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Or if the Fiesta ST is a bit much, how about the Zetec-S?

Nice car IMO.

Matt
Nothing wrong with importing a car. I don't know the cost but they wouldn't be that much, Military guys stationed there can buy them new at $22k which is 16k Euro's new. You could probably get your hands on one for 12K Euro's or so if you searched well.

The car is perfectly realistic, affordable, economical, and just plain fun to drive =)
Quote from Viper93 :Or you can step up from the Neon R/T and get an SRT-4

You should check out my website

Astra VXR been mentioned (worth mentioning?)?? Pretty quick, if not full of ridiculous torque steer. 245hp?? Certainly better handling that SRT-4.

I'd be thinking GTi or maybe Type-R. I bet the Integra Type-Rs have gotten cheaper since they were discontinues (US Acura RSX).
VXR is on par with the ACR but has slower acceleration. A very nice car though but costs alot more than any SRT-4. Never could see if the VXR came with an LSD or not.
VW Corrado VR6!
Even Lord Clarkson said very nice things about the new Suzy Swift GTI...

But when I'm ready (well, when my WALLET is ready!) to upgrade my old Swift XFG, I'll be looking very closely at a Civic R
Quote from Viper93 :Nothing wrong with importing a car. I don't know the cost but they wouldn't be that much, Military guys stationed there can buy them new at $22k which is 16k Euro's new. You could probably get your hands on one for 12K Euro's or so if you searched well.

The car is perfectly realistic, affordable, economical, and just plain fun to drive =)

Well, that's not how it works. Military guys are exempt from customs/VAT and certain safety regulations.

If you buy an untaxed car from them, you're liable for customs/VAT, which would turn 16k Euros into 19k Euros. And then you'd have to get emissions certs, swap out head- and taillights for ECE-legal ones etc. to get it registered. At that point you're closer to 22k Euros.
You guys have to switch the heads on the car for emissions? I know it's a hemi head but cmon =) it's not that bad.

I don't know how it works in Germany but in the UK if the vehicle is held within the country by the same person for at least a year you do not have to pay the tax on it. There is still an MOT done on it though and they switch out the headlights and put in a rear fog light but emission wise the car is fine for the UK. The only thing that causes a problem is the mufflerless exhaust which has too high of a decebel rating for road use but since it's factory they let it through.
#35 - JTbo
Quote from bal00 :Well, that's not how it works. Military guys are exempt from customs/VAT and certain safety regulations.

If you buy an untaxed car from them, you're liable for customs/VAT, which would turn 16k Euros into 19k Euros. And then you'd have to get emissions certs, swap out head- and taillights for ECE-legal ones etc. to get it registered. At that point you're closer to 22k Euros.

I think it roughly goes like this with new cars, car costs 20k in US, 40k in Germany and 90k in Finland. Maybe bit less in Germany, but that is how it will cost there, insane.
Quote from bal00 :And then you'd have to get emissions certs, swap out head- and taillights for ECE-legal ones etc. to get it registered. At that point you're closer to 22k Euros.

lol, havn't got that for any of my cars, just added a slowing relay to the indicators. But yes, VAT and duty is a rip ... buuut, you don't have to pay VAT on a 2nd hand car, so just buy from a serviceman whos going home or something
Quote from JamesK :lol, havn't got that for any of my cars, just added a slowing relay to the indicators. But yes, VAT and duty is a rip ... buuut, you don't have to pay VAT on a 2nd hand car, so just buy from a serviceman whos going home or something

If you like Mopar wait until you see an ACR =) Mine should be here by the end of March =) went to your site BTW, very nice and I will look at it more tomorrow =)
guys, some of you are giving him new cars as suggestions, which, granted, you can get a new car for under 10k euro, but, you cant buy a new "sporty" hot hatch for this prices, like one american suggested a vauxhall astra VXR, this car is priced at about £18000?? give him sensible suggestions please guys.

frenchy
Quote from Nathan_French_14 :guys, some of you are giving him new cars as suggestions, which, granted, you can get a new car for under 10k euro, but, you cant buy a new "sporty" hot hatch for this prices, like one american suggested a vauxhall astra VXR, this car is priced at about £18000?? give him sensible suggestions please guys.

frenchy

Yeah hehe that car is expensive. Honestly I would go with a Civic due to the fact that there are parts everywhere for them. Personally though I hate the engines, they are gutless with no torque and you have to revv them up the wazzu, but hey whatever floats your boat, I grew up with American V8's and I have always been a fan of torque.
yeye, some hondas are abit weedy, but one of my dads cars is a honda ccord type-r, and thats very nice and powerfull with a few mods.

his toys are his cosworth's. look in my avatar, thats his escort cosworth, AWD, 480+hp, 0-60 in 3.7 seconds, top end is 191mph :P. btw, that was done on a dyno *shifts eyes*

frenchy
Quote from Nathan_French_14 :top end is 191mph :P. btw, that was done on a dyno *shifts eyes*

Erm... a rolling road cannot give a measure of top speed. The fact it can give a reading of 191mph just shows that it can rev in top.
#42 - JTbo
Quote from ajp71 :Erm... a rolling road cannot give a measure of top speed. The fact it can give a reading of 191mph just shows that it can rev in top.

Hmm, well actually, it is perhaps possible if you set resistance to increase in same way that air resistance would, then it should be quite possible, however I have ever heard no one to do that
did'nt you see the rolling eyes man??

tbh, we actually took these readings at a old airfield in kullingham, *where performance ford does all there test's for other readers cars) they set up electrical equipment which measures the 0-60 time and top speed.

it's hard to explain, but you basically hook up the equipment, then floor it all the way from one end of the runway to the other end and do this as many times as the techinicans say you should then the computers work out an average. i hope you understand what i mean
Quote from Viper93 :If you like Mopar wait until you see an ACR =) Mine should be here by the end of March =) went to your site BTW, very nice and I will look at it more tomorrow =)

Be sure to join up There's already an ACR in the country, saw it at the Mopar EuroNationals last summer along with the SRT in the front page photo ... there was also a nice Cobalt SS attending, getting beaten by the Mopars Unfortunately I didn't get more photos or talk to the owners 'cause I was busy in the gantry, 'helping' with the commentary
Quote from JamesK :Be sure to join up There's already an ACR in the country, saw it at the Mopar EuroNationals last summer along with the SRT in the front page photo ... there was also a nice Cobalt SS attending, getting beaten by the Mopars Unfortunately I didn't get more photos or talk to the owners 'cause I was busy in the gantry, 'helping' with the commentary

Are you sure that that wasn't from the USA military Bases? I am thinking I will have the only perminent ACR in the country but I have not way to know for sure. I plan on going to the nationals this year =)
VW Golf or Corrado VR6. Great sound, fast and reliable!
Quote from Viper93 :Are you sure that that wasn't from the USA military Bases? I am thinking I will have the only perminent ACR in the country but I have not way to know for sure. I plan on going to the nationals this year =)

It did belong to a US Serviceman, but was UK registered (along with the SRT4s).
Thx a lot for all your suggestions, guys, this is really helpful. Seems I'm still tending towards the Clio, though. I like the fact that it's small, lightweight and from all I read a rather exciting drive. Some of the other suggestions (like Golf or Focus) would probably be a little more sensible, and it would probably also be relatively easy to get a car that's not too run-down. It would also be less exciting, though. Similar things could be said for Opel/Vauxhall, I guess, but I just don't see myself driving an Opel.

Well, I guess I will have to read some more and arrange some test-drives in the next months (once spring is here) to find out what some of the suggested cars really feel like and how they suit me.

Anyway, I'm still open for suggestions and thx again for your help .

Regards,

Linsen

Edit: Damned, I just read the review in evo magazine and now I WANT the Clio 182! Unfortunately, I won't get it for 10.000 € .
Quote from hrtburnout :VW Golf or Corrado VR6. Great sound, fast and reliable!

I have to agree. It's like a Golf, except it looks better and drives better.
Quote from JamesK :It did belong to a US Serviceman, but was UK registered (along with the SRT4s).

Yes but they are only registered as a temporary import so they are not subject to as many rules and stuff, and besides the car isn't going to be perminently in the UK =P I probably know the guy your talking about, he's on SRT Forums quite a bit.

Still 1 out of 2 in the UK isn't bad, I think that guy is moving soon aswell =)

Quote from frokki :I have to agree. It's like a Golf, except it looks better and drives better.

I would like to have a Corrado, they are excellent machines from that era =)

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