I would describe the seating and pedal position in my Nixim as a the perfect sports car driving position.
Heel and toe driving is no different to that of your Mazda or Porche or Ferrari - heck I am using a G25 and H&T is second nature especially in games like GPL or GTL.
What makes H&T more difficult, is not having a progressive pressure to the brake pedal to work from, not your actual seating position - though with rubbish pedals it may help if you had an unrealistic driving position - like sitting as if you were drivng a truck.
The quality and feel of your pedals are the make or break for heel and toe driving, - not your actual seating position.
Heel and toe technique of driving was one of the most important thing when I was developing Rinoseat.
For using this tehniques of driving, you must UNLOAD YOUR LEGS AND FOOT WITH PROPERLY POSITION OF ANGLE PEDALS PLATE!!!
Good simrace seat must have the following options:
1. long seat base (you unload your legs)
2. long side suport seat base (we discovered that you must have support when you push your pedals with heel and toe and that you rotate your foot)
3. proper angle of seat base (you get the feeling, that your legs are levitating)
4. small thickness of sponge under your knees (what we discovered from praxis was that your brain must feel one fixed position on your legs, one point of your legs must be fixed so that you could push pedals)
5. posibility (an option) that you can extend your legs without moving up your knees (even in case that you are 200cm height)
6. properly set height diference (distance) betwen your seat base and pedal plate
7. posibility that you can change angle of your pedal (correct angle is VERY IMPORTANT for your foot)
8. strong support for your pedal plate without flexing it (when you push your pedals, you produce really big force)
9. free space between your legs under knees
You can ask driver shown on this video anything about that. He used Rinosat for the last month with special attention on heel and toe technique (his review) ...Also I noted that my skills regarding pedals control has improved ALOT - because of my legs resting freely on the seat, and not floating in the air which is case if I'm driving on my regular chair... http://forum.racesimcentral.com/show...2&postcount=33
Of course, you must have quality pedals, like you must have quality seating position, too. (G25 is fine, like you see)
P.S. We are preparing a special video with Rinoseat & Richard Burns Rally (Heel and toe technique of driving)
I agree that proper pedal placement and pedal feel is important. That's why after looking at all the pedal choices out there I decided to buy the CST's. For what it's worth I've never sat in a nixim cockpit so I can't argue that it does not have an ideal driving position. But if my goal is to emulate a car, I think it's important that the relative position of the pedals, wheel, shifter are as close as possible to an actual car - even if real cars' cockpits have safety/cost constraints and are not ideal.
I can't speak for everyone here of course. Not everyone is trying to emulate a car. Some may want an F1 style cockpit, others might want something small and portable, etc
It looks like I opened up a can of worms. Let's try to keep this discussion civil
People buying the rinoseat probably aren't spending thousands of dollars on wheels and pedals. It fills a niche for a cheap cockpit. Shipping to the US for the base nixim alone costs more than the rinoseat itself!
I dont think its fair to compare the rinoseat with more expansive seats. Rinoseats purpose was to be easy to set up for a race and then take it away when not needed anymore.
And by that it does a very good joob. No doubt bout that.
I think you have to put different seats into different classes. Simple as that.
By the way, whats up with "my chassis can take nearly half a ton on the wheelmount"
Is that something really needed on a playseat. Or is it if you hit a wall in 200k/hm and the rigg can stand the inpact or somthin
"- image shows that my chassis can take nearly half a ton on the wheelmount"
Has a slightly different context I think, -
No, being able to take that sort of weight is - probably over the top I agree, as I said before.
Its not about the weight carrying ability, but the weight does indicate strength and most of all stiffness and If I want a realistic feel from my controls then they have to be fixed to something as stiff as a real car body - or as near as possible.
That way, when I ditch my G25 for some high end stuff, the feel of realism will be much richer.
That whole wheelmount assembly is very heavy to, further enhancing the feel of solidity and realistic mass, - so yes to me - it is something you need.
I'm thinking of getting an ECCI control set but I've not made my mind up yet,
Users tell me go for it, but I dunno without FF, because without FF then I won't get the best from the chassis.
So I'm thinking whilst I'm getting on with my reasonably good G25, I'll just hang on for a while and see what new stuff develops.
Maybe sometime I may get a chance to test a VPP wheel, we'll see...
I think it's a good thing everyone's passionate about the products they sell and own, but I don't want this thread to get locked. I think there's enough info about the rinoseat in this thread to keep me busy reading for a few years.. let's give some owners of other cockpits a chance to share their experience with us.
Used for LFS only (best racing sim!!!)
cost??? in the 4 digits
hardware: Look at pics and figure it out
most frequent question asked: Does it make you go faster?
answer: No, but at my age its not speed that counts but comfort :haha: