Quote from AndroidXP :

There is no oil/water temperature in LFS

Since there is no oil/water temps in LFS, then what are the chances of engine failure during a race? Is there a way to run the engine too hot during a race to the point of failure?

Here we go again

Quote from AndroidXP :

The hate in this thread is amazing illepall. Even though there are some interesting discussions coming from this thread, I think it should be locked for good. Maybe open a new seperate thread for the collision discussion, as it would be sad to see that one end.

Regarding the suspension movement, I cannot say wether the replays are representative of what happens in the physics engine (I hope not), but the point is, in every rFactor video I've seen the cars look absolutely dead. What conclusions someone might draw from that is a different story - my only one is that the cars look alot more static than they should.

Interesting post Android. In one paragraph you're condemming the hate within this thread and in the second paragraph your propagating it.

Doesn't matter, actually I have to agree with al heeley a few posts above.

:munching_ This is entertainment at it's finest.

Quote from tristancliffe :

When I'm driving I don't listen to the sounds, they are just there, telling me EXACTLY what is happening at EXACTLY that moment (minus a tiny bit of lag). Samples impress people, but synthesised sounds let you drive.

ummmm.. if you're not listening, then they aren't telling you anything.

"but synthesised sounds let you drive" I suppose Mario Kart is tops on your list too.

Quote from keiran :

That's still technically dodgy and I don't think they'd get off with that if someone took them to court.

Technically thats just like taking anything in the world and changing the name of it. ISI can't claim they are not selling the items either as they are part of the package which they are selling.

Keiran

From what I have read and heard...these "technically dodgy" tracks were made at the request of Intel for the BMW Sauber. ISI is sharing them with it's users.

Like I said this is second hand information.

@ Boris..your cars jumping around like a cartoon, it's just you. I have never witnessed this.

Quote from Callous Hooper :

GTR 2 is rated and it's not released yet.

It is released.

What are you guys smokin??

Quote from Shotglass :

if they were smart theyd vote

Very good point. But usually both parties have no one worth voting for.

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

OK, if you don't understand there is no need to put me down, dumbass. Thank you very much!

Well had you explained yourself correctly in your post I wouldn't have put you down...thank you very much!

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

Let me clarify a bit: When you drive on the front straight there are objects around the front straight alongside the road. They are called buildings. However, to me they are just boxes. They are boxes as, when I'm doing 300 km/h I won't be looking if the window has a handle for opening on the inside or not. If the intricate detail of the buildings was lost and only boxes (4 sides, colored gray) remained, that would be good enough for me, as I'm not looking at them anyway.

Now, if the high detail of the buildings (which I don't need) means I can't play the track, then I have have something I don't need not allowing to get what I want. And that's what got me fuming!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, I understood the building part and thank you for clarifing your point. The buildings or as you call them (boxes) are there for the immersion. Whether you look at them or not. If they weren't there you would be complaining on how lousey the track looked.

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

Frame rate issue on my side? All other tracks are ok. Monza front straight is not. I'm sorry, but at lowest video settings I still get 2 FPS??? That's crazy! And there's so much problems with this game. Conflict with Anti-Virus etc. Could've mentioned that in some FAQ, but nooo, they don't give a f*ck. Had me scratching my head for almost 2 hours.

I don't understand your 2 FPS issue at all, even at lowest video settings. I will admit there have been cases of that happening in "some" conversion tracks (mainly RD3 conversions) when a car would hit the wall or some other damage related issue but this has never been the case with ISI tracks. I have owned rFactor since it's release and NEVER had a problem with it. So your claim of "so much problems" is invalid. Maybe you have had problems, and for that I am sorry, but most users do not have any more problems with this game than they would any other. And your Anti-Virus conflict is in the readme.chm under "known issues" if you had bothered to look. It could have saved you hours of head scratching.

Last but not least. ISI devs DO give a f*ck! They care about their users every bit as much as the LFS devs do. They respond in the fourms and give help and tips just as much as the devs do here. More developers should take note and follow suit.

I like both LFS and rFactor.

Quote from PLAYLIFE :

EDIT: And another thing: The new Monza track is awsome with the oval and everything... However, when I arrive at the front straight, I suddenly get like 2 FPS... WTF!! I don't understand how they can make a track where I can get 2-30 FPS... Furthermore: this seems like wasting resources. If you make a track that needs a very good Graphics card then make the whole track pretty and shiny and not like friggin 10 seconds of 2 minutes. 1 minutes 50 sec of the track I can drive, 10 sec I can't drive even in a straight line... Can't imaging what will happen when there is a race start with 20 cars on the grid or smth. Minus 20 FPS?

EDIT: Yes, I love it that I can't play the new track because of some friggin boxes* on the side of the front straight!!!

* buildings

The new Monza track is awesome. Your issue with your 2 FPS is on your end. I haven't seen my frames drop below 60.

And WTF are talking about "friggin boxes" on the side of the front straight. Is there a sidewalk or something your trying to drive up on? Try the track, its much easier that way.

Last edited by Pain-less, Thu 14 Sep 2006, 19:54.

I would just get a new wheel. Never sell LFS!

The G25 is just around the corner.

BTW.. I have that same wheel, so I can't wait to get a new one

Quote from keiran :

I honestly can't believe someone would say that. I've come across huge rF fanboys (not pointing the finger at you) who will admit LFS trashes rF in the FFB department. When you play an ISI sim the feedback given is just rubbish. Understeer = 0 force and my wheel never ever counter-steers by itself making oversteer impossible to feel. Although not long after saying these sort of comments I get, "you n00b, it's not ISI fault you can't setup your hardware properly. You need to change this and that in the .ini file..."

I have to agree with this to some point. ISI's FFB isn't total rubbish but it does need tweaking. I actually use the FFB settings from GTR2's config.ini, and its close but still not the same as LFS. Then again maybe it's my wheel. I have a MS Sidewinder FFB, until the the new G25 comes out in October.

I would..but I'm at work

The mod you saw in the screenshots is CTDP F1 2005. The physics are very well done.

Quote from axus :

RSC supports mediocrity and misguidance.

"I don't like this about this sim. I think it should be like this instead. What do you guys think?" - "ZOMG, you fanboy!"

Thus, ISI sims never get out of their state of mediocrity and they are just almost the same product re-packaged with new cars and tracks because the fan base doesn't want anything more. They are willing to buy the same thing over and over again and the companies are giving them just that...

And that's your opinion, I can't say I agree with RSC "supporting" that type of behavior, although I do see it.

Your second paragraph describes marketing practices. Look at GTR and GTR2...fancy packaged "more of the same" "new & improved". In time LFS S3 will do the same. Maybe some new cars, new tracks, but pretty much the same thing. It's not called mediocrity but marketing. You provide the public with what they will purchase. LFS will be no exception to that rule. The devs have to make a living too.

Oh and BTW, I do like LFS

Quote from axus :

If you think seing the world through pink glasses is fine, then I can see why RSC and indeed ISI sims are in the state in which they are.

Just curious, but what state would that be?

I like them both LFS and rFactor. I even like GTL and GTR. I have them all, and will most likely buy GTR2. Although I spend most of my time in rFactor.


I also like Operation Flashpoint and Americas Army, anyone want to debate those? <I was just kidding about the debate>

Looks like you got your hands full BWX232

Quote from Becky Rose :

I for one wont be buying Vista. I'll be praying either for a consumer backlash and removal of all of it's DRM components, or i'll fully migrate to OSX and keeping XP just for LFS. Vista and DX10 will never get to see my hard disk, unless the corporations make significant changes to what they are planning to do.

DRM will most likely get hacked, before or just soon after Vista's release.

Hey KiDCoDEa..just in case you wanted to change your avatar.

Great movie Don..looks like a fun drive.

How about ...
1. You don't post the skins on LFS World.
2. When LFS exits, the x_skin folder is flushed.

Quote from rabidmaddog :

My machine is a typical 1 year-old, high-end, Nvidia based gaming machine which seems to run anything except Rfactor.

My machine is a 1 year old high end machine also and I have no trouble at all with rFactor. I will say that the graphics between the two are fairly comparable, my frames are about the same with both. I like the earthy tones of LFS but I find everything too sparkly. I am struggling with finding the happy medium between sparkly or too being too rubbed out looking. But overall the graphics are very nice. In rFactor there is some sparkling usually in asphalt on converted tracks but I know how too solve that problem. I will say though, that a lot of converted tracks are too bright and over saturated in color. As for the blueish look, I have calibrated my monitor to 6500K Daylight. I believe most monitors are set at 9500K which is way too blue, I could be wrong though, have been before. All in all I play rF alot more than I do LFS. But they both look really good IMO.

BTW..all these shots are unedited