beauty of LFS is we race with what we have. So it's FXR for this championship Besides I think the restricted 4WD nature of the cars will make for pretty close racing

Quote from N23 :

Yep sign up me up also, I'm from Australia just like Matt Lopino.

In-Game Name: GRA1NG3R
LFSW UserName: N23
Team: FBI Racing

Quote from TJLRacing :

Can I sign up to?

In-Game Name: BirelKF3
LFSW UserName: TJLRacing
Team: None <Privateer>

I've added you mate, can you edit your post to include your real name please?

Also can Boothy please let me know his real name? Cheers mate!

Last edited by Joe_Keaveney, Mon, 8 Dec 2008 13:07.

Quote from TFalke55 :

photo is a bit problematic at the moment, cause I don't have an acutell one of me (only some two years ago or some lying drunken in a dark corner )... about other information: well if deko does commentary, real name shouldn't be too hard for him to be serious. Real name, contry, age and things like that, but also I could think of something like this: http://www.speedsport-magazine ... aphy/Jordi-Gene-,284.html
some notable thinks I reached in LFS and some of my (poor) CTRA stats That'd be quiet something I'd share

Yes that's a good idea, and certainly the sort of information a commentator will want to have to describe a person's 'racing history'.

It will be no problem at all to display this information on the iTCC website.

At the moment we need a commentator for the pre-season race, I can do it but I'd rather leave it to an experienced person, I'm busy enough..

Well whenever you can provide a photo will be enough, haven't you got a mobile phone with a camera though?

Anyway, thanks for the info, of course we should definitely have the racing careers of the drivers displayed. Good one mate!

Quote from TFalke55 :

will this be madentory for this test event, or are these things just plans for the season.

None of it is mandatory - the info you choose to give is up to you, however the after-race videos, along with the broadcast commentary, will benefit so much more IMO by having this information available. Particularly the driver photos, presenting the grid line-up with driver photos next to the name just adds that extra bit of sparkle.

I'll be PM-ing people very soon (either tonight or Sunday - not here Saturday) to ask if they'd like to provide this information.

What's your opinion, TFalke55, will you be interested in providing this sort of info?

Further to my earlier post regarding 'Driver Profiles' - I forgot to say - I would like with your permission, drivers, to include a profile photo of you both on the website and on the after-race highlights video.

This looks both more professional (on the website), and also, it means i can include your faces on video clips such as the grid line-up , driver gaps, championship tables, that sort of thing.

ALSO, team logos would be nice, for the same reason - championship tables.

I'll PM the interested parties soon for the information. Like I say guys, it's up to you what information you wish to give, if any. But I do think this will make a better show both for you the drivers, and for people watching the highlights videos.

Quote from Dizzydarryn :

Something we did in SA production cars which i never picked up from your quote was the "reduction" of ballast on poor results, or "unsuccsseful" results. This could be granted from positions 6- 10 for example in the reverse order of the "sucsess" ballast perhaps.

Thanks Darryn for your comments....this idea intrigues me. On thinking about the old WTCC rules (posted earlier by me in this thread), the ballasts are scrapped and recalculated after every round. So in effect, a poor result from an otherwise well-performing driver will result in a reduction of ballast.

So, for example, let's take a driver who has competed in 3 rounds of the championship (9 races overall) and has 30 points.

In the last (3rd) round, he finished 5th, 5th, and 8th in the three races. The sum of his points in the round made him 6th overall for that round. Therefore, he would take 5kg into the next (4th) round plus 1kg for every championship point he has scored in the whole championship - 35kg in total. The effect of underperforming on a round by round basis therefore is to lower your ballast.

What I would say is that the scoring of championship points using this system is going to 'saturate' at certain point. Once you have reached 70 championship points, you're stuck on 70kgs ballast no matter how well or how badly you perform. This is a weakness that I need to think about and address. Either we award 1kg of ballast for every 2 or 3 championship points scored, or we award less championship points to each driver. Different ways to achieve the same result.

Quote from Dizzydarryn :

I think this is gonna be an awesome series, im trying to get my fellow SA guys to join up as well!

Thanks mate, I think so too! We have such good drivers in the LFS leagues, I'm confident we'll have a great season

Quote from boothy :

Tracks: Going by the WTCC, most tracks are 3-5km in length, while BTCC tracks are all 2-4km. Touring car racing tends not to lend itself to the big long tracks, but smaller more exciting ones (obviously not too small )

Tracks I'd say you have to choose from (+ the reversed tracks): BL1, S04, S05, FE2, FE3, KY2, WE1, AS2, AS3, AS7 - plenty of choice! Gotta have some short and some long IMHO.

Yeah good point, we'd rather err on the side of slightly too large than too small. Too small IMO would result in too many crashes which whilst spectacular is not good racing. So 4-5km is going to be the benchmark (although I know -AS GT is 8km:shrug

Quote from boothy :

On the setup issue MP brought up, don't think you can use insim to check that, but doing random spot checks on people would work as it's just like scrutineering in real life - and since everyone knows the rules heavy penalties would be issued to deter people!

We could do random spot checks but we haven't yet tested the FXR in it's FWD/RWD 5%/95% configuration, and to be honest we haven't time to test it, and neither have the racers to work on setups. Besides it's easier to drive (and more inclusive - and fun) which will hopefully attract a good field of racers.

Quote from boothy :

Race format: I think 3 races of equal length would be the best way to do it. Having a 3rd feature just complicates matters, and lengthens the whole event. Have you thought about how long each race should be? I would be going for the amount of laps to equal 20 minutes - just under what the BTCC aim for in terms of time per race.

I think that's a brilliant idea and (pending discussion with teammates) we'll be implementing that. We will probably shorten qualifying and practice, and produce 3 equal length races, with 10 minutes break between each race. Thankyou!

Quote from boothy :

Ballast: The BTCC ballast system seems easier than the WTCC one (like most things the WTCC copies from the BTCC :P) - nice and simple, 45/36/27/18/9 for the top 5. I think this is easy to control using Lapper, just put the usernames in the system and they'll have to have it right before they race?

Or we could press F11 to check during the race? Yeah, another good success ballast system there. Not relevant for the warm-up event, however for the 2nd round of the full championship we will need to have it sorted.

Quote from boothy :

A few other issues:
Safety Car?
Points - why not just use the BTCC system?
Teams/Independents championship?

Safety Car - Mr T. Madl (ICON TOM) will be the Safety Car driver.
Points - Well with 3 equal length races, we'd score the races equally and may well use the BTCC system. Jury is out on that - will confirm when we've made a decision on race length.
Yes! Again something to be considered for the iTCC Championship. What I propose is to have 2-driver teams (the Works Teams) and to also allow privateers (as lone entries). So what we will have in effect is three championship tables - Drivers, Team, Privateers.

Quote from boothy :

I had to LOL @ "Leave the ‘dodgem-style’ of driving in the fairground" in your rules - if we're imitating the BTCC then you need to remove that rule!

Well that statement stands for the values we started ICON with so I hope you understand that we have that statment there for the best of reasons. We think of ourselves as clean racers and nice guys, and any racing we organize should reflect that. Although obviously I understand we're going to be seeing very close racing, so I'm not expecting to see no incidents at all! Anyway you get my point I hope.

Hi guys,

Well, development continues on the series - with your co-operation, a 'driver profile' page will be added to the website.

This will serve two purposes:

1) It will allow spectators of the series to find out about the participating drivers - the characters in the show! After all, you are the stars (in the cars), and we need to show you off

2) It gives us some information about you for our commentary.

The sort of information we'd like is:

Name
Age
Location
How long you've been sim-racing
Your wheel
What you do (student/doctor/workman/etc)
What you do away from sim-racing
Any info you want to give!

Of course, as I say, this part of the 'show' really depends on your co-operation. So it's completely up to you - if you don't want to give any info, then I understand.

Let me know if you think this is a good or idea or not. I think it adds something to the series, obviously that's just my opinion. So please feel free to make your own point of view heard

Quote from Dizzydarryn :

Hey joe, i think this is a great idea. A neat suggestion might also be the use of success ballast like in WTCC whereby the top 3 points scorers (point scorers and not necessarily fastest) after a race weekend receive ballast, 4th highest scorer retains his ballast and positions 5 downwards are allowed to reduce ballast in different amounts.

If you dont mind, im gonna pass this link on to some other guys that race in South Africa.

FYI, from the WTCC website via Google:

'The imposition of success ballast remains based on different criteria: championship points and race results.

a) according to the Championship points: 1 kg per every point scored

b) according to the sum of points obtained in the two races of each event, according to the following scale:

1st + 30 kg
2nd + 25 kg
3rd + 20 kg
4th + 15 kg
5th + 10 kg
6th + 5 kg

These ballasts will be scrapped and recalculated after each championship event.

Handicap weights a) and b) are cumulative up to a maximum of 70 kg (previously 60 kg).'

Thanks Darryn, yes we're definitely going down the route of success ballast. We've yet to test the amounts of ballast required on the FXR but I'm pretty confident they will be similar to the amounts that the WTCC use.

The WTCC also use a 30 Kg ballast for any driver's first-time entry into the championship, for the driver's first race only - do you think we should use this rule too? I'm currently undecided, so any feedback would be welcome!

Quote from J@tko :

Yah you can make the FXR up to 95% FWD/RWD with the Torque Splitter.

I was going to say this, but for the reasons ^ I decided not to.


For my sake I hope we don't

And for those reasons - we'll be sticking to 4WD for now. So J@tko can I presume we'll be seeing an appearance behind the wheel from you?