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Quote from Kid222 :

you should just think twice more often, before you spout something on forums. It doesn't do any good to anyone.

You are talking to the wrong person I guess.. I've had it a little with people who have 0,0000001% experience with LFS (S2) and start to rage about for example a RB4 texture. This is about Westhill getting an update and the people with the biggest mouth don't even know what the current track looks like. And I should say nothing about that? Funny. No, not in my book, sorry.

I agree with cargame.nl here. Why urge him to show some restraint, when the whiners aren't showing any?

I never understood all the complaints about the lack of progress of LFS.
- If you think speedy, significant updates were part of the deal when you bought an S2 license: You didn't read carefully.
- If you think complaining, sarcasm, and ranting will stimulate Scavier to work harder: Think again, or perhaps get a brain first.
- If you think Scavier are doing a lousy job developing LFS: Go buy another sim, or create one yourself.

So if there's a progress report from the devs and the main reaction is whining, then I can only agree with cargame.nl's conclusion: Spoiled kids.

It looks like you were trying to read the SPR file directly. LRA can not read these, you first have to create a RAF file from the SPR. The LRA manual (included in the ZIP file) describes how you can do that.

Well, dem Yanks should be glad they didnt adopt the metric system.
Cuz a tower of 1,776 metres woulda cost a helluva lot more money.

Quote from Tilus :

Hi, how can I analyze my first lap or the 1 lap long autocross events?

Unfortunately, you can't. This is a limitation of LFS: it can not generate a RAF file for autocross laps, or in any case, a file that contains useful data (see also this post). For the first lap of a single-player race, there is a similar problem: when you instruct LFS to write a RAF file, the car must be some minimum distance before the start/finish line, and at the start of the race, your car is already too close.

Quote from thisnameistaken :

No I'm not ill, nor am I brave. Two friends of mine are currently recovering from operations to remove cancers, and we got talking about how nobody simply receives cancer treatment, they are instead said to be 'battling' it. And because they are involved in this constant battle they are also said to be 'brave'.

People don't "battle" cancer, they are suffering from it. And if some people use the word "battle", then I suspect it's mainly as a cop-out, because they can not deal with the suffering that is involved. They twist the words so they can ignore the misery. They try to see purpose and meaning where there is none.

(Personal background: Two years ago my wife was diagnosed with colon cancer, with additional tumors in liver and lungs. Since then she has undergone surgery 4 times and has had 6 rounds of chemo. At one point we were told that a tumor couldn't be removed and she'd only have a few months to live; the doctor turned out to be mistaken. At the moment there are no tumors, but the long-term survival stats are pretty bad. Our kids aged 9 and 11 still face the prospect of losing their mother within the next coupe of years.)

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So what happens to the ones who die? Do they die bravely? Did they die because they were weak or cowardly or simply shit at battling?

Good question. And because most of us will eventually succumb to some disease or other, we're all cowards and losers in the end, right?

Quote from ricebug :

SO3R RAF file loaded as SO2R file(XFR).

You're right, it mentions the wrong track. Fortunately, it shows the correct track map.

Quote from xfirestorm :

So it should be able to analyse open configs?

Um, no. As far as I can see, the RAF files that the current version of LFS generates are practically empty (for open configs, I mean), and can't be used by LRA or by any other analyser. But even if LFS would be updated, then it's unlikely that LRA will be able to handle them. I'll try to explain below.

In a RAF file for a closed config, each sample contains the car's distance from the start line. This measure makes it possible to compare two laps: if car A is at the same distance as car B, then they're at the same spot in the lap (though not at exactly the same X and Y coordinates), and it makes sense to compare their speed etc. For every closed config, LFS also has a PTH file that contains the "path" i.e. the standard trajectory for a lap. The distance I mentioned is measured along this path

AFAIK, open configs don't have such a standard path. So do laps on the Autocross track, BTW: the AU track itself is just a big square, and a lap is only defined by the objects in the layout.

LRA was built with the assumption that such a path is available. I have thought about making it suitable for Autocross laps, but there was no easy solution.

Furthermore, I've stopped further development of LRA (for personal reasons). I'm monitoring this thread only to provide support and to solve serious bugs, should they be discovered. The source code is available in the release, so others could take it on, but I know that that's not everyone's idea of a fun time.

All in all, the chances of being able to analyse open-config laps are pretty thin.

Quote from xfirestorm :

my guess is that LRA can't yet analyse laps that are on 0.6B open config track right? Or is there another cause for this error, when I load a .raf from an open track config: Error loading "filename": File format error (block count = 0) And from the file list, the .raf files that were recorded on open configs are grayed out.

The error message and the grayed-out files both mean that those RAF files do not contain any usable data. The "block count" is the number of car states (= samples) that LFS wrote to the RAF file. You can check that by looking at the file size. If the file contains only some header data, then it will be a few 100 bytes. Valid RAF files are at least 100k, up to a few megabytes.

Quote from Bryan1 :

First of all great work here
Is it possible to read ride height and tyre temps? I know I can do it in game but it would be nice to see it graphed.

By "ride height" you probably mean the live height of the wheel, not the one in the setup. That is called "Suspension travel remaining" in LRA, the amount of vertical travel that is left before the wheel hits the bump stop.

Live tyre temps are not available, because LFS doesn't save them in the RAF file. (To be exact: there is one integer number in the RAF file that gives you the temperature in degrees Celsius, across the whole tyre.) In the Properties pane in LRA you can find these as the average tyre temp, but that won't tell you much.

Quote from skywatcher122 :

is it possible to get the current throttle, current gear and brakes at MCI / NLP ?

That would be also great for a project I'm working on.

(Not really relevant for the test patch, but I thought I'd chime in with this request.)

I modified LRA, my replay analyser, so that it can grab lap data from InSim. The nice thing about this is that you can then also get laps from multiplayer races (live online races as well as MPR replays). And it saves he hassle of generating a RAF file first, so the drive -> analyse -> improve cycle is much shorter.

I've got it working, but for now it can only read the speed and position of each car. That's a bit thin for an analysis. To be really useful, the lap data should also include the pedals, steer position, and current gear.

Quote from tedkurtz :

I would like to be able to zoom the Driving Line so that I could take a closer look at my line than is currently the case.

You already can, by using the mouse wheel over the Driving Line pane. Clicking the mouse wheel resets the zoom to the default value. The context menu (= right mouse button) also offers the possibility to zoom in and out, although that is a bit cumbersome. But it might be the only possbility if you are using a touchpad.

Quote from porphyre :

Hello. LRA is a great free data analysis tool. I see there's an export CSV feature, but no import CSV feature. Are there any plans for importing CSVs or perhaps a tool to convert CSV to RAF?

I'd like to use LRA with real data output from my car (time, speed, distance, latG, longG, lat, long).

No, there are no plans for CSV import. LRA is also too dependent on the extra information that is present in RAF files.

You might try Bosch Lapsim, it's free and AFAIK it wiil read CSV files.

Quote from Mav87th :

Not able to retrieve the file. No problems with other files from the site. The response is that the Zip is a "bad archive" and the zip will not open. The zip file it self is not near the stated size in Mb.

Just like the previous poster... Very strange.
Again, I have no problems when I try it, so I expect it has something to do with overactive anti-malware apps, or possibly strict download settings in the browser.

I can only give the same suggestions:
- As a test, download some other zip file with an executable (like this one.)
- Try a different browser.
- Send me a PM with your e-mail address, so I can mail LRA to you.

Quote from flymike91 :

Life is not nor will ever be fair.

And you like to stress that fact by adding more unfairness?

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I'm sorry I can't take that seriously, just like the rest of the world doesn't take the Dutch prison system seriously.

Funny remark, seeing as it's coming from the U.S. Ever compared crime rates, numbers of people incarcerated, and other statistics? Try it, then draw your conclusions about which judicial system is more successful (or perhaps I should say, less disastrous).

Quote from flymike91 :

Why would any country accept an Immigrant who doesn't offer something a citizen cannot?

Why would immigrant be required to prove his high value to your society, whereas trash that just happens to be born within your country's borders can happily be a leech on society?

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Wsinda France has accepted thousands of arab and eastern european immigrants, some percent of which are actually undermining your country, and are of negative value to your society.

You mean that people from France are coming to my country (The Netherlands) to undermine society? That's news to me.

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Why are car thieves allowed to live in your country? Because it's 'wrong' to turn people away who want a better life, but at what cost?

I can quite confidently say that any foreigner who comes to the Dutch border and says he is a car thief, will be sent away. And those who don't say so and enter the country will, when caught, get the same jail sentence as our native car thieves get.

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I don't hear too much complaining coming from native american tribes.

You can't hear them because the reservations are so damn far away. The US government carefully chose the least habitable spots.

From the first Wikipedia page I looked at:

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Native Americans rank at the bottom of nearly every social statistic: highest teen suicide rate of all minorities at 18.5 per 100,000, highest rate of teen pregnancy, highest high school drop out rate at 54%, lowest per capita income, and unemployment rates between 50% to 90%.

Quote from flymike91 :

For the US I don't think any immigrants should be allowed in unless they are doctors, engineers, publicly traded business owners, or very profitable artists.

Then for every doctor, enginer, etc. admitted to the country they should throw out one useless US-born citizen who doesn't have such a valuable profession. (What's yours, BTW?)

Problem is, what country would want them?

Quote from swingkid :

says somebody who lives in a country where most of the natives are gone and allmost all off the american are offsprings off immigrants.

Natives? Duh. They came to America less than 50.000 years ago. They didn't even have proper passports.

Quote from tedkurtz :

When I download this file I get a file only 119 KB long that won't unzip. My Windows XP Professional Firewall is disabled and I am using the Norton Security Suite security system. I don't ordinarily have this sort of problem. I downloaded LFS OK for example. I also downloaded and extracted F1perfview OK.

Has anyone any thoughts on what is wrong?

No idea, sorry. All I can say is that it downloads fine when I try it. But I don't have Norton. (Using Firefox, BTW.)
For comparison, you could try to download some of the other executables from this forum.

Or you can drop me an e-mail or PM with your e-mail address, and I'll send the zip to you.

The node is a point in the track; you could also call it a sector. Each track has a couple hundred nodes. The current node number of a car will tell you the rough position. But when the cars are lined up at the start of a drag race, I expect they will be at the same node, so a node number won't help to distinguish he cars.

To identify a car at the start line, you will need the X, Y, and Z coordinates. These are given in the IS_MCI packet. The cars in that packet are identified by the player ID (PLID). You will need to translate the PLID to a player name, and the IS_NPL packet will give you that info. Send a TINY_NPL packet to InSim, and LFS will send you a IS_NPL packet for each player.

But, to create InSim apps you really should study the InSim.txt file. If you have trouble understanding it, then you can ask your questions here. (It also helps if you give the programming language / InSim library you use, so people can understand your background, and perhaps provide code samples.)

Quote from BlueFlame :

When someone isn't conforming to the current society of PC, it doesn't mean they are a supporter of the BNP or reader of the Daily Mail. Ill never be PC partly because being PC means avoid the truth in alot of cases.

Don't know where you've been, but nobody in his right mind will describe himself as PC, and it's been that way since 1990 or thereabouts, when it became a pejorative term.

If you interpret PC as "being ideologically blinded", that privilege now rests firmly in the hands of the conservatives (as this thread shows).

Hate to be the bringer of bad news, but there is another crash-causing bug. When trying to send a TINY_RIP message, InSimSniffer crashes immediately after selecting the menu item, with this exception:

Quote from thisnameistaken :

Don't you think there could be a middle ground where powerful nations could use their power to right wrongs, rather than using it to advance their own agendas and make themselves richer?

It's not unlikely that Dubya really thought he was using his power to right wrongs. And it's fairly likely that most U.S. soldiers under G.W.'s command thought they were doing that. (And so did <that bloke that Godwin's Law is about>. He was righting wrongs by committing atrocities.)

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I know a lot of American soldiers are only in the forces because it's the only way they can afford a college education.

I pity the country where the only way to get ahead in the world is by being willing to kill other people.

Question: If the man had been white-skinned and a born UK citizen, would you still want him deported to Iraq?*

Hint: If your answer isn't "yes" then I'll call you a bigot.

It's one thing to be in favour of harsher punishment for crimes like these.
It's quite a different thing to let your sense of justice depend on the country of origin of the perpetrator.

*: I know that deportation of criminals has been a long-time tradition in the UK judicial system, but the only success that this policy has achieved is populating Australia.

Yep, both issues fixed.
Amazing turnaround time, BTW!

Ouch. The Export function doesn't work anymore. It causes a crash as soon as I select "Export" from the menu. Here is the crash report:

Note for non-Dutch speakers: "Bestand [...] is een ongeldige bestandsnaam" means that the file name is invalid.

No problems so far, except for 2 oddities that already existed:
- When launching LFS, InSimSniffer is a bit too impatient. On my (admittedly slow) system, it signals failure to connect before LFS has fully started up.
- Tab order of fields in the InSim tab of the options dialog is messed up. Or should we blame MS VS Forms Designer?
- Pining for the fjords!? (OK, after clicking that button the app has indeed ceased to be. But WTH is it for?)