How many examples do you want.

1. Using a skin as it is: Downloading software without paying

2. Taking someone elses skin, modifying it a bit, and claiming it as their own: Taking an existing bit of software, modifying it a bit, then claiming it as their own.

They are both very simple concepts and analogies, so if you can't get them after 3 explainations, then you are going to struggle somewhat...

Quote from tristancliffe :

then claiming it as their own.

aha, so here is where you miss the boat where do you see people CLAIMING these skins as their own?

Yes, some.

nono.. hes asking 'where?'

well quite honestly.. on the skin itself!

Yes there are definitely some people that do that. Even someone that stole an old S1 skin of mine swore it was his own design, when I could clearly see my skin 'underneath' on the edges :rolleyes:

It is that claim that causes the trouble... making the original skin maker feel like their talent was stolen so the ripper can get all the fame and "Wow great skin buddy!" It's just silly... and that is the only reason why I hate the ripping, when they claim it as their own.

I am ok with someone looking at the skin file in their paint editor to learn some tricks or to try and match a few parts, but it can get really out of hand if they choose to use something that looks so similar for their team or personal use, and had never asked the original author.

But how often this happens? I'd say I hear about it at the most... once a month, and that is so low that it really doesn't have me worried since it isn't a worldwide epidemic or something It used to be a problem in S1, but now since more and more people are supporting people and helping them with learning to skin, it rarely happens nowadays.

Quote from Vain :

What about not loading the skin to LFSW when you don't want to share it?

Vain

That's a stupid idea. If you have finished a private skin, you want other to see it, but not use it, right? Well, how can they see it if it's not on lfsworld and they haven't downloaded it from the forums?

There is no easy way to syop this without the developers changing the program in some way, maybe loading skins on the fly and never downloading them to a HD.

Even then you could read the memory and capture the skin if your good

Is this so much of an issue ? The skin 'lifter' may soon get bored and go rip another skin and what is the point of running with another teams skin ?

The banning mechanism should be used if people are really upset about this.

Hmmm, how do I let people see my skin? Whenever i go on a server noone can see my skin! But i want them too!

buy S2 license

Or post it on the internet, and tell people where to download it from. S2 licenced people can use the handy autodownload feature, which saves work (and hard drive space actually, them being only 512 skins).

Quote from Tweaker :

It is that claim that causes the trouble... making the original skin maker feel like their talent was stolen so the ripper can get all the fame and "Wow great skin buddy!" It's just silly... and that is the only reason why I hate the ripping, when they claim it as their own.

LFS is about racing. Try to impress others by your racing.

I know it was already said, if you don't want to share, do not upload. Or upload a low-spec version and send high-end to your buddies.

When talking about buddies, I got the idea that there could be a flag which you can set on your uploaded skin "allow download for my buddies only" or something like that. I think this also isn't that hard to implement.

I don't really see it as a problem, it doesn't happen very often anyway. As for taking a public skin and changing the number or a few of the graphics and then uploading it on LFSW doesn't really bother me either, this is not the same as removing the original authors credits and posting it as your own on the forum.

Oh. You can't share skins within LFS if you use the demo? So thats why!

Obviously, as hardly any demo racer is even registered on lfsworld, so disabling the whole thing may be the easiest way to handle it, and another reason to buy a license...

ooooooooooooold thread xD

i think it would not be complicated to add a checkbox or something when u upload your skin which says "allow public usage". so the file cannot be loaded from the skin but from the skin_x folder or something like that.
and perhaps adding an info to each file from whom and when the file was uploaded

*cough* erm, Peter, have a look at the date of the post before yours .

There's an uptodate thread here http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=7219&page=3

No harm done, just new to the forum i guess

yes new

Quote from Tweaker :

Search, and you get two threads already on this subject

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=3882

http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=2383

just followed that link xD

"Team skins used by non members, how to protect?" hmmm sounds a little bit special, but i guess not only teamskinproblems are discussed there

EDIT: now i see it's not in suggestions and that is what i wanted to do. a suggestion