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StewartFisher
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Quote from Bob Smith :Stewart - ok, aerodynamics is more complicated than I thought. I've never really read up that much on it. I'll have to do some reading as I don't even know what the Reynolds number is. "Cd is constant with area but it is not constant with flow velocity." is interesting though, I think that is why stardard aerodynamic equations are only accurate up to a couple of hundred mph?

Hehe, it's OK, it took me a 4 year degree to learn what I know now

The 'standard aerodynamic equations' you mention probably assume that the fluid is incompressible (and isentropic and adiabatic, etc...). It's much simpler if you don't have to account for the change in density of a fluid as the pressure changes. A standard rule of thumb is that a density error of 5% is usually acceptable...that takes you to about Mach 0.3 (approx. 200 mph at sea level).

Reynolds Number is a non-dimensional number based on flow velocity, fluid viscosity and some reference length on the object. It can be thought of as the ratio of inertial forces to viscous forces. At low Reynolds Numbers, the viscous forces (i.e. skin friction drag) dominate the drag forces, while at high Reynolds Numbers the inertial forces dominate (i.e. pressure drag - the 'wake' behind an object).
Drag coefficients change because of changes in boundary layer behaviour at different flow velocities.
Quote :I'm using frontal area as the side area of a car is very different and I'm only concerned with cars going in a straight line (in this program anyway).

The 'width x height' calculation should give an approximation to frontal area, not side area!

Edit - I should probably point out that these effects (probably) aren't relevant to VHPA as it stands at the moment...the usual drag equation is fine unless you want super-accurate figures at very low speeds or above 200mph.
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StewartFisher
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Quote from Bob Smith :Stewart - Cd is independant of A, I always thought (or at least until the object gets very small, when compared to air). Hence a perfect sphere has a Cd of 0.1 regardless of size. y/n?

Cd is a empirically-calculated constant which relates an object's properties to its drag. 'A' is simply a relevant reference area. It needn't be a frontal area, just an area. The real value of calculating Cd comes when you want to compare objects which are similar in shape but different sizes...in that case, the reference area you choose must be consistent in all cases, but it doesn't really matter which area you use.

For example, there isn't really any need to know the exact frontal area of each car. A simple width x height calculation would give you a good enough reference area to calculate a Cd in order to compare cars. The only requirement is that you are consistent in your calculation of 'area'. I've probably needlessly complicated things...sorry about that!
Assuming you choose a consistent definition of area then, yes, Cd is constant with area.

BTW...A sphere only has Cd = 0.1 at high Reynolds Numbers, once the boundary layer becomes turbulent. Cd is constant with area but it is not constant with flow velocity.
StewartFisher
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Sitting the car on a weighbridge with individual weight measurements for each corner would help with a lot of things. This way you could calculate the overall mass of the vehicle and the CoG location in the X-Y plane, as well as the fuel tank mass and CoG if you use Tristan's drain/refill method. You could also get a friend of known mass to sit in each seat in turn to calculate the CoG of passengers.

Finding the height of the CoG is going to be tricky.

A rolling-road dyno will be required for engine testing, and you can also use it for testing the brake strengths (and, therefore, brake balance). Rolling roads are fine if used correctly...we've got one here and I've not heard of any problems with it.

Finding the rotating mass of a wheel isn't as simple as weighing it as this doesn't take into account the radial weight distribution. What you'd need to do is to apply a known torque to a wheel and measure how fast it speeds up or slows down. Then use Torque = I * angular acceleration to work out I, the moment of inertia.

In aerodynamics, the value 'CdA' can often be taken to be a single parameter, for the simple reason that 'Cd' can only be defined once you've defined an 'A'. Cd is usually measured using a coast-down test. This includes rolling resistance, obviously, but there are equations which can be used to seperate out the effects.

If the wings are infinitely thin then you can measure the wing angles by placing a ruler between the leading and trailing edges and measuring the angle. If the wing has thickness then you will have to use a ruler with a cut-out to match the profile of the wing at the leading and trailing edges so that the edge of the ruler lies along the chord line.
StewartFisher
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Quote from Ahriman4891 :^ yes. Also aerodynamics is reworked for the 2008 season, so regardless of how detailed LFS aero is ATM, the downforce should be considerably lower. Less downforce + no TC = major difference. Plus it just looks incredibly hot IMHO.

No. The car modelled in LFS is the F1.06. No modifications are necessary.
StewartFisher
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Quote from bbman :Is that front wing bucket a clever way to put more weight on the front when it rains?

Honestly, I can't see a profit by raising the front tip of a wing when it clearly would push more air under the car...

Wings which generate downforce modify the incoming airflow such that it is actually moving very slightly downwards as it hits the front of the wing. The leading edge is curved upwards in order to allow this flow to move onto the wing smoothly. A perfectly horizontal leading edge would cause the wing to stall at a lower angle of attack.
StewartFisher
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Quote from glyphon :if you can't hand hold a 1/320 shot, you need to see a doctor

Well, I was using a 300mm lens on my 400D, so that's a 35mm equivalent of 480mm...1/320 isn't so easy at that focal length!
StewartFisher
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Quote from halo :One thing is not clear for me, did you really took the "moon" photo without any support or without tripod?

You'd be surprised what sort of shutter speeds you could use to get the moon properly exposed. My best shot of the moon so far was ISO 100, f/7.1 and 1/320 secs shutter speed. OK, I did use a tripod, but only because I was in the back garden and I had one handy. Bump the ISO to 200 and you should be able to hand-hold that without a problem.
StewartFisher
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Quote from SamH :Large TVs are not life. Music is life.

Yes, in your opinion! Opinion counts for nothing against the letter of the law.
Quote :If you don't understand what I'm saying then I could expand, but if you don't already understand what I'm saying, you'll never understand. Perhaps you're good at math instead.

Well, I am, as it happens I understand your point but I still don't see how this justifies breaking the law to get what you want. There's plenty of free music out there.
Quote :A fair price starts at being a competitive price. Now that there is more than one way to purchase an album or track, it's more possible to pay a fair price. It's not difficult.

I maintain that any price is fair if people will pay it. That aside, I have no problem with people purchasing music by download on legitimate sites. Your reasoning appears to be "I can get it free...that's a fair price!", without regard to the fact that it is illegal.
Quote :No, the problem with right and wrong is that it's different for everyone. Karma is the relationship between two rights, or two wrongs. Even if your perception of right and wrong is different from someone else's, your perception of relative karma is likely to be more consistent with theirs.

It's still subjective though, which means that it's impossible to account for in law. It's not a good defence to claim "My personal belief system makes it OK, so you have to accept this.".
StewartFisher
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Quote from SamH :Music is life. Simple as.

Aside from that being a ridiculous statement, just turn on the radio, where music is free. What if I truly believed that 'a big TV is life' and stole one? Would I be justified because 'it is life'? Somehow, I doubt it.
Quote :I'm not a fan of monopolies, I favour a free market economy, where consumers stand a greater chance of a fair price. What we have been charged has not been a fair price since the 60s. Don't believe me? Ask anyone.

What is a fair price? As far as I'm concerned, no luxury item can be overpriced. If people are willing to pay the price, then it's a fair price.
Quote :Your perspective, while understandable, doesn't actually relate to any form of market force or Westernized society. For me, it's not what is right or wrong, but what is karma. Right and wrong are so subjective, but karma.. I love karma. The record industry is getting its come-uppance, and I'm happy to watch it happen. A lot of us have been resentful for a long time.. so this level of karma is glorious to us.

The problem with 'karma', as you put it, is that people define it differently, so there are no absolutes. If I took it upon myself to decide that the government were corrupt and that it would be 'good karma' for me to blow up Parliament, would my belief in 'karma' justify my actions?
StewartFisher
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Quote from SamH :For 20 years, I paid increasingly extortionate prices for music. I bought the rights to listen to the same music several times.. vinyl, then cassette for my car, and then CD. Each time, the price I paid was disproportionately more excessive. By the time I began re-buying CDs, the £15 I would pay per CD represented profit in the region of thousands of percent. From me as an individual, I would estimate that the music industry has had around £40,000 in clear profit alone. I knew it at the time, and so did everyone else, but there was no alternative. The music industry made sure of that.

No alternative? The alternative to having a luxury item is to not have that luxury item and get on with life. You claim that you've paid 'extortionate prices' for music. You would have been aware of the cost at the time of purchase and if you handed over the money, you decided that the value of the item to you was equal to or greater than the price you paid. The only person you have to blame for the 'extortion' in this case is yourself.

Quote :Is it right? Of course not. It's no more right for us to shaft them than it was for them to shaft us. Royally. Do I pity the industry? Oh, no, not one iota. Frankly, I'm enjoying seeing the beast get a taste of its own medicine. Ultimately, I'm sure it will regain the upper hand, but for now I'm personally enjoying getting some of my £40,000-worth back. I still have a long way to go before I've ripped back 50% of that. When I get to that point, I may call it evens and start buying music from EMI and Sony again.

OK, so you admit that what you're doing is wrong. Interesting, then, that you continue to do it. There is nothing 'wrong' with what the music industry has been doing. How can you claim that the music industry has 'shafted' you when you were the one who walked into the record shop and opened your wallet? If you don't think music is worth the price the record companies are charging for it, don't buy it. It won't be the end of your life just because you can't listen to a particular CD.

Quote from nihil :LOL.... Look its really simple - if the whole world starts 'stealing' from you, then its time to look in the mirror. The party is over.

What you insist on calling theft is just a market reaction if you change the way you do business. (btw, that's my answer to your question)

Right...so theft is now the fault of the victim? I'm not denying that the record companies should change the way they do business, but that is for them to decide, not you or me. The point here is that the record companies haven't changed the way they do business, so it's still theft!
StewartFisher
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Quote from nihil :Not a like for like comparison really, but yes, you do, and yes, people have: http://www.racecarsdirect.com/ ... /Ferrari_360_Replica.html

Why isn't it a like for like comparison? A company sells a product which you desire. You seem to think it's legitimate to steal it if an opportunity is made available.
Quote :Unfortunately for the music industry, their product is infinitely more reproduceable than a Ferrari... Tough break, but that's capitalism for you. The only way for the industry to carry on as normal is to artificially limit supply and demand (which means becoming a policeman - not really in the original job description)

Mugging old ladies is infinitely easier than mugging professional boxers...Tough break, but that's capitalism for you.
Quote :It bloody well is.

It is not our decision how to run record companies. You seem to have misunderstood my point. I also note that you conveniently ended the quotation there to avoid having to answer my question.
Quote :I have only one thing to say to companies unable to adapt: "Time to cash in your pension and sod off. For record companies to survive in today's market requires the type of imagination you do not have. The market no longer requires your services."

How does that legitimise stealing their product? If you don't like the way a company operates, the response of the market should be to stop doing business with that company. That does not make it acceptable to acquire their product by illegal means.
StewartFisher
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Quote from Dajmin :Very true, it's printed on all CDs that unauthorised copying is prohibited. And 3rd party distribution of music needs to be dealt with. But that article was about someone who the record company tried to get for personal use, which is retarded.

Did you read the correction at the top of the article? The RIAA were not trying to prosecute someone for ripping CDs for his own personal use, they were trying to prosecute him because he was sharing them on a P2P network!
StewartFisher
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Quote from Dajmin :Tell me now - how exactly do they find out if you have ripped a CD or not? Are they extracting personal info from people's PCs?

And more importantly - in this day of MP3 players, how exactly are you expected to transfer files from that new CD to your new MP3 player?

Did anyone actually read the article? The RIAA are not trying to stop people ripping their CDs for their own personal use!
Quote :Car companies can't tell you not to take your car to pieces after you've paid for it, why should record companies get to tell you what to do with something you own?

When you buy a CD, you buy the CD and the rights to listen to the music contained thereon. You do not buy the rights to copy or distribute said music. The copyright holder alone (ie the performers or record label) gets to decide how their music is distributed.

Quote from nihil :Not having the right is not the same as not having the desire. People have demonstrated the desire, created the opportunity, and indulged it freely.

True. I have a desire to own a Ferrari...do I have the right to 'indulge it freely', should an 'opportunity' be created?
Quote :The record companies have to come to terms with the way that the market is being shaped by its consumers. I mean, do they want to sell music or do they want to become policemen?

If its the latter, then **** them. Bring on the noise.

That's not our decision, The record companies don't have to do anything. Why do you think you have the right to steal from companies just because they don't do things the way you want?
StewartFisher
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Quote from P5YcHoM4N :Under current UK law it is illegal to rip your own CDs, but they want to change it linkage.

I am aware of that, but if you read what I posted, the article makes it very clear that music companies are not attempting to prosecute people who do this.

Hankstar is, of course, correct in his assertion that the music labels have missed out on massive profits from early adoption of DRM-free downloads. However, that's entirely their own choice and it is their right to run their business as they see fit. Just because people don't agree with the way record companies run their businesses doesn't mean they have the right to steal music.
StewartFisher
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It seems you all missed the correction at the top of the page:

Quote :Correction to This Article
A Dec. 30 Style & Arts column incorrectly said that the recording industry "maintains that it is illegal for someone who has legally purchased a CD to transfer that music into his computer." In a copyright-infringement lawsuit, the industry's lawyer argued that the actions of an Arizona man, the defendant, were illegal because the songs were located in a "shared folder" on his computer for distribution on a peer-to-peer network.

The rest of the article makes it quite clear that the record companies don't care if you make a copy of a CD or rip it to your PC for your own personal use. They only get irritated when people distribute their copyrighted works to others free of charge.

I have no problem with these lawsuits. All the music I have was legally purchased on CD and I've got no time for freeloaders who think they have a right to steal music. I used to be one of those freeloaders, but a few years ago I got rid of all my downloaded music and started buying CDs.
StewartFisher
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At the moment I'm reading 'We Come Unseen', a history of the Royal Naval submarine service during the Cold War.

Fiction is for sissies
StewartFisher
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Quote from Paranoid Android :Which program do you use for importing, retouching, cropping your pictures? I tried some like Acdsee, Lightroom etc but none of them came close in ease-of-use as a program that a friend showed me on a Mac (and I'm never too keen on giving plus points to a Mac :razz.

I've got a memory card reader in my PC so I don't use any special program to import pictures. I avoid installing the software that comes with things like cameras and phones because I don't like clutter on my PC.

For all my photo editing I use the GIMP (www.gimp.org). It doesn't quite have the power of Photoshop but it's free

Quote :What particularly interests me is also batch cropping and batch framing pictures. A quick search on Google didn't give me any interesting options...Do you know any programs with these functions?

Batch cropping sounds like an odd thing to do...surely you'd prefer to crop your photos individually so that you control the framing. Do you mean re-sizing?
StewartFisher
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Quote from h3adbang3r :How is Nakajima able to keep his place in Formula 1 despite his abysmal season?

You mean his one and only race, during which he set 5th fastest lap?

I reckon it will be Raikkonen again this year.
StewartFisher
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Quote from STROBE :Of course, the D40 is even worse for me. I tried my sister's and hated it. Rediculously small, and as soon as I half pressed the shutter, the flash shot up.

Well, my 400D does this in full-auto mode if it decides it needs flash. I agree it's irritating, but that's the punishment you should expect for using full-auto
Quote :As regards kit lenses, yes it's all down to the photographer as to what creates a good image. I quite like my 18-70 though, and would never choose Canon's kit lens over it.

I should probably confess at this point that my kit lens was very quickly rejected in favour of the 17-85mm. Looking back through photos taken with the kit lens, it was clearly the idiot behind the viewfinder who was limiting the quality of my shots, not the lens

mcintyrej, you've got some awesome shots there!
StewartFisher
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Quote from STROBE :Ergonomics are of course a matter of taste. I tried the 400D and couldn't stand it. Far too small, like it was designed for girls' hands - felt like I was about to drop it, even with the crappy kit lens attached.

I just don't get this. I have large hands (no comments, please ) and I find the 400D fits in my hands just fine. If I had to be really picky about it, I would prefer it to be slightly larger, but there's nothing wrong with it as it is. Oh, and the kit lens isn't that bad. It's obviously cheap, but if you can't take good photos with it then that's not the lens' fault.
Quote :And the interface was really, really annoying. Even changing the simplest thing required so many button presses. With the A100 you just turn the shoulder dials - turn, choose, enter, done. But again, it's all a matter of preference. However I do believe that if there's one thing Minolta had right, it's ergonomics.

I agree with Stregone entirely on this one. Almost every adjustment I want to make can be done with the thumb and forefinger of my right hand while my left hand simply supports the weight of the camera and lens.
StewartFisher
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Quote from richy :So if I put my hand out of a car window on the motorway, with my palm facing the ground and fingers outstretched, may I ask what the force is thats pushing my hand downwards?

Just wondering thats all.

Downforce.
StewartFisher
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Quote from STROBE :They do indeed. It's also the reason I consider any Canon or Nikon to be a waste of money.

Just out of interest, how effective is the in-body stabilisation? I've often heard that it's not as good as in-lens stabilisation.
StewartFisher
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Quote from harjun :ok, looks like i'll be getting the 400D, saw a kit of it on amazon, all adding up to £385...Also my uncle is a professional photographist, and he lives only down the road....so he can help me out

Well, if you want to ignore all the advice in this thread then by all means go for it. I assume your uncle also uses Canon equipment? If you're going to expect help from him, it's probably worth going with the same brand as he uses.

Bear in mind that the standard 400D kit doesn't come with a memory card. You'll need to buy a CF card seperately. A case might be also be a good idea unless you want to leave your £400 camera sitting around loose.
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Quote from XCNuse :Not all dSLRs have magnification factors, just.. 95% do lol.

I don't know any others, but Canon has a Full Frame with the 5D, and has 1.7x and 1.2x models. No idea what the 1.2x models are, but from what I can tell majority are 1.7x.
Nikon now has the new D3 with their "FX" frame, which is their first dSLR with a full frame, and their normal DX are 1.5x factors.

The smaller sensors on Canon cameras are APS-H (1.3x) and APS-C (1.6x). The 350D, 400D, 30D, 40D etc... have APS-C sensors (hence they can take the EF-S lenses) while the low-end professional line (the 1D series) has the APS-H. Only the top of the line professional cameras (the 1Ds series) and the 5D have full-frame sensors.
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Quote from Don :not really, my sigma 70-300 has no IS and it takes decent pics, considering the price. You just have to keep it above f8, as it tends to be quite soft with lower f numbers.

Do you hand-hold or use a tripod? The problem with sticking to higher f-numbers is that the exposure times go up, making camera shake more difficult to avoid. I've got IS on both my main lenses (17-85 and 70-300) and I love it, though it's a bit wasted on the standard zoom until you get past about 60mm.
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