Quote from ajp71 :

No disrespect but I..........

............. you didn't win Pearl Harbour illepall

I think the Japanese in 1945 might disagree with you.

Quote from BrandonAGr :

It's clear BMX is spouting a typical my country is better than yours sentiment and I dont see any real intelligent discussion coming as a result of it, but I'm not one to get in the way of a growing flame war. +1 for locking this thread

I would say that I am proud to be an American and would rather live here than anywhere else, but of course I am a bit biased

I'm a Brit and a Permanent Resident in the US. I too would rather live in the US than anywhere else. That doesn't mean I have to be blind or consume and regurgitate rhetoric. Fortunately, I'm still afforded that right to refrain in both countries I have a foot in, although it's being seriously diminished in the UK at the moment.

Quote from SamH :

You might as well not talk about a subject you know little about. If you did you would realize the electoral college has a very important part in deciding the President and a overall popularity vote would not work.

In Japan there died thousands because af nuclear weapons!!!!! And many of the survivors suffer even today...dont forget this.

Lets close this thread. I respect all Americans and I have been in the USA several times.

Quote from BWX232 :

No- the right to have a gun for personal protection is an example of ONE right I have that you don't have...

News flash- criminals will get guns no matter what, they are criminals. Outlawing guns only takes guns away from law abiding citizens.

In the UK only a very small percentage of police are armed and gun crime, although on the rise, is nothing compared to what it is in the US. Few criminals are armed in the UK and most polls show the public here do not want armed police.

I've never seen or been affected by an armed crime can many Americans honestly say that?

Quote from ajp71 :

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You make so many ridiculous statements that it would probably be a waste of time to list them all. Such as "American force may have been a necessary evil", since when is being strong considered evil? Saying people wouldn't be remembered if they didn't die at the hand of terrorists? By nature you can never negotiate with terrorists, because you will only encourage them to do more.

"I've never seen or been affected by an armed crime can many Americans honestly say that?"
If you mean in person, then yes, they can.

Quote from BrandonAGr :

It's clear BMX is spouting a typical my country is better than yours sentiment and I dont see any real intelligent discussion coming as a result of it, but I'm not one to get in the way of a growing flame war. +1 for locking this thread

I would say that I am proud to be an American and would rather live here than anywhere else, but of course I am a bit biased

That's a complete farce... I never once stated "my country is better than yours"... illepall

I am fully aware that many US citizens are very anti-American.

Quote from BWX232 :

You might as well not talk about a subject you know little about. If you did you would realize the electoral college has a very important part in deciding the President and a overall popularity vote would not work.

I cannot help you. You have to make the leap for yourself. I can encourage you by saying things like "STFU", of course. Your ignorance of ME is just one tiny example of your collossal ignorance in general. Fortunately, I have enough close American friends to know that your attitude is NOT typical of "Americans". Unfortunately, for those that DON'T know typical Americans or their socio-political position, you are presenting a very twisted representation. I will assert that you are NOT representative of MOST Americans, for the benefit of anyone else listening.

Quote from Sam H :

I'm a Brit and a Permanent Resident in the US.

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You might as well not talk about a subject you know little about.

Slight contradiction there.

Quote from BWX232 :

I think the Japanese in 1945 might disagree with you.

Yep but it's just an example of how Hollywood can re write the history book

Quote from BWX :

very anti-American.

Here's the big problem in the UK you can oppose the government and still be perfectly patriotic and not considered anti-British. Likewise you can live in the UK and not be particuarly patriotic without being labeled anti-British.

IMHO, days like Memorial Day are for remembering the suffering that was brought about by fights that shouldn't have been started. Fights about silly things like "My country is better than yours".

So can you guys stop bickering now, please?

Quote from BrandonAGr :

You make so many ridiculous statements that it would probably be a waste of time to list them all. Such as "American force may have been a necessary evil", since when is being strong considered evil?

He's not calling US soldiers evil, he's calling the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in the middle east who had nothing to do with the attack on the world trade centre "an evil". It's difficult to disagree with.

Quote from BrandonAGr :

Saying people wouldn't be remembered if they didn't die at the hand of terrorists? By nature you can never negotiate with terrorists, because you will only encourage them to do more.

I have to say, I still don't understand how this whole vague "terrorism" excuse is still working on the general population. I suppose people in general are actually more stupid than I imagined (which is quite surprising!).

I'd rather not have to carry biometric ID, or bomb innocent people in the middle east, or hold foreign prisoners in detention centres indefinitely, or send foreign prisoners to places like Libya to be tortured, and if I have to run the infinitessimally small risk of being killed by a terrorist one day in order to have all those benefits then I will gladly take it.

Quote from SamH :

I cannot help you. You have to make the leap for yourself. I can encourage you by saying things like "STFU", of course. Your ignorance of ME is just one tiny example of your collossal ignorance in general. Fortunately, I have enough close American friends to know that your attitude is NOT typical of "Americans". Unfortunately, for those that DON'T know typical Americans or their socio-political position, you are presenting a very twisted representation. I will assert that you are NOT representative of MOST Americans, for the benefit of anyone else listening.

Whatever. I don't need your help.

A bunch of ignorant people start bashing the US for no reason and I refute their positions- this makes me ignorant? You can't say jack about the electoral college because you don't know jack about it... so you change the subject. I don't need to know anything about you personally to know that.

Quote from ajp71 :

Here's the big problem in the UK you can oppose the government and still be perfectly patriotic and not considered anti-British. Likewise you can live in the UK and not be particuarly patriotic without being labeled anti-British.

This is definitely an issue that's come strongly to light in the US since 9/11, but I think the vast majority of Americans do successfully separate "patriotic" and "American", and their antonyms. Not all, though, as you can see

Quote from BWX232 :

You can't say jack about the electoral college because you don't know jack about it... so you change the subject. I don't need to know anything about you personally to know that.

You're making it VERY difficult for me to stay quiet. Let's just say that you are totally incorrect in your assumptions

Quote from thisnameistaken :

he's calling the deaths of tens of thousands of innocent civilians in the middle east who had nothing to do with the attack on the world trade centre "an evil".

That's the point had the US not started there war on terror (anything they don't like) then there may have been a few thousand dead Americans in the worst case. Having started the war tens of thousands have died who had no intention of blowing America up, I suppose it doesn't matter seeing as they're not American.

It's only in the last 5 years that America has been attacked on home soil (except Pearl Harbour) and it seems the US really did not know how to deal with it. We're much more used to terrorist attacks and do not traditionally start wars to solve the issues. Instead we used to try (and sometimes fail) to reduce the tensions. 5 years ago the world was pretty stable now a few men with knives in 4 planes have left it in a mess to say the least don't you see that you've let the terrorists win?

Quote from BrandonAGr :

It's clear BMX is spouting a typical my country is better than yours sentiment and I dont see any real intelligent discussion coming as a result of it, but I'm not one to get in the way of a growing flame war. +1 for locking this thread

I would say that I am proud to be an American and would rather live here than anywhere else, but of course I am a bit biased

And I'm proud to be Finnish and I like living here very much That's same with most of people anywhere. Home sweet home. All are biased

Of course that doesn't mean that I wouldn't like to travel and see other countries. And I warmly welcome you to visit Finland. Land of the monsters

Wow SamH
So you agree with "thisnamistaken" on that issue, but cannot say why.

Then when I call you out on it- you can do nothing but throw insults.. and call me ignorant. Have you read up on it in the meantime?

Just another example of how people automatically go along with all the America bashing, but then have nothing to back it up with but meaningless personal insults.

The electoral college votes for the president.. but that is unfair to you, but you have no idea why? -good reason to call me ignorant.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

That said, the USA's electoral system isn't fair either).

Quote from BWX232 :

It is completely fair if you understand how our government works.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

It's not proportional, so it can't be completely fair..

Quote from BWX232 :

Obviously you have never read a book about it or ever heard any real facts about it.. if you had you would know why it's "fair".. It has to do with state's rights.

Quote from SamH :

Quote:
Originally Posted by BWX232
Obviously you have never read a book about it or ever heard any real facts about it.. if you had you would know why it's "fair".. It has to do with state's rights.


I could say an awful lot at this point, but in deference to international peace and understanding I'm going to do my best to say none of it. This is going to be difficult.

Quote from BWX232 :

Oh you think the electoral college is unfair? You are obviously just as uninformed about the subject as others in this thread.

Quote from SamH :

Quote from BWX232 :

You might as well not talk about a subject you know little about. If you did you would realize the electoral college has a very important part in deciding the President and a overall popularity vote would not work.

Quote from SamH :

I cannot help you. You have to make the leap for yourself. I can encourage you by saying things like "STFU", of course. Your ignorance of ME is just one tiny example of your collossal ignorance in general. Fortunately, I have enough close American friends to know that your attitude is NOT typical of "Americans". Unfortunately, for those that DON'T know typical Americans or their socio-political position, you are presenting a very twisted representation. I will assert that you are NOT representative of MOST Americans, for the benefit of anyone else listening.

Quote from SamH :

You're making it VERY difficult for me to stay quiet. Let's just say that you are totally incorrect in your assumptions

illepall


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