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Oval may seem simple to the onlooker or the person cruising around it on their own, but it is much harder than you may think.

When you drive on an oval on your own, there are many different lines you can take that may never end up being fast. There is always one line that is fast, and it is usually pretty hard to find unless you have a lot of experience on the oval. Plus, the line you take into corners on an oval is much more aggressive than you would see on a road course since a road course tends to force racers wide at the entrance and exit while on an oval it is a much tighter line.

And when you add in other racers who are all trying to do the same thing you are lap after lap and fighting for the position you are in lap after lap, it can become EXTREMELY challenging. It is much tighter than you would see on a road course, not to say this makes road course is easy. Oval is a specialized type of racing that not anyone can jump in and be good at right away.

The source of this information is not completely myself. It is a condensed compilation of notes I took from a television show comparing oval racing and road course racing on the SPEED Channel (United States station dedicated to motorsports).

If you would like to test this, I and I am sure any other oval racer would be happy to oblige you in a race or two on the oval. Because it is easy to talk, let's see if you can do.



Sidenote: Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, just remember that there is hardly ANY case where an oval racer comes onto the forum and claims that they believe racing a road course is easy. Hmmmmmm.......maybe some of you should take heed and practice this courtesy yourselves. Many of the oval racers enjoy racing on road courses as well, and are quite good.

Last edited by red_wing_2121, Thu, 26 Apr 2007 18:09.

Quote from Motordirex :

Heres an opinion.

Stock cars...whatever. The V8 Supercars can be considered stock cars and Id drive those.

-1 billion for ovals...for talentless hacks with A.D.D. If I want to watch a mindless idiot goes in circles, I`ll watch my stupid dog chase his tail.

Oval may seem simple to the onlooker or the person cruising around it on their own, but it is much harder than you may think.

When you drive on an oval on your own, there are many different lines you can take that may never end up being fast. There is always one line that is fast, and it is usually pretty hard to find unless you have a lot of experience on the oval. Plus, the line you take into corners on an oval is much more aggressive than you would see on a road course since a road course tends to force racers wide at the entrance and exit while on an oval it is a much tighter line.

And when you add in other racers who are all trying to do the same thing you are lap after lap and fighting for the position you are in lap after lap, it can become EXTREMELY challenging. It is much tighter than you would see on a road course, not to say this makes road course is easy. Oval is a specialized type of racing that not anyone can jump in and be good at right away.

The source of this information is not completely myself. It is a condensed compilation of notes I took from a television show comparing oval racing and road course racing on the SPEED Channel (United States station dedicated to motorsports).

If you would like to test this, I and I am sure any other oval racer would be happy to oblige you in a race or two on the oval. Because it is easy to talk, let's see if you can do.



Sidenote: Before anyone jumps to any conclusions, just remember that there is hardly ANY case where an oval racer comes onto the forum and claims that they believe racing a road course is easy. Hmmmmmm.......maybe some of you should take heed and practice this courtesy yourselves. Many of the oval racers enjoy racing on road courses as well, and are quite good.

I have noticed that your live camber readings are incorrect.

I do not know if there are any other issues like this, but I found this one. See the images to see what the analyzer shows and what the LFS setup actually shows.

BEFORE YOU POST, PLEASE READ!!

Please do not flame anyone for either liking road course or oval. It is their right to race where they would like to and fun can be had in both forms of racing. And don't flame either road course racing or oval racing in general either. This is just a thread for people to say what they like and give reasons why. You may post reasons you do not like oval if you like road course or why you do not like road course if you like oval. You could even like both or not like both. I am just looking for people to support their opinion with GOOD reasons either way and not the average "oval is too easy" or "road course is all single file racing". I repeat: please give GOOD reasons. As it is your opinion, however, you do not have to give a reason if you choose not to.



RESPECT EACH OTHERS OPINIONS WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT

Last edited by red_wing_2121, Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:18.

Yeah, I guess it is fine considering I am getting about 200 FPS in single player with just one car. Thanks for the input anyway

By the way, I checked the affinity of the LFS process in my processes running menu and both cores are on for LFS. The set affinity menu shows both checked when I check it for LFS. Any input?

Quote from Davo :

No need to be so hostile mate. LFS does not use both cores, it only utilises a single core. What you're probably seeing is some other app using the other core. Programs need to be coded to operate on both cores, lfs is not coded to run on both cores so it is impossible for it to.

I did not mean to sound hostile. Kinda hard to hear the tone of someone's voice in text.

Quote from Jakg :

LFS is NOT multi-threaded, i assure you.

Anyway, i have the same card and a slightyl more powerful CPU, and i have trouble with the load 20 Ai with 8xAA place on my system - its not a bug, its just your CPU cant cope

I know that it is not multi-threaded.

BTW, since I am new to the built for gaming PC, what exactly do AA and AF do?

And maybe I should do some overclocking for little better performance?

The main issue I am worried about (since the low side of the FPS everyone else is getting seems to be about what I am getting anyway) is the high side. Shouldn't I be getting more than 100 FPS with that card and CPU at its peak?

Quote from stevewhite :

i got a 7600gt, and i only get down to about 15 fps with 20 ai, with 8xaa and 16xaf. The rest of my pc is much better though. i would say its a normal thing. How fast is your ram? That could make a difference. Just because you have 2gb of ram dont mean everything will be faster, a faster 1gb of ram in dual channel will out perform a slower 2 gb non-dual channel anyday. Seeing that lfs doesnt use up that much ram, i doubt its the problem. Scawen said it requires a hard-core pc, maybe the devs need to tweak it to get the fps higher when there are more ai.

It is 2x1Gig sticks of dual-channel. I forget what the timing actually is, but I think it was something like 2-3-3-5. Not to sure exactly though.

Quote from 510N3D :

On Topic, i really like the new layout. At first, it was a bit strange to concentrate on the line itself but i got used to it quicker then i thought. On thing i have missed is that you could open the entry and exit of turn three so one could be able to do a fast lap. You know what im talking about :P

I just watched your replay and i got this message (watch picture), so i did a quick run my self and uploaded the replay until yours is fixed. Maybe its just because we use different versions? Im on W10 right now.


Cheers mate

I know what you mean

And I will upload a new replay ASAP.

Quote from DEVIL 007 :

Hi,
did you have your graphic card overclocked? If yes it can throttle if its too much.

LFS cant use dual cores so its only like you would have A64 4000+.What FPS you get if you drive alone in single player on Blackwood.If its around 100-200 FPS that there is nothing wrong with your system.

MY FPS drop to mid/low 20s watching from last AI in the 20cars AI field on BLackwood.

I have A64 3200+@2.4Ghz and 7900GT which run 450/1400 but my FPS doesnt go higher if I overclokc it to 7950GT frequencies 550/1400.

As I said...drive with 1 CAR on BL in the wheel view and report your FPS.If its around 100-200 then there is nothing wrong with your system.

Dude, I know what my processor is since I built my machine. Granted it is the first one I have built, I know what is in it. And LFS runs with both cores operating. Fluke maybe? But it does run with both operating.

I will have to check my frames on single player alone as you said, though.

Quote from Dennisjr13 :

What is your processor and how much RAM do you have? I am guessing that your processor cannot take it as most can't handle 20 AI at decent framerates, no matter what the card.

AMD Athlon 64 FX-60 Dual-core 2.6GHz

2 Gig of RAM

I get only about 100 FPS during online play too.

Quote from ethan520 :

1 Do you have the latest drivers?
2 Did you replace the textures?
3 Have you tested the graphics card on other games? Did it work better with the other games? (Use Fraps for fps)
4 What are your systems specifications?
5 Did this happen when you started playing LFS or did it happen just now?

1.Yes
2.No
3.I have used it for other games but don't know the FPS (Battlefield 2)
4.See aboue
5.I think it was better when I got this card (about beginning of February). But I don't really remember completely.

For some reason my FPS only reaches about 100. And with 20 AI, it can drop into the teens on occasion.

The video card is supposed to have MUCH better performance than that but mine does not for some reason.

Any input?

See first post for update info.

Quote from LFSn00b :

Umm... Just randomly placed barriers.

Umm... They are not randomly placed. It took a lot of time to decide where to properly place the barriers depending on car width and racing line.

For example, I placed the barriers in turn 3 out a bit farther around where the hump is located so that it is not as likely that someone will wash up into the barrier when they lose grip over the bump. That is just one example.

Quote from keni007 :

hi. i tryed your track layout . its prety cool idear just need the barriers to be a little better . i did find my line was a bit out to your layout but that could just be the way i drive .
as for the set up its very simalar to plasik you know who i mean

Yeah, I know what you mean. But that is the set I always use and it is on setup field. So I figured why not post it with the other stuff.

Besides, oval sets do not tend to vary much, barring the bump set of course.

EDIT 3: I have removed some tire barriers in turn 3 so that you can go wide before your hotlap if you are hotlapping inorder to make a faster lap.



EDIT 2: I have completed the updated layout and have included 4 screenshots of the new layout, plus the new layout itself, and a replay of the new layout.



EDIT 1: I am currently editing the current layout to include a much smoother barrier system and possibly a few more split time locations to help one better understand where exactly they are losing time.



This is for anyone who is interested in improving their BF1 oval lap times.

I have created a layout that shows the best line through corners and forces you to enter and exit the corners well also.

It has taken me a while trying to figure out the best way to create the layout until I just thought of using tangent lines to act as the outside of the racing line in the corners.

The lines tend to funnel the driver into and out of the corner fording a pretty good race line. Of course the fine-tuning of the line depends on you.

I am sure this may work well with some other vehicles (such as FO8, FOX, etc.), but I developed it with the BF1 in mind.

I have included two screenshots, one replay, the layout, and and oval set. The set I am giving is the race set I used in the replay.



Sidenote on the setup: The setup comes set for an 8 lap race. 16% fuel should be used for this. Use 6th gear as 7th is for drafting. It IS NOT a set that you can bump with, but you can be bumped. It is a fast race set. And on starts, this set will want to spin to the right, so just cut the wheel to left on the start at about 10 o'clock and floor it and correct as necessary from there.

To turn the set into a hotlap set, all you have to do is put the rear wing to 1 degree, rear tires to R4, and 6-7% fuel for about 3 laps (2 warmup and 1 hotlap). And be sure the tires are warmed up for the hotlap to be fast.


ANY AND ALL FEEDBACK WELCOME! (Please comment if this helped you in any way)

Last edited by red_wing_2121, Thu, 19 Apr 2007 20:06. Reason : Updated the attatchments

I cannot get it to work at all!

Nothing happens when I hit the ctrl+z or push the button on the camhack itself.

This is the first layout I have ever posted on the forums.

It is a modified version of an indoor go kart track that is only a few miles from me. It is a place called Kart 2 Kart.

Hope you enjoy and looking forward to feedback

Last edited by red_wing_2121, Tue, 17 Apr 2007 01:09.

First of all: Why are most of the downloads on here *.rar files?

And second: Where can I find a program that can read them?

I am just curious what presets are.

Is it actually new vehicles added to the game or just different performance put into existing LFS vehicles?

How do you choose between the normal LFS vehicles and the preset ones?

Any other info welcome.

Quote from racer hero :

yay re wing is joining!

Sorry guys, but it looks like I already have plans for that date and will not be able to race.

Can the next 360 event be with BF1 if someone decides to put one on again? That would be cool!

Country: UNITED STATES
Driver Name: [HR] red_wing
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Team: Halford's Racing
Age: 21
Driver Number: 3