yeah i dont think they should make a specific drift license... might as well just buy nfs pro street or something since you get more cars and tracks... plus its more fun being able to try out different types of cars and occasionally race instead of drift
also a lot of demo drifters i know are moving to s2 because of the patch... and im glad almost all of my teammates have s2 and since i was planning on becoming a full s2 team this was a great opportunity to do so =]
But... but... they have the Formula BMW now. :geezer:
The demo is now a much better representation of what LFS is about. They finally got a formula car with slicks and downforce, in exchange for a car that was only used for drifting anyway (because for most newcomers the XRT is far too hard to race). At the same time the reversed BL config was made inaccessible, because THAT was NOT giving a more varied representation of LFS, but just more free content.
That's a good point actually. I remember when I first arrived I couldn't get a decent lap out of the bloody thing. Tyre physics weren't as good back then but I think it was more down to me being utterly rubbish.
Again, Aunt Hilda gave her old computer because she bought a new one, and parents pay for the internet. I'm a bit confused as to how this is such a difficult concept to understand that just because you have something, doesn't mean you are the one who has paid for it. I had a hand-me-down computer and *FREE* internet for years. In fact, I paid for my first computer in 1995, then went through 8 other machines before purchasing my current one in 2005.
I've heard that argument from you lots of times.
Maybe in the US, folks are giving away 'old' PCs that are powerful enough to run LFS, but I've still to see it happen here in the UK, and I imagine in many other countries it's the same. Basically, most folks 'Aunt Hilda' will only ditch their old PC when it either breaks, it can't run the new version of Word for Dimbos, or their ISP says its too old to run their broadband install disk... any PC in that situation is unlikely to be much use for LFS... like I said, maybe in the US things are different ?
With that in mind it is unlikely that many of the "I can't afford a license" demo racers are really truthfully running LFS on hand-me-down PCs!
EDIT: If on the other hand they really do have an aunt Hilda who is wealthy or stupid enough to buy a new PC every couple of years just 'because', then she's certainly wealthy or stupid enough to be tapped for the price of an S2 licence.
See now? there's no excuse which ever way you look at it
Demo users form communities and drift teams and the like without paying for the product - name another game that supports that kind of involvement for free? The Demo is a *complete product* for many users, that in itself is a BIG mistake. All other games release a demo in a way that will never satisfy the user enough to warrant not upgrading (or abandoning it completely).
There needed to be a real limitation set into the demo, and removing one of the main drift cars is exactly what was needed. Now drifters will get something they want from BUYING the game. Fancy that.
I disagree, and have elaborated why elsewhere. But I reckon the addition of a single seater to the demo is a good idea... Not for the spiteful and adolescent reason that its one in the eye for the drifters [rolls eyes upwards], but for the reason that it makes the demo more balanced... A fwd car, a rwd, and an aero assisted car. Makes loads of sense to me...
The LFS demo was and is very generous! 3 cars, one track, no time limits, even online is unlimited!
And now, people can drive entry level FWD, RWD and single seaters, exactly the cars that are in LFS, but then if you want the higher end and MO POWA! you buy S2. The formula BMW would probably convince me to buy S2 a lot better than the tintops. But that is personal.
That the demo now represents S2 a lot better is pretty much a fact and therefore a good thing. If you miss the turbo soo much, it means you play it a lot, which means you should save up for S2..
Judging from the past updates, the auto-update is always optional and not forcing you to update. However, that doesn't mean the devs will allow X hosts on the master server forever.
heh, no idea about the last 2, but rF doesn't model it at all does it? I tried (and failed) to emulate a switchable boost upgrade for my XRT conversion by doctoring the torque curves.. but this pretty much just resulted in uncontrollable wheelspin.
I'm sure LFS will model them better as time goes, but as it is currently, I wouldn't say it's anywhere close to being a selling point so to speak
Either way, the new car selection for demo is as others have said, a better representation of the full content and being an open-wheeler (while not my cup of tea), may draw some extra people in who've skipped the demo as open-wheelers are their cup of cha
Adding the FBMW to the demo is probably a very good idea. I am mostly interested in single-seaters so the demo didn't do much for me. On top of this, word had it that single-seaters weren't a strong point of LFS, so I just skipped it.
I just happened to buy it on a whim six months or so ago, just taking a chance the single-seaters would be tolerable. As it turns out they're fine and I don't regret buying it.
I think it will help. Open-wheel is pretty popular amongst sim-racers in general. I think you will find a lot of people having a second look at the demo once Y is released.
If a demo user has been using LFS for more then X number of days or X number of hours without buying a license, Id cut them off. As someone has said before, it cost money to keep them going on servers without any money going back in from their use. I dont know the stats but Im sure theres ways to find out what their conversion rate from demo to license is and how long it takes for a demo user to buy.
As for drifters...pffft, see ya! People bitch about the idea of bikes being implimented into LFS - atleast bikes are racing! Drifting, although it does take skill, is more to do with car ballet then actual racing and speed.
This matter has been discussed so many times now. Why don´t you leave it to the developers judge and to the fact that the developers of this game are probably pretty much aware of what they are doing and what´s going on towards their demo version of this game.
I myself was a demo player for almost 1 year as I realized I just had to move on towards S2 and for your info: At this time I was able to take some more players with me into the S2 world.
Other 1-hours-demo-versions I already have forgotten about...
I am leaving it up to the devs to decide but thats what I would do, bloody freeloaders.
And not that I care how long you "demoed" before buying, but Im sure the $50 for S2 was nothing compared to the cost in bandwidth you may have used up in that year...but thanks for buying eventually.
If ya like, you can lead a the DULP or Demo User Liberation Party if you feel demo users arent being treated fairly using a program, for up to a year in your case, absolutely free. :chairs:
Then it`s pretty fair.
