"Why forcing a view that's unrealistic"




Yes. I totally agree. And thank you Scawen for this server option. And as I wrote before, its´still on option to allow or deny. No harm done.

Of course I´m going to have forced cockpit view on myserver as the game is a racing sim..

As promised, see attached file (LFSstats) on our race today.

IMO FZR did [too] good once more, so did cP. and so did DFH.

(still unofficial) Results:

1. Clownpaint Gaming
2. Team DFH
3. Team ACR
4. [TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam
5. Unity-Racing
6. Team Look
7. Fusion Racing (DNF/Disconnect)

Teams interested in next sunday evening racing event, have a look here:
http://www.lfs-forum.dk/showthread.php?t=717

Regards R.Kolz

Quote from Takumi_lfs :

Even if you win an Licence...U won't.. Look at me (Demo racer) I won an Licence too.. (not fair)

Related to ( last post ) :
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=24672&page=5

I´m surprised.

Thank you for your kind words. And welcome to our newest member [TDRT] D.Santos (GoldenStrike).
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In case there is a team interested in a GTR class race tomorrow:
Pls. send me a PM if you wanna join and I will contact you.

Racers not organised in a team are welcome to send me a PM as well.



Posted in our Danish forum:

"Aston National GTR Class race on 1th July 2007"
"Tomorrow, sunday at 17.00 GTM (19.00 Danish local time).
This is going to be the first one of a series of individual Unity/TDRT Sunday evening races.
Rules for tomorrow:
Track: Aston National
Cars: FXR/XRR/FZR
60mins qualification followed by 10 laps races with pitstop required. Startorder: Fixed quali- or last raceresult.
Begin: 17.00 GTM (19.00 Danish local time).
End: latest 20.00 GTM ( 22.00 Danish local time).
Server: UNITY-racing.com
Password will be provided tomorrow afternoon (MSN or PM).
Info:
Teams so far: DFH Poland,Team Unity, Fusion Racing and TDRT will participate.


If it´s going to be individual racer contest or it will be declared as teamrace will depend on how many racers/teams are going to attend.


LFSstats will get posted as a follow-up.

Regards, R.Kolz

Team name:
[TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam

Team tag and skin for rendering here ( Post 1 ) :

http://www.lfs-forum.dk/showthread.php?t=248

Team Manager:
[TDRT]Spøgelset/R.Kolz

Team history:
Friendly LFS Demo Team founded in December 2006

Homeserver: DanishRacingProDemoServer (XFG/XRG)

League results:
4th and 11th at round 4 IGTC
Info: www.igtc.co.nr

Number of drivers:
10 (6 S2 licenced, more to come)

List of [TDRT] drivers (S2 licenced):
[TDRT] R.Kolz/Spøgelset (R.Kolz)
[TDRT] Andreas (heagles)
[TDRT] E.Lougham (ergt 360)
[TDRT] Exelero (Need for Weed)
[TDRT] P.Young (Gizmo-R)
[TDRT] TOm573r (Lemmet)
[TDRT] D.Santos (GoldenStrike)

[TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam is
sponsored by www.jonasengros.dk

Last edited by [TDRT] Spøgelset, Fri, 6 Jul 2007 09:24. Reason : Added : [TDRT] D.Santos

[TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam wants to participate as well.

We´ll do a better follow-up post ASAP.

[TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam

Teammembers (2007-11-15):

[TDRT] R.Kolz
[TDRT] Andreas
[TDRT] Cleaning Lady
[TDRT] Wawy
[TDRT] C.Bebe
[TDRT] T.Jessen
[TDRT] E.Lougham
[TDRT] D.Rerolle
[TDRT] N.Riise
[TDRT] G.Noll
[TDRT] M.Dunne
Guestdriver:
[TDRT] K.Gripping

Forum:
http://www.TheDanishRacingTeam.co.nr

Point of contact as well as applying for TDRT membership:
[TDRT] R.Kolz / S2 name: R.Kolz / E-mail: Bamse001@yahoo.com

Home Server 1 and 2 :
Gentlefoot[TDRT]DanishRacing1 & 2


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[TDRT] teamowner R.Kolz and John Rasmussen http://www.jonasengros.dk/

have today signed a one years sponsorship agreement.
It´s aimed at supporting the further development of the [TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam.
His main business is the import of cars from Germany to Denmark.
John Rasmussen has been connected to the (IRL) real Danish Touringcar Championship and now wants a close working relationship with [TDRT] and its racers.
Of course this sponsorship typically benefits both the recipients.


[TRDT] R.Kolz
TheDanishRacingTeam, June 2007

Last edited by [TDRT] Spøgelset, Thu, 6 Dec 2007 21:00. Reason : Teamlist updated

Hard to reproduce but I really believe this guy who explains me after a race that even with activated pitlimiter me got this 84km/h in the pits. See att. file.

I´ll check on the replay once more.

Quote from kiss me :

use the link in my sig!!!!!!!! its not freekin hard!!! if any1 else posts it here instead of using my link in my sig, i'm stopping this campaign!!!! for cryin out loud!!!

Stop whining! It´s not the others fault if somebody does a wrong post.

Exclude the [TDRT] TheDanishRacingTeam from your server campain if you feel any pressure - we´d give a shit about a "soon to come server".

But don´t you think you are godlike inhere. End of message. Pls. grow up!

[TDRT]TheDanishRacingTeam

How about a little database how the diff. cars are performing on the various tracks after version X?
As a FXR driver of course my POV is that the XRR and FZR cars still are too fast...

Att. file from the 4 hour IGTC race. 30 mins. quali and 4 hours of racing at WE int..

Quote from BenjiMC :

If all of the drivers fully read and understand the rules then there will be no problems, but the problem is many of the drivers do not, thus the ones that do, loose out because of their mistakes.

My car ( #21 ) didn´t make faults behind the SC at no time. See my post before for what actually happened. My point is that the rules might be good in theory but in the head of a race hard to follow for some racers.

Let´s wait for round 5 to come.

Quote from srdsprinter :

I'm really of the belief the 'issues' caused by the safety car are shortcomings of our own driving, not vice-versa.

If we are all aware of the rules and drive responsibly there should be no problems. Unfortunatly, we have not done so yet.

If you would have spend some time on watching the replay rather than posting inhere, you´d know that me and my teammate didn´t have trouble at all to safely follow the SC ...

...exept the time where some car all flying from behind crashed us. Due to this happening, we on our next pit had some repairs which cost us "some" time getting the car repaired in the pits as well as from now on had to do stints longer as planned which we knew the tires at normal race speed weren´t capable of......

You write : "If we are all aware of the rules.."

For the upcoming race better get a WHITE number and not a black one. A mashall noticed it at a time and told your team as well...like other teams you didn´t have to stop to change it, right?

As I stated before I´m posting for the next round - this one is to learn.

The good stuff:

Not just some, but every team now knows about the rules when to overtake on a SC restart because the rules have been updated/added.
The problem about beeing marshall AND racer has been taken note of as well.
We really can see, that you put an effort in this racing series.

Quote from DeadWolfBones :

I think the problem (from the marshals' point of view) with just putting the field under a full-course yellow is that it's very difficult to make sure that no one passes under the yellow

A full-course yellow instead of using a SC would IMO solve most of the problems actually.

If marshalls are concerned about the monitoring of overtaking cars during a full-course yellow: The Racer/car/teams will notice and can complain later on. But then ease the penalty given. A 1 position drop would be too hard of a punishement.

Pls. realise that there has been problems with the SC´s for a very long time now. Very good argumentation against using a SC has been posted. The lack of good posts FOR the usage of a SC is so obviouse ( to me at least ).

R4ptor, DK : "The safety car is basically a mobile T1 all over the track."
Posted 22nd April 2007

That´s what it is. I totally agree. I might add this under my signature from now on.

Something else to realise:
A SC at a speed of 80 km/h will have the racer 10 cars behind drive a much much lower speed...

Anyways:
Race with the SC for this season and let´s see how the next rounds will turn out to be. But pls., before planning for the next season - have a look at all these posts once more.

Regards
[TDRT] TheDanishRacingTeam

Quote from Team OMNI(R)-John :

btw: are you the TRDT leader?

Yes I am.

Good thing we can agree on this marshall stuff...

"Safety car is an integral part of keeping IGTC somewhat similar to a real sportscar race."
It would be much more similar without SC as it doesn´t do anything but messing up a endurance race of LFS.

I tell you what in theory a team could do:
Teamcar 1 saves tires and fuel for a long time then at a point telling car 2 to cause a SC period. Car 1 catches up and now is able to do the longest stint, mayby 1 pit less then the others as well.
Or:
5 mins before finish as No.2 of the race and 15 secs. behind the race leader I just tell my teamcar 2 to cause a SC period to be able to catch up again and have a actual chance again to win this race...
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"There was a slow car on track at that point, and since Shift+P isn't allowed this car is a danger is it not? The speed difference of about 100 mph is enough to prove this, and if you hit this car your car would be wrecked too and i'd be pretty pissed myself. However that first safety car period was messed up..."
There has been a lot of slow cars before at this stage of the race and thanks god you marshalls didn´t see it ...
Pls. listen.There were no noobs driving. And driving as a privateer or not we I´m sure are all able to check on the map as well as we already hundreds of times have been overtaking very slow cars with various cars on various tracks.

The safety car mess starts:

3:08:50secs: Car #23 to discuss if his overtaking under SC was avoidable..
A given penalty would have cost the team a lot. Because of the unnessesary SC stuff.

3:12:50 secs: #13 overtaking before leader has passed start/finish line.
Same here...Confusion caused by safety car rule.

"BTW mitch was the reason for one of those safety car periods."
Rule: 10.3) If you are stuck in the gravel, the safety car will be deployed and you must wait to be pushed out by the push car.
3:40:10 secs. Well, have a look. He isn´t stuck at all and doesn´t need any help by a push car but you wanna fundrive the SC once more ending in a disaster once more as well...cars crash behind the SC and overtake under yellow.

3:48:05 cars crahing behind the SC..

3:48:35secs. Mitch overtakes 2 cars before the leading car has passed the start/finish line.
I hope I understand your rules on this point:
4.1) Drivers must not overtake a car before the pole car has past the line but are allowed to be side by side. Doing so will result in a drive through if seen in races or a 1 place drop if reported after the race. The “green flag” message will be cleared once the pole car passes the start line.

If I´m correct it would have cost him a podium finish ( and given my car one -the reason I was waiting for today to post.)

I really recommend you guys to have a look at the SC stuff once more.
The SC caused, not for the first time, trouble and confusion - that´s all it does. Pls. drop it or at least consider sending a PM to the participating teams and ask them about it.

The best racers got on the podium yesterday but the SC could easily have destroyed all hopes and as well loads of times spent for preparation for this event.

I think I made my point clear and don´t intend to post more about it.

Regards
[TDRT] TheDanishRacingTeam

1. My main point:

Drop the safety car from now on. Change the rules please !!
You might wanna ask the other participating teams what they think about it.


Round 4 showed the safety car used for the entertainment only IMO.

Who got physically hurt during this race ?

Who needed the ambulance ?

Where was the ambulance on the track?

Where there any sudden rain or some parts lying on the racetrack from damaged cars?

There was no real reason to get the satefy car on track. The car once more caused a lot of confusion and race crashes as well. Have a look at Mitch on the last 2 SC periods fx...

You actually get him in trouble twice due to your SC.

Before the discussion should begin marshalls pls. tell me your reasons for deploying the safety car on the different laps.




2.
DeadWolfBones:
"I can marshall if you need someone in a pinch (even though I'm driving)?"
http://www.lfsforum.net/showthread.php?t=26080

Rules:
<SPAN lang=EN-GB>3.1) Do not remain on the server once you have changed over.
Well...didn´t he as a marshall?
Don´t mix these tings. You are racer or marshall. Not both pls.


Anyways:
It was TDRT´s first international S2 race. Great race we enjoyed it a lot - great experience as well. Thanks to all of the organizers.

Post is made to improve this league and not to object on anything happened round 4.
I repeat:
Before the discussion should begin marshalls pls. post your reasons for deploying the safety car on the different laps. This must be reasons not happened before about 3 hours into the race where the SC was deployed for the very first time. Thank you.

Like I posted before:

"TheDanishRacingTeam [TDRT] will not attend.

17th June you send a PM for a event taking place June 18 at 5:00 pm GMT (17:00) (not official)

I´m not saying we are not interested - but I just can´t plan a TDRT participation for a race on 1 day basis."

I now have seen your post in the other thread. Not official you say. Good.
Well, get me a official date and I´m able to give you an official answer..

Regards..

See att. file.

TheDanishRacingTeam [TDRT] will not attend.

17th June you send a PM for a event taking place June 18 at 5:00 pm GMT (17:00) (not official)

I´m not saying we are not interested - but I just can´t plan a TDRT participation for a race on 1 day basis.

Regards..

I can confirm. Server crashes and LFS exits.
But pls. delete all threads about this issue as there is no need to give some ppl. stupid ideas.

This needs to get fixed ASAP.

Quote from BenjiMC :

i didn't get the qually replay, but did get the race one, but the new patch allows you to get all the replays anyway so just ask Marsh2a for it

Wouldn´t it be much easier to attach the race replay file in this thread if you have it ?

Regards..

I´m one driver of the [TDRT] car No. 21 and just wanna tell you one thing:

Don´t smoke and drive!

Better: Don´t smoke at all.

Quote from LFS-fan :

can mine friend race, but he has alvredi S2 licence



please ansver me




sori for mine english

Read the rules omce more . My guess would be "NO" as he already is licenced. Only for demo racers.

Yes and Yes.

I´m licenced.

I´m actually afraid og the day I´ll focus on hotlapping.

The chase for race positions and race victories will be over and be replaced by the chase for some 0.0x secs.

No more chatting/talking to others but offline all alone...

I can see that some of you spend quite some time doing offline hotlapping.

Is this better then online racing in your oppinion ?

Do you really prefere to be all alone on a racetrack chasing the clock?

I´d like to understand your motivation to hotlap for loads of hours and I´d rather see you on some server racing together with other LFS players as well.

What would your oppinion be about cancelling all offline hotlapping and include it while online racing if some day the game would have come to the stage of developement where all cutting is probited/monitored? LFSworld stats HL/WR would be adjusted as well at this time of course..

I´m just curious.