Quote from Rdcranno :

How much would you be looking to receive off a sponsor to make the running of this league viable?

I would be willing to discuss any offers of sponsorship. Amount could be a small monthly sum to cover the servers. Maybe £20 per month or something. PM me if you are interested.

Thanks mate - thanks for picking this up for me.

In have just added an announcement to the 'General Gentlefoot Challenge Chat' forum. - http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/index.php

EVENTS CANCELLED

Had a choice of gentlefoot.com LFS work tomorrow or making a living and I chose the latter I'm afraid.

Quote from The Moose :

Defecting to iRacing are you?

No - just fed up with being taken for a complete mug. I don't see why I should spend 20 hours a week running it and spend hard earned cash on servers and a host when all bar one of my members are too tight to contribute 3.3 pence per day towards the running costs (£1 per month) which is all I was asking for.

Or make any other effort by producing race reports or videos. I am expected to do it all.

Ofcourse there are some exceptions and I again thank my members who have made contributions.

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Wed 11 Jun 2008, 15:52.

Quote from count.bazley :

I'm guessing it will be World Series by Renault he's reffering to GF.

http://www.silverstone.co.uk/php/rm_renault_ws.html

Cool - I need some more Silverstone dates

The GTTC and GFC races on the 22nd June will be the final races run by gentlefoot.com. If you would like to experience dual class racing this will be your last opportunity.

Please visit www.gentlefoot.com to enter.

Quote from bbman :

"I was being treated unfairly..." - "Get here mister, I've got everything you long for!"
Constructive? Forgive me if I see the point advertising oneself's product when somebody tells his misfortune...

Either that or your opening post is not what you're actually searching/hoping for...

My main point was that not all servers even have ban enabled. You must have noticed that I don't post on many threads these days. So surely my motivation is not just advertising my league and site (but since you give me the opportunity www.gentlefoot.com

I no longer need to drive grids numbers up by regular postings in the forum. I seem to get big grids now simply through search engine referrals and teams sites.

On the Gentlefoot.com#1 and gentlefoot.com#2 servers we rarely have wreckers. It's so rare in fact that vote bans are not enabled. A number of my memebers know the admin password and they are under strict instruction to only issue bans once the replay has been reviewed (unless the admin was watching the incident in its entirety).

So come join us on gentlefoot.com#1 for FO8 action. No bans, no wreckers, just friendly racers who share sets and work at improving everyone's skills including their own.

As a general rule when adapting sets from patch X to y you need to:

A) reduce cambers slightly
B) lower gearing slightly (making them closer too)
C) reset tyres pressures
D) reduce downforce slightly.

Certainly this is the case with the FOX.

Quote from Rdcranno :

I couldn't find the Renault series happening this weekend at Silverstone, Im going anyway, free tickets on the website

You mean Formula Renault?

It's on the same days as the BTTC which is the headline event. I guess I should actually have a listing for every series that appears on those days.

Great work! I know how tough it is trying to negotiate such deals

Quote from Glenn67 :

Well just for the sake of discussion (as gentlefoot is obviously bored )

A quick test with AI in UF1's (least setup options) arround AS Cadet Rev (short track) shows that there is a little less than 2s between the AI using the default hard track set and the AI using a set closely approximating the WR set. The fastest AI was nearly 3s off WR pace and the slowest AI using the Hardtrack set was 4.5s off WR pace.

So a quick conclusion we can draw from that is that if you are 6.6% away from WR pace then a good set might net you a gain of 2.6% closer to WR pace while improving driving skill will give you a net improvemnet of 4% closer to WR pace.

From this we can see that improving driving skill will give the greatest improvement, but we can also see that setup does play an important roll. Say 40% is down to setup and 60% is down to driving skill.

There are some factors that aren't so obvious that can change this picture dramatically though. Factors that affect you driving confidence which I belive actually tip the balance more towards 50% setup and 50% skill.

An experienced driver can take a poor set and get reasonable results out of it because they "know what they can do" and therefore have confidence that they can achieve the best the set is capable of. An inexperienced driver on the other hand is all at sea when the car behaves not as expected which sets back his confidence in the car/track combo, causing him to drive more timidly as he becomes unsure of what is possible.

So a better set to a novice driver (that is keen to learn) will increase the speed at which his driving skill improves by giving him more confidence in the car/track combo.

My personal opinion is that sets and driving skill is optimised when they develop side by side, you shouldn't really seperate the two.

So advice to a novice driver that is 6% or more away from WR pace would be to get a decent set they like then practise at improving their driving skill till they are within 2-3% of WR pace.

From that point onwards set development and skill development are much more closely related.

Nice post dude. Interesting thoughts.

Recntly made a few changes to this. Check out the lovely 'ignition' button. It's so lovely it just makes me want to press it

www.motorsportevent.co.uk

Thank you for that positive feedback Mr Bird

If you are looking for a setup because you are 6+ seconds off the World record then its not the set that is the problem.

A set will find you maybe a second or two but no more on most layouts.

Discuss

Quote from Turbo Dad :

So what's your thinking behind 270 deg in profiler and 220 ingame with wheel turn compensation at 1 , when you have a G25 ?
Which car is this for,the mrt ?

Or do you change the wheel rotation per car ?

Wheel comp at 1 just means the amount of lock added is a bit more consistent.

Yeah - I change the rotation for different cars. But I nearly always drive the FOX. I would use these settings for any single seater but tend to increase the rotation for road/gtr cars.

Quote from Woz :

How far is your PB you set off the related WR btw?

Well, generally my PBs are about half a second off WR pace over a long lap. On shorter circuits I can generally get within 2 or 3 tenths.

Quote from Woz :

Most WR laps from what I know are a one shot attempt with a set done to exploit the most gains with no reguard for the mechanical sympathy of the car. If you tried to drive like that for a 50 lap race you would be in the pits every few laps or in the wall. Racing is about your overall time not lap times. Do you run slower to minimise pit time or push hoping the gains made on the track counteract the time in the pits etc.

Again, not strictly true. Have a look at the race results for the last two rounds of the GFC races (rounds 2 and 3). You can see all the race results here:

http://www.gentlefoot.com/LFS/forum/viewforum.php?f=30

You can see by the lap-by-lap results that the fox winners of both these races were running pretty close to WR (within half a second allowing for full fuel tanks) consistently for approximately 75 minutes. In both these races the eventual winners drove at this pace for the full 75 minutes without error.

That is the standard that is required to win races in the GFC nowadays.

Last edited by Gentlefoot, Thu 22 May 2008, 11:09.

well definately the power diff locking and whether the inside rear wheel is spinning or not is a combination of both things. When the inside wheel spins up the steering FFB kicks less than when both wheels are spinning but also you get the visual input of the back sliding more when both rears light up. In addition the sound of the revs rising and how it behaves is also a very big indicator of the amount of diff lock.

Front rebound I can only setup by feel through the FFB. It's all clonky and horrible when there isn't enough. If there is too much you deaden the feedback (and also understeers off curbs and stuff which is visual mainly).

FFB gives me very good feedback as to whether the car is too stiff at the back or not. If it is the steering feels very light.

So yeah, I can feel all this stuff through my G25 - wheel setup can be found here: http://gentlefoot.com/LFS/Images/LFScontrols.JPG

Quote from lerts :

i dont like this:

force beedback doesnt tell you when your front wheels are skidding

gtr2 and race 07 tell when your front wheels skid with ff becomes soft

it cant be these 2 games are wrong and lfs right

in fact im saving to buy one of this games instead of lfs but i hope in a future patch this get fixed which would bring me back

FFB is fine. I can tell when the front is sliding. I can also tell when the rear begins to slide. I can even tell the difference between one of the rear wheels spinning up or both of them.

From FFB I can tell if I don't have enough front rebound.

The FFB and other sensory information in LFS is so good that I can tell whether I need a touch more front bump damping, more front spring rate or more front ARB and these situations ALL feel different.

But then I have been playing this game for 3 years and so I have become used to the feedback it gives.

How long have you been playing? You may just need more time to get a feel for it.

True - tyre warmers are banned for all MSA events in the UK if I remember correctly. Maybe there are exemptions but I didn't think so.

Quote from BigPeBe :

Well, that's just the result of a badly organized event and rather stupid too.

So the TT is badly organised? Or the NW200? Or every WRC Rally?

Spectators are killed all the time in these events.

Was Le Mans badly organised when 77 people were killed in the 1955 event?

Motorsport is dangerous. There are signs all around all the circuits telling you this. If you choose to stand on the exit of a corner at the point of understeer you do so at your own risk.

Agree - road tyres won't give you enough grip for the rollover. In the XFR it happens all too easily even with a race set. Just clip a curb with a bit of steering lock on and over you go.

Quote from danowat :

TZR? pha, I had an RD125LC, now THAT was a machine

The Widow Maker is the one - RD350LC - classic bike.

I'd wait until I got my full licence and then would by a 600cc sports bike of some sort.

The little 125s/250s are so light with such skinny little tyres they blow about all over the place in the wind. Not funny sometimes.

Also, on a bigger fatter looking bike car drivers will give you a little more respect if you ever filter past them. On smaller bikes it gets them really riled. I remember when I was learning on a little SR 125 thingy. Never give you any room at all if they see a small bike and L plates.

My favourite forms of motorsport are always grass roots stuff. I like motorsport where there really is danger, for spectators and drivers alike.

Nothing better than having to turn and run cos someone has got it wrong and they are heading straight for the tyres 2 metres in front of you.

I like motorsport where you can wander into the paddock and any of the competitors will happily tell you what mods they've done and where to get the best burger.

I like motorsport where there are no crowds and you can puff away on the old 'Mary' and no one gives a monkeys

But most of all, these types of motorsports are best cos it is nearly always free to get in and I'm totally scint right now.