Team Name: ConeDodgers
Number: 15
Car: FZR
Drivers
C. Brösicke (Damion1972) GER
A. Slocombe(candyslokes) GRN

Hello

I have a question.
Could I drive for the Condodgers team?
Because we have only one driver for the next race.And we didn`t know what at the next races happen.

I know I have some IGTC races.(last race 2years ago)

If you must decide that I couldn`t drive, then CD must quit this season at the GTAL.

Conedodgers team

Team Name: ConeDodgers
Number: 15
Car: FZR
Drivers
T.Johannessen (tojo) NOR
A.Slocombe(candyslokes) GRN
S.Bachem (HansMaulwurf) DEU
T. Reimann TobiTobsen) DEU

here we are.

ConeDodgers

Hello
I wait now for nearly 3 weeks about the aplication answer for ConeDodgers.
Is it possible that we get a answer at the next days pleas.

We have made oure application.

Quote from DoC_uk :

As you have all of 6 months in lfs , go hijak some other topic

How much time must somebody spend at LFS for the right to say something in the forum?

Quote from Tomhah :

You have not thought of that teams can have slower and inexperienced drivers, have you? No, you havent.

CoRe Racing does not use any proes in GTAL (if we even is gonna drive). That will be FAR AWAY from our points, and of course, CoRe Racing would never use any proes in an amateur league for winning. If we are gonna have a team in GTAL, its gonna be for our inexperienced drivers, who has barerly done any endurance racing. The results here is not important for us, as long as the drivers get experience. Im talking from my own point of view, but NONE would allow drivers like Phil Diaz, Nolan Scott or Rik De Jong in GTAL, as they have a lot of experience, and has done a lot of endurance races. But CoRe Racing does also have talents, and drivers who DONT have much experience in endurance racing (if at all), like Lennart De Jong, Yannick and Roland maybe. (Roland has done ONE race in MoE, where he finished 15th). Kenneth is soon or already ready for IGTC/MoE, since he has now tried to do as many endurance races as possible.

etc etc etc... The list goes on. Lets take an example for your team. Lets say you have one driver who has done one race in IGTC, and he is one of the drivers you want to use for GTAL, as he wont have the chance to drive in IGTC. Should he just drop endurance racing then? Or maybe he will even go as far as leaving your team, because your team can not offer what he wants.


bah... This was a lot of writing, and its very bad formated, but anyway. I hope I didnt do tooo many mistakes/write something I wasnt suppose to

Thats ok for me if you say CoRe Racing didn`t use pro drivers at GTAL that`s what I mean with gentleman agreement.

Quote from GianniC :

Checking racing hours ? Hmm. I believe that our new Admins do have better things to do than that. I don't really understand the fuzz about the issue here. It's easy and clear, why always try to bend the rules or abuse the loopholes .

GTAL is for teams who're new or reasonable new to endurance racing in LFS. If you're racing in MoE you're obviously no longer an amateur. IGTC might be borderline, then again... it's obvious that a team of nFinity eSports or Core Racing is not new to endurance racing. If your team races in MoE or IGTC, you can't race in GTAL, unless bringing in an entire new pack of drivers to endurance racing. Like this for example Core Racing can introduce their younger, unexperienced in endurance racing drivers also into the world of endurance racing while defending their team name and colours. If a driver has ever raced in MoE or IGTC he or she can not race in GTAL, like this we also avoid some pre-planning in drivers doing one season MoE, other season GTAL. Primary focus is on the drivers, secondary focus is on the teams. I believe that's pretty crystal clear and not abuseable. If one of the big teams cancel their application to IGTC or MoE in order to race in GTAL-only and "win hands down", well... guess that says enough about what kind of team that is... I doubt that will happen.

Looking forward to hear more about GTAL soon !

You forget one thing.
At Conedodgers we have more as 50 members (and we are not the only team with more as 10 members) and only 4-5 of them are drive in the IGTC/MoE and the rest say we have not the speed or the time to practice to take part at this leauges.
This guys they have the time but not the speed and expirince for the 2major leaugs would drive here to get better.
And so I disagree with you when you say only teams they didn`t take part at the IGTC/MoE could drive in the GTAL.

I think a perfect ruel for this case didn`t exist.
But the idea with the time limit isn`t bad.

What do you think about a smal gentleman agreement between all Race-Team Managers: They have to check that no racer for the GTAL haven`t to much expirence.

And is theire any chance to check every driver how much houres he/she have drive in IGTC/MoE?

Quote from Tomhah :

I just came with an idea. What about this?:

If a team has never driven in IGTC before (That a drive is in a team that havent been in IGTC/MoE), everyone in that team should be allowed to drive GTAL, but the teams that have teams in IGTC/MoE, we can have a maximum number of starts in IGTC/MoE or something (or that you review the drivers, one by one for example). Thats at least my opinion.

As there isnt easy for a team to "show what they got", to get up to MoE/IGTC, when they arent allowed to use a driver, because he has done 3-4 races for another team before. Endurance Racing is a team-sport, where every driver counts. And since this is a feeder series to IGTC/MoE, which is a team-based championship (and so is GTAL), I would like that most of the members can take part, as long as they havent done TOO many IGTC/MoE races/is way too fast, of course

Just an idea.

Good idea!

Sometimes it would be smarter to read all post in a forum bevore I say something.

But i make my post at the base of the end of the season and all the statemants about drivers they would drive in the GTAL but they couldn`t why they did some races at the major leaug.Because I starts to get the fealing that a team with a bunch of fast drivers would change the drivers between the leaugs to have at every track the best and fastest drivers combination.

Sorry for my bad english I hope you could understand what I try to say.

greatings
Broe

Good luck guys

I hope it would be a Amateur Leauge and not a waiting list for MoE/IGTC drivers they didn`t find a place to drive in this leauges.
I know`you work together with this leauges but pleas lat this leauge a Amateur leaug like the name say.

greatings
Broe

Quote from KaiKai :

nice race

broe im really sorry

for what? couldn`t remember me that we have a problem.

And thx was a funny race but the wrong car my 2nd stint was crab so I finish bevore the race was over.

greatings
Broe

couldn`t join the server have try it bevore deadline and get the NO message.

Quote from dekojester :

Hey:

#44 has been taken by the driver cbr929, so please select a different number. Reference the list in the OP of confirmed drivers to see what is not taken.

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ok have change to 99

99
DEU
Damion1972
C.Brösicke
XRR GT2

Last edited by Damion1972, Thu 13 Aug 2009, 20:49.

Quote from PMD9409 :

Never change a rule like this mid-season. If someone is not going by the rules, then they are simply not going by the rules, there is no other option. If you have to say no 148 times, then say no 148 times.

Endurance experience comes from the first 10 minutes of being in a car in IGTC/MoE, because that is how long it should take for you to get your nerves fixed. If they join the server, but timeout within the first 10 minutes then they should be allowed to race in GTAL, but if they have raced a "stint" 15, 30, or 60 minutes (depending on strategy) then they should not be allowed to race here.

Also, if it was over a year ago it still does not matter, once your nerves get over it the first time, they shouldn't be back. After-all, its just another race.

For me is the problem that the grid at IGTC/MoE is to small.
Use 2 servers for this leauges find a way to handel Yelow Flag on 2 servers and all is good.

Team Name: ConeDodgers
Car Number: 35
Drivers:
A.Slocombe [Candyslokes] GRD
T.Johannessen [tojo] NOR
A.Ampère [AProst] FRA

Quote from luki97 :

People stop trying change the rules, they are same for all, and next time think what you want to do and if you not sure something just ask admins... in 1st round i have big problem with rules (telling on chat to admins technical problem during qualifications and DT) but now I learned on my own mistake and im live with it. Admins dont want hurt you, they just care about rules and fair play for all.

Writing here to admins what rule is good and what is wrong on end of the season is funny because on the beginning all who take a part in GTAL just accept rules and the rules are good for all when season is starting. Now all crying because rules are bad...

Sometimes its better when you not start too early and collect enough experience and then later stand in higher league and GTAL is just for that, so discussions with GTAL admins dont help you because IGTC/MoE admins sometimes read what is going on here and see who dont understand rules and they dont want that in higher leagues. Finally if you dont fighting with admins its better for you.

I think normaly it`s the best point to dicus about the ruels they bring problems or didn`t work.
Because sometimes you need time to see where are the problems.

But we have here not a normal situation the Leauge Admins quit after this season so wait for the new Admin team and talk with them about ruel changing.

And +1 from me for no ruel changing in front of the last race of the season.

Team Name: Conedodgers
Car Number: 35
Drivers:
A.Ampère [AProst] FRA
A.Slocombe[Candyslokes] GRD

bad news sorry to hear this.

Ruels are ruels!
I have the same problem and couldn`t take part as a racer because I drive 6-7 IGTC races in 2 seasons and wasn`t the fastest sometimes 1sec. slower as my team made.
And we have one driver he was only 2 times in a IGTC team and he couldn`t drive here because the team finished the races at the top 10.

And the idea with the new acount is extrem.But if it`s ok we have some guys in oure team they have a 2nd acount could we try now.......?

And a guest team isn`t fair against all the teams at the waiting list.

It`s nothing against someone.

Last edited by Damion1972, Sun 14 Jun 2009, 11:37.

Quote from Mp3 Astra :

You know what IGTC and MoE do? They have the same PW for every race, and nothing seems to go wrong (apart from the legedary 'GO CONDEDODGERS' incident). It would probably make things simpler if you don't like sending PMs.

Incident is a hard word for that.
It was only a overmotivatet teammember that doesn`t know what he do at this moment.
But at that way we get oure 5min. of fame.

Quote from GabbO :

It's for the server, that info page contains this password

embarrassing starting to get red now