Quote from Storm_Cloud :

Team orders in place for Red Bull - both slowed considerably as Vettel had gearbox problems, but Webber wasn't in any particular trouble.

Wonder what would have happened if Webber was in front but struggling?

I think they told Webber "fuel saving is critical" when in fact it wasn't!

Quote from JJ72 :

What the hell, a good dry race??!!!

all they need to do is to lay down some Canadian tarmac on all the boring tracks!

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Quote from 5haz :

We unlike the FIA, have common sense. (Well, not everbody)

and Schumacher didn't get a penalty this time too.

Drivers will keep doing that as long as the stewards keep on going not punishing it.

Quote from BenjiMC :

i..don't...care...

in which case, good luck

Quote from 5haz :

So that makes it acceptable? All that proves is how inconsistant the FIA still are.

no one would say FIA have ever been consistant.

And obviously to their eyes it is acceptable. Who are we normal viewers to judge that it is unacceptable?

Quote from Mustafur :

Im surprised there was no penalty against Hamilton for unsafe release.

they showed a replay from Alonso's on board.

Ferrari pitbox was right behind McLaren. And when the McLaren lollipop lifted, Alonso was just beginning to accelerate out of his box.

How could they penalise that?

Quote from BenjiMC :

ye i know, i was wondering when this happened. Think it's time to get my binoculars and gps tracking beacon i attached to her re-activated.

earlier this year.

The news was all over the net.
autosport, BBC, and perhaps even Top Gear. lol

Perhaps she's "taken" already by now through.

Quote from 5haz :

Schumi was weaving and trying to force cars off track.

unfortunately he wasn't the only one that do it. The FIA have been quite lenient on these kind of things so far this year.

eg. Kubica shoved Massa onto the grass at Turkey on the opening lap (and they did made wheel to wheel contacts).

Quote from BenjiMC :

Huh! ex!?

ex-gf, was too lazy to type lol

Quote from DarkTimes :

Schumi's aggressive moves were understandable when he was fighting for championships, but it's crazy (and dangerous) to keep doing them as a midfield car.

a fight for position is a fight for position no matter if it is for a win or a 20th place.

Quote from Boris Lozac :

Fantastic race by Hamilton, fantastic girls in Canada... but i want Nicole

I want Jessica (Jensen's ex)

the backmarkers have been pretty bad today. But I wouldn't mind because it also creates plenty of action!

can they survive without pitting again~? Lewis is starting to struggle and there are "only" 13 laps to go.

Lets hope they won't bring out the safety car for debris on track again. XD
it looks pretty dirty at the braking zone for the final chicane.

40 laps to go, my money is on the leading cars needing another two pit stops.

Quote from DarkTimes :

That's what they're saying on the BBC feed.

just that I don't get BBC coverage...

the 2nd time Alonso got passed round the outside going into the final chicane in Canada.

the last time~? when Alonso was in a McLaren, got passed by Sato in the Super Aguri, in pretty much the same fashion.

I have a feeling this might be at least a 3 stop race. The hard tyres weren't lasting more than 15 laps~?!

Quote from 5haz :

That'll be another penalty for Lewis.

no he most probably won't be penalised.

When Lewis' lollipop was lifted, Alonso was still in his pit box just starting to accelerate away.

Jensen was doing a good job for Lewis, but his tyres are destroyed~!!

Quote from amp88 :

BBC reporting Webber will take a five place grid drop for a gearbox change.

what a way to avoid another crash between the RBs. I was hoping for carnage between these two at the first corners.

Quote from BenjiMC :

According to gary paffet or nick heidfield(during one of the practice sessions) running the extra 3-10 kg of fuel or whatever doesn't really make that much of difference but i do understand the point of everyone doing it, i just don't think they will all do it. After all lewis ran out on the back straight so it was just a minor mis calculation more than anything. Not so on purpose as you're making out amp.

BTW, 5haz, it's not a good look

but it only "ran out" on the back straight after Lewis cruised very slowly on the in lap, which was basically not allowed, and ultimately the reason of the 10k fine.

Quote from amp88 :

Well, if it happens again and the penalty isn't 10k then that's even worse. A precedent has been set and everyone should meet the same penalty (at least until the end of the season where they can clarify the regs).

as I said earlier, the FIA and the stewards doesn't do case precedent, unless it's a prescribed penalty written black and white into the regulations. The teams should have and would have known this fact.

Quote from amp88 :

I've bolded the relevant section of the quote because that's why I said it was cheating. What's stopping the team's all doing this? The rule that Hamilton fell foul of and got fined for. So, he broke a rule because the penalty wasn't harsh enough (offer any team in the pitlane pole for a 10k fine and they'll jump at it).

Just that no one can guarantee next time it'll also only be a 10k penalty...

Quote from 5haz :

What? He had enough fuel to take the flag under his own power, what happens afterwards is generally considered unimportant, unless of course you happen to be desperate to discredit the driver in question. If this had happened to say, a Lotus or even a Ferarri or Renault, nobody would bat an eybrow, different for Mclaren though.



Theres nothing stopping other teams doing the same when they find themselves in the same situation.

I don't understand this attitude in modern F1 where doing anything to claim the 'unfair advantage' is considered illegal, even when within the rules. The teams and drivers want success handed to them on a plate, and there is uproar whenever anbody tries to better themselves through clever exploitation. F1 isn't fair, everyones favourite driver or team dosen't always get to win and people need to cut down on the crying and whinging.

no, they should have enough fuel to reach the pits after crossing the line, that's what the "having one litre of fuel for a fuel sample" rule was intended for.

Just that at the moment nothing stops a team from switching off the engine afterwards to make sure they got enough fuel in the tank for the fuel sample.

And no one would know whether the FIA will clarify or amend the regulations to clear things up.

Quote from amp88 :

Heh, so it's OK for teams to run out of fuel on the inlap as long as it doesn't disadvantage anyone else? That seems unfair to those who choose not to run out of fuel. Hamilton needed 2 flying laps to get pole yesterday. If he'd only done one flying lap then pitted (which was McLaren's intention since that was what he was given fuel to do) he would have been 4th on the grid. The team knew (and Hamilton either would or should have known) that they didn't have enough fuel for a second flying lap. Hamilton did the second flying lap, got the pole position and ran out of fuel. There's no doubt in my mind (and I don't see how there could be in anyone else's...) that McLaren and Hamilton deliberately ran out of fuel to get pole position. It's this that I'm annoyed about.

it wasn't ok. McLaren got their punishments for it, albeit a very light one.

There're nothing to stop the stewards handing out much harsher penalty next time the same thing happens. That's the bigger problem, no one could estimate what sort of penalties would be handed down if it ain't written black and white in the regulations.

Quote from amp88 :

So, did McLaren accidentally put too little fuel in Hamilton's car or did they do it on purpose? How exactly do you tell?

it'll be hard...

but at least Lewis was the last car to cross the line and there was no one behind, so it wasn't dangerous in this case.

Lewis most probably did one more lap than originally planned after stuffing the first flyer and then find himself have enough time (just) to start the next flyer. But this is just pure speculation, and perhaps McLaren planned for another flyer but didn't put quite enough fuel. And they got fined and reprimanded for that action.

At the end of the day, with the FIA, there are no case precedent, F1 ain't run under the common law system. (And this is the nicest way I can put it, FIA and the stewards ain't known for consistency in their decisions anyway).

Quote from amp88 :

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so they should be fine as long as they have one litre left in the tank~?

since it doesn't said anything about cars switching engines off after being scared of not having more than 1litre in the tank.

the stewards might take a different view of course, and it's ultimately up to them to decide.