hello. I do a g25 shifter mod to works more tight, in a way i noticed if a touch shifter by mistake he goes neutral without using clutch. So for changing gear i need clutch, but for neutral no, dont have sense to me.My LFS settings are right, any reason for goes neutral without using clutch?

Please write it again in Portuguese because the English version does not make much sense.

Quote from cuni :

Please write it again in Portuguese because the English version does not make...

Basicamente a manete de velocidades muda para ponto morto sem ser necessário usar a embraiagem.

Tive o mesmo problema, mas aconteceu em todos os jogos, não apenas no LFS. No meu caso problema foi arranjado com a substituicao dum cabo que ligava os sensores ao PCB.

Quanto mais detalhes deres, melhor apoio terás

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hello. I do a g25 shifter mod to works more tight, in a way i noticed if a touch shifter by mistake he goes neutral without using clutch. So for changing gear i need clutch, but for neutral no, dont have sense to me.My LFS settings are right, any reason for goes neutral without using clutch?

You have a wire loose inside the shifter causing connection problems, this is a common problem in the G25 shifters if you slam the gears hard.

This was the common spot where they loosen up and can be soldered or glued back in to fix it.



https://www.lfs.net/forum/thread/39798-G25-Shifter-repair

EDIT: sorry the pic might be from the potentiometer side, if it gets loose it traps all gears up into 1st and down into 2nd Can find the culprit by following these since they connect to same bits, taping the wires up might help them not get caught between the sequential plates that hold the assembly together

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You have a wire loose inside the shifter causing connection problems, this is a...

My Shifter works good i dont have issues.I fix year ago skipping gears with velcro. Its a Lfs question, no hardware question . I hope you understand what i mean, my English is bad...

He meant that when he accidentally hit the shifter and put it into neutral, the game allowed the gear to shift to neutral without pressing the clutch. I dont remember exactly, Ill try it when I get home

Quote from Rubie :

He meant that when they accidentally hit the shifter and put it into neutral...

Yes. Thanks 🙂

But that's how real gearbox works - you can simply shift from gear into neutral,with load (either acceleration or deceleration) it's rather difficult as gears lock themselves,but without load (the moment when you release throttle) it's very easy to shift to neutral. Same with putting from neutral into gear - when you push lightly the lever to gear (not too hard to not grind),at specific rpm/speed it will jump into gear with rather low resistance - same happens in LFS,where you can shift gears without clutch with simple revmatching.
The only part that is missing between real gearbox and LFS simulation over shifter is the "force feedback" as there is no resistance of the shifter.

Interestingly Moza's went and taken their FFB Flight Stick and now offers sequential/h-pattern shifting modes with it so in thoery a dev could actually implement a proper H-pattern gear shifter with accurate resistances if they wanted

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But that's how real gearbox works - you can simply shift from gear into...

You are right about irl, i know what you mean👍. In LFS if i stop the car, i cant Change gears without clutch, just can go neutral. In a normal real life driving i always need a clutch for Change gear/neutral.

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You are right about irl, i know what you mean👍. In LFS if i stop the car, i cant Change gears without clutch, just can go neutral. In a normal real life driving i always need a clutch for Change gear/neutral.

No you don't.

You just need to release the load off the gearbox to shift out of gear and match the engine speed to go into gear.

Quote from Abone :

My Shifter works good i dont have issues.I fix year ago skipping gears with velcro. Its a Lfs question, no hardware question . I hope you understand what i mean, my English is bad...

My bad misunderstood, but if that happens you'll know in the future atleast

It's a 3D printed part most likely, just give it a bit of dremel or file treatment at the place where the gear plate restricts the shaft from going into its slot properly, until it seems to make proper contact. Depends how it looks like but it shouldn't affect the mod's function if you're careful with sanding it down

My shifter working fine, i like "short shifter" feeling and is quite. in any case i can remove velcro. Thanks everyone for the answers 👍