glad you like it

Good Luck to PM in BOTT and RSSC

Its ok now,
He was just on holidays

We are good to go with option 2

Userbars are updated

no,
Ill get onto that right way

huh?

We are trying to find a track where the 2 cars are more evenly matched

All competitors please checkout these threads and voice your opinions

division sorting (backup plan)
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=27536
Class Balancing
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=27933
Problem: South City Car Limit
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=28144

Last edited by Arrow., Mon, 23 Jul 2007 07:59.

If we are unable to get ahold of WolleT's LFS tracker we need a backup plan

i was thinking something similiar to my idea on the division sorting
Open 3 servers few weeks before round 1
Example combos:
FWD: Kyoto National Reverse - XFG
RWD: Blackwood GP - GTR
Open wheeler: South City Town - MRT
There will be 3 x 20mins Qualifying sessions on each server
To determine the divisions take fastest lap from each team and from all 3 servers. Add these lap times together as a total this will decide the divisions
from here it will work same as last season 16 teams 32 drivers (2 cars per team)
Same division all 8 rounds

Why dont we swap KY2r with GTRs and put XFG/XRG on Blackwood GP
Its the most probly the best combo for the XFG/XRG to be even

XFG - 1:32.890
XRG - 1:32.750

If Kyoto ring Nation Reverse is to short for GTR we can use this
August 25th - Blackwood GP - XFG/XRG
September 8th - South City Town - MRT
September 22nd - Westhill International - XFR/UFR
October 6th - Aston North - TBO
October 20th - Kyoto Ring Long - GTR
November 3rd - Fern Bay Green Reverse - LRF
November 17th - Kyoto Ring National Reverse - F08
December 1st - Aston Grand Touring Reverse - FOX[/color]
(every fortnight on saturday)

I need your opinions asap. If not i will make the decisions myself, sorry but we need to get things sorted.

Maybe we should cross that bridge when we come to it,
if worst comes to worse we will have to change tracks

Ok if we have 1 team driver in XFG and 1 in XRG
server 1 could end up with all XRG's and server 2 could be all XFG
that'll work wont it

LFS only allows 32 doesnt it? and it will say "race is full" if the 32th drivers trys too join

I've always had excellent racing at BL1 XFG/XRG
looking at LFSworld these track have very close times between XFG and XRG
- Blackwood Reverse
- Fern Bay Club
- Aston Cadet Reverse
- Aston North
and South City but it only allows 30 cars

I've been trying to get in contact with the man who made the LFS Tracker
WolleT but have had no replies yet.

Would anyone be able to help with this?

Yeah the guys from Ozbee-r who host the Monday Night Racing
Australian league had some issues with this, its not there fault at all but i think we should all be aware of this

The reason why last series multicar combos wasnt a problem was because we already had 2 Fwd, 2Rwd combos no matter what car everyone else chose.

here are some of my suggestions.
- remove XRG from round 1. make it XFG only
- Swap GTRs to Ky national reverse and XFG/XRG to Blackwood
- Or UF1 at any track

I have come across a fairly big problem.

South City tracks only allow 30 cars on the grid at one time
is there anyway around this?

We need atleast 2 FWD, 2RWD and 2 Open wheeler rounds to explorer most of the car that LFS has to offer and in order to find the best teams.

For Example
Round 1: XFG/XRG
The xrg is .6 quicker which means everyone will chose xrg and if XFG does not run there will be only 1 FWD round.
We either..
- restrict the XRG
- XFG only
- Or UF1 with (possibly a different track)

What is your opinion on this?
and Should we inforce 1 car type only per round on all 8 rounds?

Option 2 it is then

ill be organising a test day asap to make sure it will all go to plan with when we race in August

Its working fine for me

Too bad if he really wanted to restore the car himself

Due to the sad closing of SciroccoPlayer.
Speed Core has taken there place

Last edited by Arrow., Mon, 23 Jul 2007 10:19.

yeah im willing to go with whatever you all think is best.
i just dont want things getting messy and confusing that is my only worry.

limited laps on the server is a good idea however it doesnt restrict anyone from practising offline.
Limited laps imo i wouldnt work because people will just go offline practise till there hearts content then jump on the server

Option 1

Open 3 servers for 2 weeks each on different combos
FWD: Kyoto National Reverse - XFG
RWD: Blackwood GP - GTR
Open wheeler: South City Town - MRT
All team drivers can enter the servers and set a times
The Tracker will record all the times which will be displayed on the BOTT website (coming soon).
To determine the divisions take fastest lap from each team and from all 3 servers. Add these lap times together as a total this will decide the divisions
from here it will work same as last season 16 teams 32 drivers (2 cars per team)
Same division all 8 rounds

Reasons why:
- No time wasting and mucking around before rounds, waiting for all 96 drivers to minimize check what server they are in and get into grid positions
- Has more of a competitive feel about it (imo) trying to get some fast times in to be put into a decent division aswell as trying to move up divisions
- More team effort/spirit working together on the servers sharing setups, tips ect
- 3 combos in different cars and track same as the series so the teams in Div A should be the fastest

Reasons why not?
- may get some people driving on the server for hours on end how ever this would be no different then practice for the rounds and pauls method
- may take some time to sort and add together the lap times.

Option 2

Idea (paul's):
If you scrap divisions, and the whole promotion & relegation idea, and put all 48 teams into 1 big pot and then. At 20utc on race day put 16 random team into each server for 20min qualifying after qualifying the results will be displayed from the tracker and it will tell you which server you need to join http://www.lfs-tracker.de/quali_mode.php?league=71
This will happen every round

In Server A, points are awarded 90, 89, 88.... 62, 61
In Server B, points are awarded 60, 59, 58.... 32, 31
In Server C, points are awarded 30, 29, 28.... 2, 1

This means that in each server you should have the guarantee that your racing with 30 drivers of pretty much the same ability as each other. Being last in S-A would give you 1pt more than coming first in S-B, meaning the 30th placed driver gets 1 point more than the 31st placed.
This means 1 team driver can be in server A and 1 in Server C

Reasons why:
If the series ran in this manner there would be rounds where you had the potential to really be rewarded for a good result at a round, you wouldnt be limited to the points that division offers, you would be entitled to race with those you were equal to, not who your forced to race with in that division.


Another bonus is for the sake of future teams. Anyone that doesnt compete in any 'division qualifying stage' doesnt get the quick step up to a higher division, in future they'd have no other choice but to start at the bottom step of the ladder (Division 3, maybe 4!) and work their way up from that.
While that might not bother those already taking part, there are teams who arent involved in this season, and any decent team that could be a match for mid-division or higher level or racing would have no choice but to 'rough it' at the bottom season after season until they're in with their 'equals'. This method makes everyone 'equals' when qualifying opens, if your quick then you race with the quick guys, if you suck then hey, you get to race with me when i do the odd round!!
Is expecting some of the quicker teams to start from the bottom going to be encouraging for their future entry or is it going to be looked at as a reason not to compete? Afterall, if theres 2 seasons per year, who wants to complete in a season for 1+ year to get to those your competitive with?
Geniune question, of the Division 1 capable team guys taking part this season be willing to take part in the series if we were say 1yr on and an established series of divisions existed and it wouldnt be till 12 months time that you had some meaningful opposition to compete with?
IMO any quick team that isnt in now wouldnt look too fondly upon this measure, and as day to day leader of Mercury i dont think i'd be all that fussed about taking part, we'd want to race with equal ability drivers/teams. So does divisions make for a good series? Anyone still even reading this??

Reasons why not?
- problem is that maybe some of the lower teams may feel that they dont have something to challenge for, i guess its always nice to win something and if its winning Division 2 or 3 then its a step, maybe '3rd in Div2' is considered more of an acheivement than '15th in BOTT' even if its actually the same thing.
- After qualifying having to wait for 96 drivers to find there server and get sorted into there grid position for the race. some people could get lost or lose connection which can hold up the racing


Poll closes in 4 days

Last edited by Arrow., Tue, 10 Jul 2007 09:10.

I've been waiting for some more discussion

but looks like i will just put a poll up soon