Thanks MrEsper, i didn't know you could read minds!
How can you be so sure? You know him? Have you been in his house? You read Avitron's post, then you "guess" that he will never buy the game no matter what, and therefore you consider he's not worth listening. You're basically talking shit about a person, just because you "think" he will do something, without having absolutely any clue that could lead you to that answer.
Listen, i can understand that you guys are angry at us, but try to be logical here. We may have our differences, we may have our mistakes, but everyone here is trying to discuss this topic in a civilized way. The post you made about Repeat's talent was great. Keep it that way.
Anyways, i will answer to you message with an example. A few years ago i started to play Minecraft with my friends (downloaded, of course). I liked the game so much that, after a few months, i bought it (it was 20$ btw). What I'm trying to say is that, if i don't buy LFS it's because i consider it's not worth the price. So, if LFS devs do something about the game that makes me think about it again (like reducing the price, or maybe a great update with good content), then i would definitely consider buying this game. I did it with Minecraft, and i will do it with LFS if a change like that happens.
First of all, i've never demanded to get back Pereulok. Pereulok is done forever, and even if i don't like that, i have to accept it. What we're talking here is the future of LFS, we're not talking about Pereulok anymore.
In any case, with the cheats thing, we can make a comparison. You've certainly downloaded films from internet at least once. Absolutely everyone here has done it. For that reason, i could be angry at you and throw your opinions to the trash can, because if you don't care about all that people who made the film possible not receiving money because you downloaded it for free, why should i care about your brain?
That's the problem. You think you have the right to mock of other's opinions just because they've done something bad. The thing is, if you have the right to do it, so do i, and the rest of us. For that reason, we could just keep mocking of every single post until we die, and never get to the point. Everyone here has done something wrong at some point of their lives, but that doesn't mean they do not have the right to talk, at least not of what they've not done wrong.
So try to be more rational with this. The only thing that guy has done is cheating. Which may not be good, but that doesn't have absolutely anything to do with how this game is dying. What he cannot talk about is about how bad cheating is, but he surely can talk about the future of this game.
The same applies to us. If you think this game goes bad because the cracked environment has grown up too much, you're sadly mistaken. This game has gone bad since the players stopped considering it a good option to buy. Although we say LFS is way overpriced, we're not saying this game is bad. Because some games may not be worth playing if they cost too much money for what they are, but if you can get it free, everything is worth the price. And that's where piracy comes from.
And that's what everyone here has to understand. If the game sells good, piracy will be low. If the game sells bad, piracy will be high. The reason of why LFSP got so big is because this game has not done good in terms of marketing. Or do you think that we've advertised about it? Of course not, the players who started playing in LFSP got there because at some point they searched on google "Cracked LFS" or "LFS free licence", or something like that. And you definitely cannot blame us for people searching for ways of cracking this game.
If so many people have searched for ways to crack this game, is because none of them have considered buying it a good option for them. That doesn't have anything to do with LFSP, and everything to do with wrong marketing strategy. And as long as people don't understand this, I'm afraid this game is completely screwed.
All this means is that you literally cannot blame us for how this game is dying. You can blame us for cracking it, but not for how bad it is doing. Therefore, piracy is not what is killing the game, and as mentioned above with R1hard example, if we playing on LFSP is not what's killing this game, you shouldn't have the right to mock of our opinions about how this game is dying, cause I'm not who's killing it.
That's not good. He may be a cheater, but that doesn't make his opinion less valid than yours. And the fact that almost everyone is doing that with us Pereulok players feels pretty annoying.
The fact that we don't play LFS legally may be understanded as stealing, as well as his way of playing is understanded as cheating. And that is, indeed, enough reason to be mad or not like us, nor him. But that doesn't mean we don't know what we're talking about. We never asked to be forgiven for what we've done, we only asked to be listened. And we haven't got that, because the bad feelings everyone has against us makes them feel our opinion is wrong.
That is why everyone answer our posts with messages like "you just give excuses" or "if you don't like it, go away", no matter of what we've said, because the only thing they see in our posts is "GIVE ME PEREULOK BACK". And that's clearly not our message. Our opinions are automatically moved to the trash can, because you guys don't trust us (probably for good reasons). But just because you don't trust me doesn't mean i can't think. We're human beings, like all of you, and so we're also capable of thinking and make our opinions based on good arguments.
R1hard is an example of this. Using cheats doesn't mean he can't use his brain, it doesn't work like that. And to be honest, i don't like most of the legit players that have talked here, i won't lie to you. But i still read their messages and try to get something good from them. The fact is that, if we didn't care about the future of this game, we wouldn't be talking with you guys right now.
Right here, the only thing that matters is that everyone here, including legit players and LFSP players, want exactly the same: future for LFS. So, hate us all you want, you're in your right to do that, but please listen to us.
I guess the problem you had with Google was exactly that you were taking down videos. Because Google is the owner of Youtube, therefore if you take videos, you're not only taking down videos about piracy, but you're also taking down a source of benefits that goes to Google. And as Google doesn't have anything to do with LFS, they dicided to stop handling your requests. Basically what they told you with that was "give me a good reason to lose money".
Like LFS, Youtube also tries to sell products, which would be the videos. And they get the benefits from the ads that shows up in those videos. Maybe you take down 10 videos, and yes, youtube has like a billion of videos, losing 10 of them wont matter at all, but they're losing benefits for reasons that doesn't have anything to do with them. From their point of view, even if the benefits lost are like 0.0000001% of what they get in total, it's still a loss for no reason, so why would they do it? Probably the reason of why they stopped handling your requests is that you were asking for help to the wrong guys.
Then, the problem of the prices is that sometimes the sellers think that, if they don't get enough benefits, they can increase the price. But then, if you increase the price, you will get less customers. Sometimes it's better to reduce the price to get more customers, so at the end you get more total benefits than before. You can see that in every single supermarket or store, putting prices as low as they can, also making special offers every day or week to attract more customers. And there they are, getting holy big benefits.
That has been my point the whole time. No matter how annoying piracy can be, from the point of view of marketing, "50 cracked players" and "50 players who dont play" means exactly the same: 0 benefits. And here, what makes the game succeed is money, because that's what gives devs the possibility of continuing the job. So, although it's important to keep the piracy under control, devs should focus on selling more and more.
And that's where the price part comes in. If you put a price for a game, you have to do it thinking about everything. If you put LFS to £36, the thing the players will see is "13 year old game... oh demo, gonna try... meh, old graphics... i can buy Forza for that money". Because yes, LFS simulation capabilities are impressive, but the rest of the modern games, they may not have such a good simulation, but they have everything else. More cars, more tracks, more gamemodes, more everything. Compared to the rest of the games, the only thing that LFS has is the simulation. Which is good, but not enough to win against those games.
So, at the end, you end up needing a way of making players chose LFS instead of anything else. Which, in this case, can be done in 2 ways:
-By increasing the games potential in the rest of areas, so, adding more tracks, more cars, more features in general.
-By decreasing the game's price, so the game will be considered as a reasonable option for a lot more players.
I'm not trying to say that LFS is not worth it's price, or that it's a bad game. But let's be honest. For us, this game is a great racing simulator. But for any other new player, LFS is just another racing game. If a person who doesn't know anything about LFS have to choose between spending £36 on LFS or £46 on Forza 6, he will decide based on the first impressions. Which are that Forza 6 has a lot more cars, a lot more tracks, a lot more things, and all that for just an extra £10? His decision will be obvious.
But if you put LFS price to, let's say, £20. His opinion about those 2 games will be the same, that forza has a lot more things. But this time, the price of Forza 6 is more than 2x the price of LFS. Suddenly choosing Forza 6 wouldn't be such an obvious decision. If players consider LFS as a good option, then a good amount of them will end up buying it. "Hey, but you only get £20 for each instead of £36". Yes... but it's better selling it for £20 and earn £20, than selling it for £36 and earning £0.
Also cargame, thanks for being nice with me, i really appreciate it.
Sorry, i dnd't explained myself correctly with that. Cause every game will have piracy, because of the few players that doesnt crack it for not having money, but just because they don't give a **** about anything.
Obviously there will always be piracy in every single game. The piracy itself is not the consequence of things going bad. The consequence of things going bad is too much piracy. If things go well, you'll still have piracy, but at an understandable level.
That's what i tried to say, sorry if i didnt explained myself correctly.
That was not my point. And if you had read my whole post, you would have known. I'm not trying to justify my actions, nor trying to say this game is bad. It's a good game, but that's not the point.
If you get, for example, 50 legit players and 50 non-legit players each month, you can get rid of those 50 non-legit players, but the only thing that changes is that you don't get 50 non-legit players each month. Yes, they wont annoy you anymore, but you're still getting only 50 legit players per month.
This is my point: there are 3 types of non-legit players:
-Players who don't care about anything and crack the game.
-Players who can't afford to buy it and crack the game.
-Players who can afford the game, but they don't consider it a good trade, so they crack the game.
With the first type there's nothing you can do, for obvious reasons. But with the second and third types, the reason is money. Maybe they can't afford it, maybe they think the price is too high... whatever. But you know for sure that, if the situations that makes them not buy the game disappears, they will buy the game.
That's my point. Piracy may be annoying, and i understand that. But selling your game is more important than getting rid of piracy. At the end, what you want as a game developer is to earn benefits. What's really important is not getting rid of those 50 non-legit players per month, but to increase the 50 legit players per month to 100 per month. And then 150. And 200. That wont happen by getting rid of piracy. No matter how much you fight against piracy, as long as you don't make ppl comfortable by buying the game, they wont buy it.
You can blame cracked players all you want, and you're in your right to do it. But if the game is going down, sorry, but laughing or getting rid of us wont fix the problem. Feel free to call me idiot, pathetic, liar... whatever you want. But that won't fix the problem. I hope it was as easy as that, but it's not.
Also, as i expected, i feel like ppl doesn't give importance to my posts, as i cracked the game. But please, read it again. I'm not trying to justify myself, i'm not trying to get Pereulok back, i'm not trying to blame you for anything. I'm just trying to make things clear, and everyone here wants that.
Sincerely, Scawen, i don't know what did you expect. I understand that you, as everyone else, need money for living. And this is your project, obviously you want to take benefit from it. But unfortunately, in this world you don't get what you want, you get what you earn. And that's where you've gone wrong.
To all Pereulok players (including myself). We have to face it. Piracy is something that cannot be justified in any way, and it will never be. There's no excuse for cracking a game, because the developers of a game created it with benefits in mind.
But, you can't justify your actions by blaming us. Piracy will always exist, and there's nothing you can do to prevent that. Therefore, the worst thing you can do is making your expectatives of project without taking in count something as important as piracy.
The problem is obvious. You guys have to admit that £36 is way too expensive for this game. If there's no excuse for cracking a game, there's no excuse for overpricing it. For whatever reasons you may had, you're charging £36 for a 13 year old game, when for that price you can pretty much buy a modern 2015-2016 racing simulator. If we take that in count, it's clear that expecting people to chose this game instead of the new ones is a big mistake.
Even if Pereulok never existed, the situation of yours would be the same. Yes, we wouldn't play cracked LFS. But we wouldn't play legit LFS either. I want you to see that the real problem is not that we crack LFS, the problem is that we don't buy it. That's the point. Of course you have to worry about piracy, as every game developer should do, but you have to see that we are not the reason of you not getting the benefits you expected. This is not like stealing a store, where the owner loses it's products. Here, the "product" is the game license, and you can give an infinite amount of them. So you're not losing anything when a player cracks your game.
You shouldn't have given such importance to Pereulok. Cause you've gotten pretty much obsessed with us cracking your game, and the real problem is that you didn't sell your game properly. Instead of worrying about piracy, you should have used that time to prepare a strong marketing strategy. Cause if you expect benefits, creating the product is not enough. You also have to know how to sell it. And that last part is where you've done wrong for the last 10 years.
You need a way of attracting players. You're future customers won't give their precious money as easy as you would like. You have to make them think that they're not wasting their money, but that they're actually investing it in something really good. If you don't, it won't matter at all how much time and work you've invested in this game, people won't buy it.
And that is what's happening to this game. It's good that you worry about piracy, but always taking in count that your wallet doesn't care about people cracking youre game, cause it wont make a difference if we crack your game or not as long as we dont put our money in your wallet.
Now, for all the legit players who have talked here, i wont lie to you, i will read the answers i will probably get, probably insulting me, or denying what i've said in some way. I just want you to know that I'm not justifying those years of me playing in Pereulok. Every game developer is in his right to get rid of illegal players. My point is that, if this game is not going well, piracy is not the reason, piracy is the consequence of the reasons that makes this game going wrong.
I hope you guys understand what i've tried to say here. That's the only thing i want. Thanks for reading this message.