There has been a thread, that is being talking about, and the common thing I see is the desire for an "old style" pick up race series, which got me thinking...is there really interest out there.

Here is my thoughts:

XFG Cup or GT CUP with restrictions on the XRG so its closer to XFG
2 Race format
1st Sprint race - 10 laps - Top 7 Finishes Reverse Grid
2nd Feature Race - 15 Laps with Forced Pitstop
12 Rounds ( 2 races per round = 24 races)
Race day Sunday Evenings (approx 5-6pm)
Taking on my laptimes ( and I am not quick) races should be complete by 8pm
Races every other Weekend or every weekend

Top 3 drivers from the Previous round have to add weight to the next round, even up the field during the course of the competition.

Qualification Hot laps can be sent in to determine what Grid position you start on with a maximum of 3 being being submitted, although offline you can do as many as you want.

I know it sounds very similar to the current/last years BTCC, which if you watch it, works really well, is interesting and give good close racing.

There will be no forced cockpit
Nothing forced in Setups (except if you drive the XRG)
No restriction on where you live (depending on your connection speed)
S2 Licensed drivers ONLY!!

Anyway, what's your thoughts?

Regards

Fordie

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Fordman! LFSCART still exists. Entry is low however there's a race this evening that people can still join. It's KY1R, but the last 2 rounds of the season are at Fern Bay and KY2. Which should be fun.

Oh Sorry Dawes, didn't realise.

Just found this http://www.lfs-league.com/

Wonder if they are still about?

What I did with ESL was, they had to upload 1 skin for the series, again, I think the same as above, why have different skins each week, your car skin is not like your underwear for example, but we designed a Windscreen Banner that ALL had to use.

On replays and watching the race, it looked really smart.

We all seem to be pushing in the same direction here and wanting the same thing???

Bring back STTC/ LFSCART and the OLFSL?

Fordie

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

It becomes hard though. For instance, I love to drive, so to organize an event and drive is impossible.

Yep found that problem with my "random" servers. I love to drive, but to watch for the "idiots causing havok" is a nightmare...and this is just your drive and race servers, this is not a league server either

Fordie

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

i miss stcc for that reason too. Tbo racing around tracks that fit for it. So1, so3, so2, fe1, fe rallyx. Nice tracks for the class, and it was excellent.

+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 :d

WARNING!!!! Without reading every post going, so don't shoot me down here.

I used to love racing in leagues, and running them to be honest. You will always get a couple of now shows, but it happens in every sport in real life.

I looked at some leagues, and there seems to be only GTR's, Endurance, or single seaters. What happened to the class of GTI's, like the very very successful OLFSL. When Andre and co (me) used to run this, we used to divise the grid by hotlaps. Example, you had 1 week, to send in your hotlap, in your own time, when you can and before the shut off date, to determain what grid u was one. So 1 week, you could be on grid A, but then on Grid B. This put the drivers that was closest in laptimes on the same grid It worked

TIME.....to run a league properly you need time, effort, website skills, friends to help admin the league, good servers, and obviously drivers. Without any of the above, it will not work. Andre had all of these and more.

The "real" problem, sorry hate the C word for personal reasons is all the Blackwood servers out there. Lets get some variety going on. If you log on just to take a look, and you see 15 BL servers, and 1-2 poss different I think, who whats the point, and log off. And stop all this Multi-Multi class servers. I mean GTR/LX/Single seaters and GTI/UF1....come one...seriously, what is the point??

But LFS isn't dead, its a bit like a vintage bottle of wine. Your saving the best till last, as you know the longer you leave it, the better the taste will be LOL...problem is though, with all fine wines, there is a best before date

Fordie

Last edited by Fordman, Fri, 26 Jul 2013 18:36.

This is very borderline, but funny....

If you have sex with a prostitute without her consent, is it classed as Rape or shop lifting

Hay guys

I know you all have good points, but these are now pointing in the direction of the wish list.

Please keep this thread, non argumentative, informative, and leaning towards that we, as a community would just like an update, no matter how small or big, just a continuous progress report would be nice, I think we all agreed on this?

Like somebody said, Scawen either doesn't have time, or is not the PR type, so ask somebody to do it. I know there is plenty of people on here that would take the time, of there own time to be a PR person to the community...I know I would

Cheers

Fordie

Quote from Woz :

I would join your server but as I am have been on the other side of the world for so long the timezone and ping are an issue. The killer down here is there is not much action on the servers hence my waiting for S3 to spark interest again and fill up local servers

Ping should not be an issue, I have Fibre Baby Yeah

Time zone's might be an issue, but over a weekend, might make it

Fordie

Team BR vs Afri-Cola in a online race at SO long......First race, I finished 5th to qualifiy for Pole for 2nd Race.

2nd Race started on Pole, with team mate Krak behind me and he protected me all the way...to my first win online in competition....I had sweaty palms, you name it...was just awesome.

Some others:
Downtown Movie with Joecool
We raced all night movie with Joecool
Running 1st and 2nd season with ESL (used to be only Germany had this privilege)
Creating Triple 7 Racing and seeing it go from strength to strength and still going strong
Being part of a fantastic community which I never had on any other game

Fordie

Quote from Woz :

Another long term die hard here that was around during RSC days. It is saddening see how progress has dropped off from the S1 to S2 transition.

Early on in RSC you could post ideas and get dev feedback, there was constant visible progress and things were in a constant state of flux.

It was an exciting time. Constant updates and the community was strong and supportive of each other. I even remember Fordman taking time to watch me drive and give me pointers early on that helped me loads

Around the time of S2 I even got close to sinking a whole pile of cash into buying 4 * 301 sims and setting up a race center based on LFS. Communication with the devs was easy and had some good feedback about possibility of how LFS accounts and guest accounts could be operated in that setting etc.

Now I have not played in years but monitor this forum in a hope that some news might crop up that would spark my interest in LFS again. LFS is something that sucked as much of my time as Quake3, many many hours of driving.

No other race sim managed to grab me in the same way. I hope LFS is not dead but it feels like it. Even an update of yes we are working on LFS and it is not dead would be great news

Nice to see you still about Woz Grab that wheel and come and join some old S1 fun on my 0.3H7 Server sometime

I think it is now me that needs pointers HA HA HA, but thanks for the comment. Like you said, it was a strong community and little things like that was appreciated. Now all you get is "what do you know" and "who do you think you are" when you try and help....then get smashed off the road.....anyway, diversing here, back on topic.

As they say in football "Scawen Give us a wave, Scawen, Scawen Give us a Wave ....worth a try

Fordie

Last edited by Fordman, Wed, 24 Jul 2013 18:05.

Quote from Matrixi :

Right on the money there.

Whenever I've been critical about LFS' progress or its shortcomings, it's not because I hate the devs or want to mock them, it's because I still want it to be THE best sim out there and want the devs to be aware of the biggest issues and flaws and do something about them. I mean we haven't been sticking around with the same piece of software for over 10 years now because we dislike it.

That said, it has become pretty hard to recommend LFS to newcomers now in its current state, before it was the obvious and only option.

+1000 Agree

hi Dawes

Fair play mate, just seen this, and your right

22.03.2003: 0.2A - Demo test, similar to S1 but without the new cars & tracks
17.07.2003: 0.3A - S1
10.08.2005: The new official LFS forum goes online

So where on earth did Jan 2003 come from

Fordie

PS - Just in case anybody try's to judge the DAWES, our LFS Yoda....here it all is LOL http://en.lfsmanual.net/wiki/About_LFS#History_of_LFS

Where are the others. I have been told they are still about, but haven't replied....surely somebody know's where they are

Fordie

You can download all the versions here

Its only the 0.3H7 that is compatible with the Master Server, as Scawen did this, hence why the only one I am running

Fordie

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Well, remember that in the Pre-S1 days.. there was no LFS account, you joined servers just non-chalant with whatever nickname. It wasn't until S1 was released that we all started to have an LFS account.

This forum was created in 2004/2005. There was no way for any of us to have joined before its creation.

The join date that is listed is the date that one created their LFS account, either for the purchase of S1 or just because they wanted a specific username.

Hmm not correct. As my join date here is Jan 2003. I just checked my LFS account, and it says I paid for S1 on 29th May 2003 and this was before the release. This forum was created in 2003, hence why we all have a join date.

Check here http://www.lfs.net/?page=oldernews and scroll to the bottom, Sep 2002, so I was 1 year out on my "find" date, 2002 is when I found it and joined RSC. New website (Jan. 8th, 2003 15:05) and Forum was released at the same time.

thur, jul. 17th, 2003 23.45
S1 is out! - Offical news S1 was released for download

So as you can see, the dates don't tally up when you needed a S1 account and joined the forum.

Fordie

Quote from dawesdust_12 :

Fordman, the Join Date here is synchronized to whenever you created your LFS account (so likely when S1 was about to be released).

Hi Dawes, no it's not mate. It is the date you joined this Forum, it is not linked to LFS the Sim in any way.

LFS was operating from RSC for a good 2-3yrs before it moved to it's own dedicated forum. My actual join date that I first started racing LFS was 22nd September 2001. I know sad that I remember this date

Quote from DHRammstein :

Anyway, why is it such an issue, and why is it so hard to believe, some of us are old, older... and have been around a very long time on the pc sim scene
We old farts are just more patient I guess?

Well Said DHRammstein LOL

Fordie

Last edited by Fordman, Mon, 22 Jul 2013 18:42.

Quote from MousemanLV :

Sir Fordie, you mentioned that you've been around for decades. A decade is ten years. Not sure if mistyped or something..

Nope MousemanLV...I Found LFS in 2001/2002 I think, and my join date here is 2003, so now in 2013, so that's 10yrs just on here, but LFS was going strong way before, in RaceSimCentral forums.

So no, not a typo.

There is plenty of us around, that have been here a decade, and still are, not just me.

Like my avatar says, I am not a tourist...I live here LOL

Fordie

Sorry for the delay, I will get it up asap

If anybody is interested, I can bring the server up tonight, in about 30mins

Regarding the OP....I agree with what you say, a simple update is nothing, no matter how small it is or big, just something, as "its done when its done" is getting tired now.

And before you get the "oh here come's the oldies whinging again" posters we are not, we are purely asking for a little, if so little progress report. Scawen and co must know how much progress they have made and when it will be approx finished, if not, then there is no project management going on. Done when its done does not work in any project or company I have ever worked for, no matter what problems are thrown at you.

We, as a community don't need to know the added content, what we can expect in S3, but just that is getting closer would be nice.

Again, like most, I have been here decades, and still here, doing different things, trying to keep it fun and interesting but something from the devs would be great.

Even if they said "we are planning on a October release" for example and them have to put it back due to unforeseen problems, at least we know...they are fixing them before a final release.

Fordie

No that was "fun" with a capital F. Everybody was on the same level, no alien drivers and no ridiculous times, was just great pure close racing

Will have to do it again sometime

Fordie

Server is now working and open

Yes Gav (p1lot) I can see yours

hmm wonder why ?