I just started using anti-virus and a firewall because I just got on broadband. I'm using AVG and ZoneAlarm free as well. I have AVG installed, but not running. ZoneAlarm seems to work very well.
I use Avast on Windows and nothing on Mac OS.
I use Kaspersky 6, it's awesome! much better than avast, which has let LOTS of trojans into my comp, Kaspersky found them all, and it's fast! Worth every kopeika 
(a russian "cent")
Kaspersky is russian, btw. Invented by Evgeny Kaspersky.
(a russian "cent") Kaspersky is russian, btw. Invented by Evgeny Kaspersky.
Thank you for your I.P.
Expect some Goat Porn on your computer within 20 minutes.
AVG free, have yet to have a virus get past it.
I also use Spybot, Ad Aware and Hijack This.
I also use Spybot, Ad Aware and Hijack This.
I just use Windows XP SP2 firewall on my connections, thats it. I don't get problems. Like meantioned, if you know how to use a computer, and suft the internet properly, you don't need all that crap. Using Ares for my P2P and Firefox for my browsing probably helps alot too. God I love my simple Celeron.
~Bryan~
God I love my simple Celeron.~Bryan~
Smartass...
Seriously, how can you know your computer is not full of spyware crap if you don't scan it with proper programs? Malware is just something you simply can't 100% avoid.
By using operating systems that don't suffer from malware, viruses, trojans or spyware crap
Even with operating systems that are open for this kind of threats, it's mostly your own actions that get you into trouble. You don't need any 3rd party firewall or antivirus software, but sure they're helpful if you screw up, just like esp in your mothers car.
Now that's a comparison I love
Plus it's right: As long as you're what you're doing, you don't need firewalls/anti-vir/... - but only if you really know what you're doing, not just think that you know.
I installed Avira Antivir PE on my mother's computer, it does its job pretty good. I can't say anything good about Norton, it missed a lot of viruses with the latest definitions last time I used it. And even worse: I couldn't completely get rid of it with their normal uninstalling software
Stay away from your porn sites and you're alright...
Besides those ActiveX-Applets, there are few things which don't require your input (clicking "yes, I want to install") to infect your PC... And you have to be a complete moron to actually confirm such a message...
I even heard from people who installed more than one firewall and/or antivirus... :doh:
Didn't actually think that but I'd guess he's using Windows.
I don't think knowledge has anything to do with this, pretty much exactly at the time you plug the DSL cable, in theory you open the door for unexpected visitors if you don't have any software or hardware firewall.
I hate how people use the statement "Oh, how do you know your computer isn't infected with a whole bunch of stuff if you don't scan" Simple answer, if you KNOW computers, and KNOW what your doing, and something manages to get onto your computer, you will notice it.
For instance, if my computer is being a little sluggish (I only have one 256MB ram chip installed) I open up the process window of Task Manager, so if something was there I would see it. I'm familer with my startup list, as is any computer geek. I know sketchy windows folders from legit ones. But if I wasn't the only one using this computer. I would throw on some AVG Free just incase.
~Bryan~
For instance, if my computer is being a little sluggish (I only have one 256MB ram chip installed) I open up the process window of Task Manager, so if something was there I would see it. I'm familer with my startup list, as is any computer geek. I know sketchy windows folders from legit ones. But if I wasn't the only one using this computer. I would throw on some AVG Free just incase.
~Bryan~
Why do you think evilspywareprogram.exe would show up in the task manager?
If you know what processes are running by default you know what's not supposed to be there, no matter what the name is.
Maybe what I said was a bit unclear, already edited before you replied My point was that the task manager process list is probably the last place where you would find malware...
My point was that the task manager process list is probably the last place where you would find malware...AVG here along with hardware NAT, XP Firewall, Adaware and spyware blaster.
On the Norton front, a few years back when I developed and sold email related software Norton was the ONLY software package that gave my customers hassle and problems. No idea what its like now but used to be a resource hungry pile of poo. One thing against Norton is that it is highly popular so it is worth the effort of people that write malware to target it to make sure their software gets past it and this has been known to happen.
The only AV to ignore is the Microsoft one because its as secure as their OSs.
On the Norton front, a few years back when I developed and sold email related software Norton was the ONLY software package that gave my customers hassle and problems. No idea what its like now but used to be a resource hungry pile of poo. One thing against Norton is that it is highly popular so it is worth the effort of people that write malware to target it to make sure their software gets past it and this has been known to happen.
The only AV to ignore is the Microsoft one because its as secure as their OSs.
Its very simple to be able to HIDE running software from the tasklist.... Just ask Sony about their rootkit farce.
Deggis, can you please stop trolling already? You've established you know nothing about computers, therefore need protection from yourself... If others have enough knowledge to avoid such things, it's certainly not up to you to spread paranoia...
Bringing up the troll card + personal insult = 
Deggis, stop embarrassing yourself. You said you would plug a computer directly into the DSL-modem? You would cough into open wounds to wouldn't you? All you need to be safe is a NAT-Router and a semi-working brain.
I have 2 anti-virus softwares installed on this box... neither are run in TSR mode though.. I manually scan anything I need to and normally only use F-Prot, ClamWin for a 2nd opinion of I'm suspicious of a file that F-Prot hasn't yet detected, not that ClamWin is 100% reliable either, no AV is as it's always the cat in a cat and mouse chase.
That said, I have ~3Gb of viruses here and always used to F-Prot and Kav... but Kav got extremely bloated.. but both were "the apps" to have for VX collections for the best naming conventions yada yada. Installing more than one AV doesn't necessarily make you paranoid or stupid
As for firewalls that people are mentioning, any bolt-on windoze "firewall" is more of a gimmick than anything else (especially zone alarm as you can DoS boxes running that with a simple nmap scan
). A firewall should be built into the kernel and run on a separate box. windoze should never be directly connected to the net anyway thus rendering a bolt-on toy unnecessary Regards,
Ian
hmm, seems deggis is pretty much on the mark regarding the task manager. Infact, I spent about 4 hours a few weeks ago cleaning 250+ viruses / adware / spyware off of my bro's boss's box.. how many appeared in the task manager? about 4.. how were these represented? as either rundll32 and / or winlogon. Taskmanager is bollox and won't tell you _what's_ running those processes.. I only found out with Process Explorer from SysInternals.
Most malware these days use the likes of BHOs that affect explorer or other "innocent" binaries that Joe Sixpack wouldn't have a clue about as it's normal to see them in TaskManager.
This is 2007.. we're talking RootKits and other such technology written by professional programmers for spammers and other scum with too much (stolen) cash to throw around.. not a few spotty kids in a bedroom reading from a visual basic for dummies book
Regards,
Ian
Most malware these days use the likes of BHOs that affect explorer or other "innocent" binaries that Joe Sixpack wouldn't have a clue about as it's normal to see them in TaskManager.
This is 2007.. we're talking RootKits and other such technology written by professional programmers for spammers and other scum with too much (stolen) cash to throw around.. not a few spotty kids in a bedroom reading from a visual basic for dummies book
Regards,
Ian
And one reason for this is shills. norton shills were rife in alt.comp.virus a few years ago. I don't frequent that group much these days, but remember many of them back in the day.. sad little f.................
Regards,
Ian
Thx for the tip, I'll try It later
Edit: I tried and got this:
I think is ok.
It should however be noted that neither Process Explorer nor Autoruns from Sysinternals can be effective against rootkits techniques, which are nowadays a part of normal malware protection in some cases. In these cases antirootkits like Gmer (and others) are a far better starting point, as long as you know what they do and what they target, and you learn to distinguish good from bad. Definitely not for the novice.
In extreme cases I had to use a bootable CD to do the job (a modified UBCD for Windows suits me right).
In extreme cases I had to use a bootable CD to do the job (a modified UBCD for Windows suits me right).
What antivirus are you using?
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