"Racing on oil slicks and dodging bumpers isn't part of motorsport."
I beg to differ...
Not lap after lap, but when there's a wreck in front of you, dodging debris is as important as dodging cars...cutting tires on debris...etc
Frankly, i think the S3 release should focus on the damage model more than anything. Of all the pieces that make a sim, the damage model is the worst in s2. Not only is it poor overall, but its different for each car. Some of the hard body cars will knock a wheel off camber just brushing the wall, but then in the open wheels, you can smack a wall at 50mph and drive off just fine.
I think damage should be DAMAGE. You pay for what you do. You spin and back it up into the wall and break the rear wing/spoiler...you lose rear grip.
Get rid of the "go to pits" option. That should be "retire from race" option. Stop people from being able to join races in progress. No need for someone that comes in with 2 laps left in a 50 lap race be able to cause problems for the leaders. If your damaged too badly to continue, your race is done.
I think there should be a "tow truck" option, that takes you to the pits if you're damaged and want to take a shot at rejoining. Doing so would make you wait (based on distance from the pits) before repairs started.
The damage model is very disappointing to me, its like a sub-arcade damage system in a super-sim game.
I beg to differ...
Not lap after lap, but when there's a wreck in front of you, dodging debris is as important as dodging cars...cutting tires on debris...etc
Frankly, i think the S3 release should focus on the damage model more than anything. Of all the pieces that make a sim, the damage model is the worst in s2. Not only is it poor overall, but its different for each car. Some of the hard body cars will knock a wheel off camber just brushing the wall, but then in the open wheels, you can smack a wall at 50mph and drive off just fine.
I think damage should be DAMAGE. You pay for what you do. You spin and back it up into the wall and break the rear wing/spoiler...you lose rear grip.
Get rid of the "go to pits" option. That should be "retire from race" option. Stop people from being able to join races in progress. No need for someone that comes in with 2 laps left in a 50 lap race be able to cause problems for the leaders. If your damaged too badly to continue, your race is done.
I think there should be a "tow truck" option, that takes you to the pits if you're damaged and want to take a shot at rejoining. Doing so would make you wait (based on distance from the pits) before repairs started.
The damage model is very disappointing to me, its like a sub-arcade damage system in a super-sim game.
The reason that the mirror is left out of most games while in chase mode is simple.
Performance. When you are in your car, the game is not drawing your whole car's body. Opponent cars are generally drawn at a lower Level of Detail...so they aren't as heavy. However, when you are in chase mode, YOUR car is drawn at MAX LOD ... with reflections and such. All of this extra power needed for that means that drawing the mirror is to heavy. Remember, the mirror is essentially just an extra "camera" rendering the whole scene behind you...
That said... lfs runs on my machine at 100fps all the time, and though my machine is relatively new, its by no means a powerhouse. There is enough power left for an extra mirror (i never drive chase, so that number is in-car)
For everyone saying "its not realistic" ... think of it this way. Whether you like the view or not, people will be using it. People who are racing WITH YOU. As long as that view is there, it should have a mirror. I think its a dumb view, but if I'm racing people who are using it, I want them to be able to see me lapping them. (lord knows they aren't up front if they need chase to drive)
The mirror is more for the people the are racing with than it is for them.
However, in a perfect world, that view wouldn't exist. You drive from the seat or you don't drive at all.
Performance. When you are in your car, the game is not drawing your whole car's body. Opponent cars are generally drawn at a lower Level of Detail...so they aren't as heavy. However, when you are in chase mode, YOUR car is drawn at MAX LOD ... with reflections and such. All of this extra power needed for that means that drawing the mirror is to heavy. Remember, the mirror is essentially just an extra "camera" rendering the whole scene behind you...
That said... lfs runs on my machine at 100fps all the time, and though my machine is relatively new, its by no means a powerhouse. There is enough power left for an extra mirror (i never drive chase, so that number is in-car)
For everyone saying "its not realistic" ... think of it this way. Whether you like the view or not, people will be using it. People who are racing WITH YOU. As long as that view is there, it should have a mirror. I think its a dumb view, but if I'm racing people who are using it, I want them to be able to see me lapping them. (lord knows they aren't up front if they need chase to drive)
The mirror is more for the people the are racing with than it is for them.
However, in a perfect world, that view wouldn't exist. You drive from the seat or you don't drive at all.
I'll preface this by saying that I am not fast...comparitive to most people. My two goals are, for the most part, finish on lead lap, and don't wreck anyone.
There are 2 things though, that I see alot of people doing in sims for some reason. 1, they set their steering wheel up to be too touchy. It makes the car jumpy and make correcting when you start to lose the back-end almost impossible. If you have force feedback on, it makes it harder to "feel" the car through a corner.
The second this is not turning enough. When I have friends over, I'll let them play. I notice that they "push" in corners primarily because they simply arent turning enough. Especially in the high-downforce cars, you can turn the things a lot more than you think you can.
As far as what to start with...I don't really want to drive the cars/gtr cars so much. I started with the mrt, then the fox, and now I'm working on the bf1. Im great in the mrt, ok in the fox, and still pretty slow with the bf1. However, driving the bf1 is helping my fox skills, just as trying the fox improved my mrt skills.
Then again, I'm just here to have fun. I'll never be chasing the PB top lists, I may never win against some of the best guys...but I sure have fun being out there with them.
There are 2 things though, that I see alot of people doing in sims for some reason. 1, they set their steering wheel up to be too touchy. It makes the car jumpy and make correcting when you start to lose the back-end almost impossible. If you have force feedback on, it makes it harder to "feel" the car through a corner.
The second this is not turning enough. When I have friends over, I'll let them play. I notice that they "push" in corners primarily because they simply arent turning enough. Especially in the high-downforce cars, you can turn the things a lot more than you think you can.
As far as what to start with...I don't really want to drive the cars/gtr cars so much. I started with the mrt, then the fox, and now I'm working on the bf1. Im great in the mrt, ok in the fox, and still pretty slow with the bf1. However, driving the bf1 is helping my fox skills, just as trying the fox improved my mrt skills.
Then again, I'm just here to have fun. I'll never be chasing the PB top lists, I may never win against some of the best guys...but I sure have fun being out there with them.
Updating DDS files, no change in game?
I'm lost on this one.
Trying to customize some stuff (wheels, cockpit..etc)
Copied the DDS files where they needed to be. (backed up old ones, overwrote originals.)
Opened the game, no effect...
Ok, maybe its just me.. After a few tries, i pulled the files I was working with completely from the DDS dir. Load the game, still have default stuff. I thought maybe I have 2 copies of lfs and im editing the wrong one. I can delete the WHOLE data dir, and the only effect is losing config options...everything else still loads..
There are no other dirs with LFS stuff in the at on on my system...wth is going on?
Trying to customize some stuff (wheels, cockpit..etc)
Copied the DDS files where they needed to be. (backed up old ones, overwrote originals.)
Opened the game, no effect...
Ok, maybe its just me.. After a few tries, i pulled the files I was working with completely from the DDS dir. Load the game, still have default stuff. I thought maybe I have 2 copies of lfs and im editing the wrong one. I can delete the WHOLE data dir, and the only effect is losing config options...everything else still loads..
There are no other dirs with LFS stuff in the at on on my system...wth is going on?
I wish there were just more servers setup online to race just them...seems there are never any mrt-only races for me to find...
Slartibartfast:
You can turn the force feedback off. Just turn the virtual spring (I cant remember if logitech calls it that, or if it just says spring rate). Then it will act like your TSW (sorta, it will just want to center). Then you can turn off FF in the game.
And yes, the answer is laps laps laps. Also, setups...download some setups, drive them and learn how to tweak them for you. No setup is perfect for any 2 people...and none of the default setups are good at all, really.
Practice practice practice, thats all you can do.
Dennisjr:
"Your an American, write in English please"
"You're" or "You are." I'm not generally a grammar nazi, but if you're going to be rude and correct someone's grammar, you could at least get your single sentence correct.
By the way, I had no problem understanding what he said. A little fragmented, but easily understandable.
You can turn the force feedback off. Just turn the virtual spring (I cant remember if logitech calls it that, or if it just says spring rate). Then it will act like your TSW (sorta, it will just want to center). Then you can turn off FF in the game.
And yes, the answer is laps laps laps. Also, setups...download some setups, drive them and learn how to tweak them for you. No setup is perfect for any 2 people...and none of the default setups are good at all, really.
Practice practice practice, thats all you can do.
Dennisjr:
"Your an American, write in English please"
"You're" or "You are." I'm not generally a grammar nazi, but if you're going to be rude and correct someone's grammar, you could at least get your single sentence correct.
By the way, I had no problem understanding what he said. A little fragmented, but easily understandable.
@Ian...
So, basically, you think you deserve everything for free then?
Re: the websites/ads. When you are viewing a website, you are receiving a service, you are gaining information. Space and bandwidth aren't free. Eventually, someone has to pay for it. You expect service for free, even if the payment is simply to have to see an ad...thats a bit greedy isn't it?
As far as the downloads in the game go, it is a huge chunk of bandwidth to serve all of those file.
And, you must charge your clients for your services, correct? As the consumers of the game, we are the clients...clients get charged for services.
But alas, you don't need the skins anyways, so why even post. After all, most skins aren't "worthy" enough to reside on your precious hard drive.
Here's the deal though. Some of the best skins I have come across so far, have been from the in-game download. A lot of people don't post on the forums or elsewhere with their designs, as they design just for themselves. If I get 3 or 4 good skins out of the few bucks I spend, then the way I see it, I've come out ahead.
And by the way, Open Source has nothing to do with free ($$) software. Open source is about free as is "freedom", not the money. Many many many OSS projects are for-fee... with that, you must not really be that much into open source...you would have known that.
So, basically, you think you deserve everything for free then?
Re: the websites/ads. When you are viewing a website, you are receiving a service, you are gaining information. Space and bandwidth aren't free. Eventually, someone has to pay for it. You expect service for free, even if the payment is simply to have to see an ad...thats a bit greedy isn't it?
As far as the downloads in the game go, it is a huge chunk of bandwidth to serve all of those file.
And, you must charge your clients for your services, correct? As the consumers of the game, we are the clients...clients get charged for services.
But alas, you don't need the skins anyways, so why even post. After all, most skins aren't "worthy" enough to reside on your precious hard drive.
Here's the deal though. Some of the best skins I have come across so far, have been from the in-game download. A lot of people don't post on the forums or elsewhere with their designs, as they design just for themselves. If I get 3 or 4 good skins out of the few bucks I spend, then the way I see it, I've come out ahead.
And by the way, Open Source has nothing to do with free ($$) software. Open source is about free as is "freedom", not the money. Many many many OSS projects are for-fee... with that, you must not really be that much into open source...you would have known that.
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