dint no were to post this so here goes i dont seem to have any hands on my cockpit view

has anyone got any idea why?

Check your options, you probably have them turned off

Go Options > view, and go to where it says "Wheel On, Driver Off" and just click that until it looks right.

Yeah, that's the one :up: I would've looked myself but they won't let me have LFS at work (bastards)

I'm in OSX, I didn't even look at LFS, I did that from the back of my head whilst dd-ing my windows partition on OSX into a backup .img, in case I haffto get some Applecare on this new, shiny machine. Its not Apples fault, well it is somewhat, for going with ATi for everything but the iMac that only people with more money than sperm can afford.