Same here.
It wasn't so with older drivers tho. Or was it S1? Either way, I did not play lfs for a long while before S2 came out, and it was crap in S2 with the new video drivers if I remember it right.

Still ugly though.

It has happpened twice again since.
here are the replays, from my viewpoint this time.

I hope it helps. It's getting very annoying.

Any ideas what should I do? Reinstall s2?

As I wrote my connection to Australian servers is near flawless. Never had any problems before, I used to ftp data around, use hhtp a lot too while working, not a problem. So I doubt it would be a connection problem, but I'd like to hear a developer opinion on it

I managed to put my hands on a save of the qualify where I did not yet know it was buggy. It's a 20 minute replay. If you watch me, I'm apparently invisible, and I don't move. Yet after a while I was successful to put in a few laps.

If you had my replay (forgot to save it) you could see I was lapping as everybody else...

It was rather hard, as I thought they see me, and will avoid me as normal. Every contact, or hit 'sits' on me. I could not avoid being rammed out here and there as they did not see mee...


here's the replay (~4MB)

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Quote from David.V :

May be caused by a temporary bad ping ?

As blowtus said: once it happens it seems to be pretty final. Once (first time) we restarted the race 3 times, each time doing about half minute of the warmup lap, and it did not go away. Only when I disconnected and reconnected it was ok again.

I don't used to have any kind of connection problems to aussie servers, I'm at the most reliable ISP around here (internode). No discos, no lags, constant very low pings (20-40ms). I'm way below my quota too.

Quote from David.V :

I got same problem, but i think it's caused by my poor connection (56k modem powa ). It only happens when i race against a lot of racer (>15).

Well, we do have around 20 ppl in one div in one race, that much is true, but I have a 1500/256 adsl that cannot be the issue...

Quote from Doorman :

Good post Charlie, summed it up for me.

You guys are top notch...
You don't read the review the thread is about but start posting in the thread straight away... illepall

Very strange one, and I've experienced it 3 times only, all lately (after installing the latest patch).

It becomes apparent at race restart or quali restart, altho it may happen earlier. I'm on the grid, starting out with the others I can see everyone all right, but they can't see me, or some say I'm just seem to be sitting on the grid. They come ramming into me, and they don't seem to suffer any consequences - like they were the freight train.

I dont have a replay, altho I'm not sure if it would help - a replay of my saving that is. When this happens - all three times in AAL quali or races so far - I've quickly reconnected and it was fine.

Yeah, Sarsi, I think you're spot on.

B2B@300: happy to hear that! Yeah the hoe racing was fun indeed.
That was one of the organized races, and you most likely found our practice session or an impromptu race. But believe me there are plenty of differently organized races, with 4 divs for everybody's convenience and racing speed in the main league - come in look around (the forums), you may even find a race or two for yourself. It does not cost anything :-)

ButterTyres: it's not the number of racers, it's that almost everybody is quickly entering the AAL/ARSE community. We're concentrated, that's all.
This season the fox festival has/had 83 participants...you probably can't even show another national league with this many ppl on

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I agree with the review almost completely.

On one point: the fast 'dull' tracks my opinion differs tho. I think they're merely wider, faster tracks, they are certainly scarcely interesting in slower cars, but they seem to have been designed for the fastest ones.

I love the FE tracks the best too

With the score ... Even tho I feel slightly offended, as I enjoy LFS much more than rFactor or GTR, I think the devs would agree pretty much, note the versioning of the game. It's half done only.

Guys, I know it's not what you want to hear, but most of the aussie scene is in the AAL league, and on the ARSE forums. We do have pickup races organized often too, so I'd say join in.

But I know from experience, when we open up the servers (The MPR server is sometimes open) we have a lot of sensless euro/us/whatever people joining, with lags over 400ms and little common sense. I hate it when I try to work out the tyre wear for the next race and some idiot comes in and wrecks me after 10 laps...so we'll not likely open up too much, in my opinion, until there will be a system where
- complete beginners and
- idiots and
- laggers (I'd say the limit is around 300-400ms)
can be filtered out somehow

This is just my opinion, not an official statement of course ;-)

It'd be very-very nice to have a feature to add weight.
Even if it'd be as simple as adding passengers, just to set the extra weight at the settings and go with this based on honesty, or have some kind of display of the extra weight somewhere (on the car, or in the results)

the sense of speed I think depends more on the fov and monitor size, but if you have a decent monitor you can bring it very close without killing your eyes, so the fov will be very good.

But it's more an 'immersion' amplifier-thing :-)

Plus it's actually one of the physics issues, the low speed grip and the lost grip regaining. Usually you can regain grip if it's not badly lost (on the rear in RWD) by playing with the throttle. Not with the current LFS tire model tho. The only way is to use countersteer.

Hopefully the next patch will address this issue too. (they said in the mail they'll address the physics)

Have you tried to blip throttle on downshift? I used that technique and got 95% good downshifts quickly. After a month I seldom fark it up at all. I do clutch for upshifts tho - that's what the pedals are for, after all :-)

Yes, I'm using the eDimensional glasses for more than a year now. I find it a great help in immersion :-)

There's no problem with concentration. As you eyes don't have to focus 30cm from your face, it's actually better. Also because of this, you can move the monitor very close to your eyes, thus enlarging the FOV.

Don't use it with a low quality and/or small monitor. You need one which can handle 120-150Hz refresh rates (Philips 22" here, using it @ 1280x1024 120Hz).

With lower refresh rates it can be bothersome as you can see the flickering, especially the first few minutes using it. After a while your brain gets used to it anyway, but may be tiring, just as it was with old monitors back a few years ago.

And yes, because the nature of the glasses the image looks a bit darker, and duller. I positively hate that part, but it can't be helped. Because of this, small text can be hard to read in certain colors on certain backgrounds. But in races, especially enduro races it hardly matters. :-)

All in all, I think they're great

If you can get their address we can start sending mailbombs and other niceties, or organizing bashing parties :-))))

This did happen in our last league race too.
But we had both side's replay, and on one replay it was a visible hit (lag) the other showed the real positions.

Quote from Ardent :

It may improve the playability for the crashers but certainly not for those still on the track. After a crash, for whatever reason, you have no chance to catch up again, so what's the point in driving onto the track again ? I honestly see no difference if you sit on your arse and watch, or if you sit on your arse and continue driving out of competion.

Have you played with GTR? Have you seen the enormous amount of people 'migrating' among servers? Have you ever finished a game alone or with 2 others on the whole track when there were 20 people on the grid initially?

These are the reasons it'd be a good idea to support serious league races only. But there it's not that important anyway, we can keep our rules.

On public servers it would only result in servers emptying quickly IMHO. You can achieve an empty server by simply kicking everyone and passwording it, it does not require all the extra coding :-)

I agree with Hyperactive: the all cars servers are pointless.

It should actually be impossible to start a server all cars to enforce some selection. Either category or single car would be ok.

I vote (if it matters at all) for no more demo content
but the next patch with the AI fix, and tyre fix would be nice.

those who find the demo boring are cheapskates anyway. Those who're newcommers will find the ai unplayable and the online races dirty on demo servers.

These are the problems - IMHO - not the content. The content is generous for a demo.

Quote from Barroso :

haha just throw some numbered papers inside a bag :P

...and then find a random person to draw one! :-)

I can't believe you guys can't create a random number...have you forgotten dice completely? ;-)
throw a couple of rolls with d100 and you're good :-)
that'll be as random as possible, no algorithms, no human factor - unless the dice are leaded :-)

Quote from Rotary :

Oh sorry, looks like I've spent the last 2.5 years or more of LFS racing somewhere I don't belong, my bad. Thank you for your enlightment. I promise to follow the straight and narrow and not step out of the box that is considered by you to be "normal". Please send me the bible on being you so I can correct my ways and learn to not be myself and become one with your way of life.

It's a matter of opinion, learn to understand others have different views on what they can and can't do based on their own life experience and its up to them to make decisions. You are not our parents, get over it. Don't like it? Tell the person who hit you, spectate, change server, start a kick vote.... wow, so many choices yet you'd rather try to say people are childish because they don't enjoy life the way you do.

Sigh, now we have after race smash up prevention nazi's... Christ I'm sick of all the "You can't do it because I don't like it" cry babies in these forums.

Edit: Yes, I may be immature in some respects (meaning others see what I find as entertainment to be childish) but in the real life issues that actually matter I have a very healthy attitude (such as starting a family). LFS is just a PC "simulation" game FFS. I can't believe I let this stupid thread get to me!

Well said, I totally agree.

It seems to help to ease the tension, to relief the excitement of the concentration after the race. It's good fun, but sometimes I don't wish for it, then I simply spectate, or warp back to pits. I don't think it's an issue at all.

If your wheel broke because of it it's your wheel. It woluld have broken at a wall hit anyway (don't tell me it never happens) :-)

Quote from DanielJE :

LOGITECH SUCKS.

I wouldn't say that. I have a DFP (rev B) , I have logitech keyboard, mouse, all excellent quality. The dfp is a very precise tool.

Quote from DanielJE :

Ive noticed that RICHARD BURNS RALLY does not give me this problem, is it possible the code for the wheel is different from each game to the next, making this problem a software conflict?

If it does not appear in all games, it's definitely not a hardware issue. Yes, each game uses/reads the wheel differently. But if that's a driver or other problem....

Quote from Fonnybone :

...
The demo does a great job of showcasing LFS, the question is is it
fullfilling it's primary goal which is to promote sales ? We need graphs !! lol
...

You can't get any graphs without changing something first. Nothing in the structure of demo registration/usage has changed whatsoever. Nothing to show on the graphs only the same old thing.

As for the subject: I completely agree with the need of restrictions. Even tho I bought S1 and then S2 as well, I got a glimpse of the mayhem in the pre-S2 times. I simply did not play.

If my first meeting with LFS would have been on a server full of idiots, I'd have simply gone away: NOT BUYING IT because of the wreckers.
So I don't believe it's increasing sales, I think it does exactly the opposite.
(the demo itself is a must, I agree to that, but the things going on on those demo servers...bah it's criminal)

So I think the one nick (one account) per demo thing is very good, especially coupled with the need of unique email and the need to re-install (or buy) to get a new nick!

This would probably slow down the wreckers. May not eliminate them, but that's probably impossible without personal intervention and a nice big gun....

Altho a wrecker can still go from server to server, have his fun for the day and start again the next day: vote bans are 24hrs long only afaik