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#1 - sam93
Car Designs
I have a quick question. On Car tv shows say custom my ride or american hot rod when the design the car on paper or take a mustang and customise it on paper before carrying out the work how do they get the correct shape as they draw freehand. Also when the paint it on paper are they using a airbrush gun or airbrush pens, I don't know if the pens even exist but I don't know so I asked.

If anyone has the answer please answer my question, thought this would be the best place to ask the question as there are so many playing lfs there may be a designer here or someone who knows the answer to the question.
Quote from sam93 :I have a quick question. On Car tv shows say custom my ride or american hot rod when the design the car on paper or take a mustang and customise it on paper before carrying out the work how do they get the correct shape as they draw freehand. Also when the paint it on paper are they using a airbrush gun or airbrush pens, I don't know if the pens even exist but I don't know so I asked.

If anyone has the answer please answer my question, thought this would be the best place to ask the question as there are so many playing lfs there may be a designer here or someone who knows the answer to the question.

Its all about practice I get. No special pens or airbrushes can make you draw like that without years of experience.
#3 - JJ72
Quote from sam93 :I have a quick question. On Car tv shows say custom my ride or american hot rod when the design the car on paper or take a mustang and customise it on paper before carrying out the work how do they get the correct shape as they draw freehand. Also when the paint it on paper are they using a airbrush gun or airbrush pens, I don't know if the pens even exist but I don't know so I asked.

1. by practice.

2. in one episode when JC did the design they traced it from paper.

3. the airbrush is pretty common no?
#4 - sam93
Ah ok cheers, because I need to do a design for my BMW E36 318is for when I get it because it is two years away yet gives me time to save up for the little cosmetic mods and the engine mods what will be adding about another 60bhp so it will be 200bhp and I need to design little slight cosmetic mods what will make it look the little bit faster as the engine with be faster. I can't stand all show no go has to be more go and a little show, well anyway dont need to get into the subject of modifying as this is about "Art/Design" Anyway cheers.

Any chance you could tell me why you didnt finish my team skins JJ?
#5 - ajp71
Quote from sam93 :Ah ok cheers, because I need to do a design for my BMW E36 318is for when I get it because it is two years away yet gives me time to save up for the little cosmetic mods and the engine mods what will be adding about another 60bhp so it will be 200bhp and I need to design little slight cosmetic mods what will make it look the little bit faster as the engine with be faster. I can't stand all show no go has to be more go and a little show, well anyway dont need to get into the subject of modifying as this is about "Art/Design" Anyway cheers.

Any chance you could tell me why you didnt finish my team skins JJ?

Insurance group 13 as a first car? Forget about it for at least 2 years after you've started working up a no claims bonus, and that's if you leave it standard. If you were to wish to do cosmetic mods to an E36, which only ever make you look like a tit, there's a wide range pre-made body mods for you to inflict on it that'll be far easier and cheaper than making your own.
#6 - sam93
Quote from ajp71 :Insurance group 13 as a first car? Forget about it for at least 2 years after you've started working up a no claims bonus, and that's if you leave it standard. If you were to wish to do cosmetic mods to an E36, which only ever make you look like a tit, there's a wide range pre-made body mods for you to inflict on it that'll be far easier and cheaper than making your own.

It will not be making it look like a boy racer car as Bimmers with aftermarket bodykits look stupid, I mean like cosmetic mods what you can get from BMW for it or even some other parts what dont add as much weight as the original parts. A E36 318is on the insurance for a 17 year old with pass plus what I will do to make it that little bit cheaper is about £2,600 what I am willing to pay so I have a decent car for my first not a saxo, corsa or a fiesta.
#7 - sam93
Oh and if the insurance came to look at your car they wouldnt know if your ECU was superchipped and remapped without putting it on a dyno what is going to happen to mine, proberly will tell them the mods but really they wouldnt find out about the ECU without a dyno really.
17 year old kid want a E36 for his first car, whats the first thing he does? Try to make it faster
Good luck getting any mods insured at 17. Also good to see you've plucked 60bhp out of the air. I don't know how much you plan to save up, but you're looking at the cost of the car, '£2,600' insurance - maybe - then what? I don't know anything about the BMW engines, but you ain't gona get 60bhp from an ECU remap, or chip. Factor in maybe another £1k for engine work and you're looking at a fair bit of money for a first car.

Of course you'll be declaring all modifications otherwise you're driving uninsured, and thus illegally.

A couple of my mates and I bought (like everyone else) small cars as first cars, but with reasonable, for our age, engines. They were light enough and powerful enough to have a bit of fun without killing ourselves, and were perfect for a first car. Anyone with a 'nice' car in our school got the piss ripped out of them anyway, then proceeded to crash them in the first year.
[sarcasm]That's the spirit![sarcasm]

I seriously hope you grow up in the meantime. The public road is not a track for you to test your souped-up Beemer on. Insurance is there to protect other people (and you) from your (probable) mistakes. If they find out about your super scam, that protection will be dropped and it's your ass that'll get on the dino!
Before anyone else starts to say I will be using the extra power for public road use it wont be, the extra power will be used for track days, I want be a mupit on the road who just dont care about others. About the 60bhp thats what may be able to be hit by a ecu remap and a superchip it will be tuned on a rolling road, so it can be tuned to the best of the cars ability whilst still making sure it will be safe, there will be a few minor tweaks to the engine to get this extra bhp to the car. I know the prices what it will cost as I have been talking to Alen Jeffrey who tunes engines in plymouth about mods for the cars and he has told me the prices I will be looking at.

So I know what will hit me as I have been doing my research with these cars.
Quote from Hoppers :[sarcasm]That's the spirit![sarcasm]

I seriously hope you grow up in the meantime. The public road is not a track for you to test your souped-up Beemer on. Insurance is there to protect other people (and you) from your (probable) mistakes. If they find out about your super scam, that protection will be dropped and it's your ass that'll get on the dino!

"souped up"lol, engine mods are the best to go for because that is where the proper modifying is at, I will not be using the public road as a test track, thats why there are track days where I will be using the extra power. Anyway the 318is needs a little bit more torque for around town in traffic so the ECU mods will come in handy for that extra torque delivery.

I will post pics of the car when it finished and it wont look nothing like a boy racers car.
Quote from pb32000 :Good luck getting any mods insured at 17. Also good to see you've plucked 60bhp out of the air. I don't know how much you plan to save up, but you're looking at the cost of the car, '£2,600' insurance - maybe - then what? I don't know anything about the BMW engines, but you ain't gona get 60bhp from an ECU remap, or chip. Factor in maybe another £1k for engine work and you're looking at a fair bit of money for a first car.

Of course you'll be declaring all modifications otherwise you're driving uninsured, and thus illegally.

A couple of my mates and I bought (like everyone else) small cars as first cars, but with reasonable, for our age, engines. They were light enough and powerful enough to have a bit of fun without killing ourselves, and were perfect for a first car. Anyone with a 'nice' car in our school got the piss ripped out of them anyway, then proceeded to crash them in the first year.

Well, obviously I wont doing big mods to the car straight away as it would be stupid on the insurance, maybe just a sports approved bmw are filter and a sports approved bmw exhaust what Alan Jeffrey has recommended and after about a year to 2 years go for a ECU remap and Superchip as then the insurance wont be as bad.
I have done my research with insurance quotes and mods and I know what I am getting into and for those who say I will crash the car in my first year of having it, hopefully I wont if I do it will proberly be someone going into me, Hopefully.
I will take care when on the roads as it just not me who I am will put in danger it is others on the road or even pedestrians.


Anyway this topic has gone off topic, time to get back on topic, so what are good tips for starting off designing cars, tracing them first and then start to do it all freehand?
I honstly dont know about england but if i wanted insurance when im 17 for a E30 with mods or even a stock Vtec civic i would just simply be refused
#15 - aoun
In australia, we wont get refused, we get charged higher rates .

Mazda Rx8 was thinking of getting and im 17....


..$6250+ AUD a year. If i have that car til im 25, $50,000 + just on insurance.

So, Mazda RX8 here is roughly $50,000.

$50,000 + $50,000 = $100,000 Spent on a car til im 25.


I wish!

Edit: LOL how Off topic threads always end up off topic.
Quote from dj-fluxsa :I honstly dont know about england but if i wanted insurance when im 17 for a E30 with mods or even a stock Vtec civic i would just simply be refused

I certainly hope so. If an average teenager can't hold off masturbating for 20 mins, I hope no one trusts him with a tweaked Bimmer either.

I'd wait for a few years and go straight for an M3.











And promptly kill myself in a crash 20 minutes later.


Quote from aoun :Edit: LOL how Off topic threads always end up off topic.

This off-topic discussion is much more interesting.
Sam, why would you wanna mod the car anyway? First of all, your insurance is gonna be hell high with mods, and a 1.8 litre car!

Why not just go for a E36 1.6, or maybe just a bloody 1.2 clio/fiesta or something? Where are you gonna be getting the cash from to pay for the insurance, as i think over £2k or more will be alot for someones first job. Btw sam, the E36 318 is only doing about 115hp, so you will need alot more than a ECU remap to get to your desired 200hp mate.
Quote from spankmeyer :I'd wait for a few years and go straight for an M3.

do that
#18 - aoun
If you want a fast car, I say use its full potential. If you want to use its full potential, go to the race track.
Quote from Nathan_French_14 :Sam, why would you wanna mod the car anyway? First of all, your insurance is gonna be hell high with mods, and a 1.8 litre car!

Why not just go for a E36 1.6, or maybe just a bloody 1.2 clio/fiesta or something? Where are you gonna be getting the cash from to pay for the insurance, as i think over £2k or more will be alot for someones first job. Btw sam, the E36 318 is only doing about 115hp, so you will need alot more than a ECU remap to get to your desired 200hp mate.


do that

Thats where your wrong a E36 318is has 140bhp not 115bhp. I will also work during the night for the pay as I will be in college all day when I get the car and I will work during the night first off proberly doing chinese deliveries and other take away deliveries and then way I reach 18 proberly work in a pub or something. Doing deliveries can be good pay if your quick and it only takes a couple of months to get quick at them as you learn all the shortcuts.
Quote from sam93 :Thats where your wrong a E36 318is has 140bhp not 115bhp. I will also work during the night for the pay as I will be in college all day when I get the car and I will work during the night first off proberly doing chinese deliveries and other take away deliveries and then way I reach 18 proberly work in a pub or something. Doing deliveries can be good pay if your quick and it only takes a couple of months to get quick at them as you learn all the shortcuts.

What year is the car your buying?

edit: So, you said you done plenty of research on these cars? if so, you would have knew the BHP at least right?

Well, YOUR the wrong one buddy.

Heres my poof:

M43B18 1.8 L (1796 cc/109 in³) 85 kW (114 hp) @ 5500 168 N·m (124 ft·lbf) @ 3900rpm.

Heres the link as well.
http://www.answers.com/topic/bmw-m43
Quote from sam93 :It will not be making it look like a boy racer car as Bimmers with aftermarket bodykits look stupid, I mean like cosmetic mods what you can get from BMW for it or even some other parts what dont add as much weight as the original parts. A E36 318is on the insurance for a 17 year old with pass plus what I will do to make it that little bit cheaper is about £2,600 what I am willing to pay so I have a decent car for my first not a saxo, corsa or a fiesta.

You want a standard front wheel drive hatch, something that won't go very fast and will get you out of trouble, you do not need a 200bhp saloon that will build up huge amounts of speed without you even noticing. Insurance will be about what you think the 318 will cost you for a standard not very hot hatch, just forget about any modifications for several years, except possibly safety equipment if you intend to do track days, if you find a sensible insurer you may be able to convince them that the chance of a claim on a road going competition car (my Dad's new road registered circuit car cost a third of the price to insure with a specialist). Still don't count on being able to get that for a reasonable rate until you've got several years no claims bonus.

Quote from sam93 :Oh and if the insurance came to look at your car they wouldnt know if your ECU was superchipped and remapped without putting it on a dyno what is going to happen to mine, proberly will tell them the mods but really they wouldnt find out about the ECU without a dyno really.

Insurance companies couldn't give a crap about what mods you've got on your car, they'll happily let you drive with invalidated insurance through an incorrectly listed car (something as simple as an undeclared colour change is enough) or breaching the terms (storage, millage). If you make a claim, they'll go through your car and find anything that can invalidate the insurance (and trust me they will check the ECU). Given that the cost of a relatively small multi-car accident with personal injury claims can easily run into 6 digits it's not a risk worth taking.

Quote from sam93 :Before anyone else starts to say I will be using the extra power for public road use it wont be, the extra power will be used for track days, I want be a mupit on the road who just dont care about others.

Have you ever been on a track? If you have an off at 100mph you'll travel for miles, that's if it's your lucky day and there's nothing in the way. If you have an off at 135mph you have nearly twice the energy and to state the blindingly obvious you'll go much further and hit things faster. There's no better way than learning the hard way, it only makes sense to start off with something slow that you can drive nearer the limit in.

Quote :About the 60bhp thats what may be able to be hit by a ecu remap and a superchip it will be tuned on a rolling road, so it can be tuned to the best of the cars ability whilst still making sure it will be safe, there will be a few minor tweaks to the engine to get this extra bhp to the car. I know the prices what it will cost as I have been talking to Alen Jeffrey who tunes engines in plymouth about mods for the cars and he has told me the prices I will be looking at.

Your suddenly adding increased stresses on a car and engine that wasn't designed to take them, and a car that isn't cheap to repair either. The engine should be the absolute last thing on your list of modifications for a track day car (in fact there's never a need to touch it), better suspension, tires, a shorter final drive and brakes will all make the car far better on the track with less penalty on your insurance. There's never a need for more and more power unless your actually intending to do competitive events in it.
115bhp is still more enough to have 'fun' in your first car. Insurance isn't impossible of course, as I say a couple of my friends and I insured and drove 1.8/1.6 cars- with ~90bhp, but they weren't heavy cars at all, I don't know how heavy the Bimmer is however.

Anywayyyyyy as you say, going OT here, what I will say is, when has 'artwork' ever looked good on an average car bumbling around town?
Adding 60hp to a 140hp car is quite a challenge - it'll cost a lot. Tuning any car to @150% of it's original tune isn't a quite job. Small mods add 2hp, not 60hp.
Quote from sam93 :Thats where your wrong a E36 318is has 140bhp not 115bhp. I will also work during the night for the pay as I will be in college all day when I get the car and I will work during the night first off proberly doing chinese deliveries and other take away deliveries and then way I reach 18 proberly work in a pub or something. Doing deliveries can be good pay if your quick and it only takes a couple of months to get quick at them as you learn all the shortcuts.

Please tell me your not planning to take English? I'll tell you now that trying to work study and socialise is a lot harder than you think and most of your money will end up going on nights out rather than your car. What cars do your parents drive? I'd have thought it would be far better to get yourself as a named driver on one of their policies on a sensible low insurance group car, my Dad changed his car to a Focus to allow me to do this, it has worked out cheaper than buying my own car and insurance policy. Ask yourself whether you actually need a car, will you use it on a daily basis on just wish to borrow it at weekends to go places in it (like track days )?

If you need a car then it is best to buy something cheap and simple and get full insurance and work up a no claims bonus. Alternatively you can go down the named driver (but you'll invalidate your insurance if you are the main driver of the car) route if you drive a couple of times a week. It's also possible to just phone up and add yourself to a policy for a few days at a time, which is what I think I'll probably end up doing when I go to uni.
#25 - aoun
I drive a 2002 BMW 320i.

E46, 2.2L Inline 6 170HP (125 kW).

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