So this was a bit fun to fun to try out. So basically thought to try getting OpenComposite to work with LFS as it tends to resolve some of the "warping" issues in VR that LFS suffers from (fixed it for iRacing particularly), because this is my second favorite sim of all time and I thought to promote it more in my streams.

However, after looking over https://mbucchia.github.io/OpenXR-Toolkit/opencomposite#headset-compatibility it seems like using OpenXR is a big no because certain headsets do not support 32bit applications.

Which means that even if there was OpenXR support via OpenComposite, it's essentially impossible to use with LFS because it's still a 32-bit app afaik.

Is there any chance on it moving to 64-bit and possibly just moving to OpenXR support since OpenVR is basically done in terms of overall development?

As much as I'm sure some folks would complain about losing support for older hardware, it's a bit of an issue with the game not supporting newer hardware already

Also holy crap I have not updated my profile picture. Man I was a weeb. I guess I'm still kinda a weeb but I'm like... "refined" weeb.

Quote from pik_d :

"Anything else is a distraction" is a horrible fallacy when it comes to realism, the more realistic what you're seeing is, the more information you can gather from what you see, from damage, wear, clean racing line (not modeled in any way in LFS), weather (same), driver contact and offs (think rubbing paint, or dirt dumped on track).

Amen.

People are going to have to realize that to be a simulator, you have to simulate things that occur in real life.

ARMA 2 does a pretty decent job of this, although, that would be an example of how a game can destroy you with graphics.


Then again, there's a lot more going on in ARMA 2 than there would be in LFS.

(explosions, flying things, driving things, boating things, mountain bikes, infantry in the 100's, bullets everywhere and such.)

HOnestly, with 20 people on enclosed courses, games like LFS should be easy to make look good with minimal issue.

Sadly, some games like to prove me wrong in this department (Grid.)

Quote from Eclipsed :

Yes! I'm still using in-built graphics card and I'm happy seeing 60+ fps (when alone on track of course) for my favourite entertainment! So screw that modern crap sucking out every single megahertz out of non top end PC's just for fun for those spoiled rich guys! LFS's graphics are enough good and realistic,so main thing to upgrade is car physics to get them as realistic as possible,it's a simulation,remember that!

.....

because having a job at walmart makes me rich....

(i7 2600k oc'd 4.2, HD4890, 8gigs)
I'm really getting annoyed by all this hatred towards improvement.

(Because, honestly, LFS does need a graphics update. Example: What about weather effects, better RALLY anyone? Racing is just as much about the visual as it is about the sound and the feel. A lot of you people don't understand this. No we don't need groundbreaking graphics, but honestly:

This silly hatred of anything that requires you to get anything new is annoying. (Seeing how all it does is limit the game's potential, rather than help it.)


Point is, yeah, you do need to worry about the physics and the game itself... but you're running on old technology by old technologies standard. At least a little DX9 would help... geez.

(and honestly, if you can't run that, please afford yourself a better computer. I know you can. I worked on a walmart hourly wage and i did. then i lost my damn job...

.....and I'm STILL doing ok. (ok maybe not this past month but, hey! I lasted 5 months before I actually went negative... because it took a LOT longer to get working and get a paycheck at my new job than i expected.)


You people have gotten whiny, just like everyone else on the internet.

Akshully I believe, like above, the Track Creator will be more for rally folks who like to "make their own trail"

Trust me... Doing the same rally track over and over does kind of suck ... =/


Plus, as a racer, I actually enjoy all racing. Go-Karts, NASCAR, Rally.. a lot of the stuff LFS just doesn't do well yet. Actually, I've found myself playing more iRacing, but even iRacing doesn't have rally.


And as a person who plays more games than the guy who sells me games at gamestop (i made him sad, lol) I personally dislike Forza.

For 3 reasons:

Crap Handling: I mean.. Am i a brick? I understand being tight, but... even when i'm sliding i feel like my car is tight. What the crap is that.

Pitiful attention to detail: I mean, the tracks do look pretty neat. Bumpmapping is nice. But, my problem is that compared to games like iRacing, LFS, or GT5, the cars just... look cartoony. Too tall, some too wide, some just.. messed up. People tell me at work (i work in an electronics area, where we s.... I work for walmart. ._. I hate them though. At least it's not best buy. ^_^ They're douchbags.) anyways, people come in and tell me Forza looks the most realistic. I show them a GT5 trailer, then they go "Well.. uh... um... uh... PS3 doesn't have HALO!" (Legit Story. Me and my coworkers lol'd.)

Lastly, Poor Camera: I hate GT5 for it's camera. But at least their incar views look nice. Forza's just has poor distancing and crap. Mind, I play all sorts of racing games. I hate Forza's camera view more than i hate rFactors.. and rFactor has adjustable seating.

Hell... i hate it more than Arma II's camera... and that's a war game x.x though i've gotten used to it.


So, point is.... Yeah.. Forza's great for consoles.. but.... after playing the recent Nissan/Indy demo for GT5 about 4 months ago... I enjoy that more. (Plus, i live in indy.. and seeing indy... it was... almost an exact replication. I just wish they didn't do the fake wall BS. =/ They don't put tire barriers on Ovals for roadcourse versions... they use cones. ._. do not clutter my vision with crap! I want realism!

Last edited by Arsenic_Fox, Thu, 19 Aug 2010 01:16.

Quote from obsolum :

Also, it's not just about "feeling bumps through the steering wheel", there's just something about LFS' "feel" that makes it unbelievably dull to drive; I don't feel connected to the car or the road at all.

That's due to Soapy tires. Isn't that why he's fixing the physics for them? :3

still doesn't make jnr89 any less of an ignorant fanboy...

=/ Personally for console games, I'll take GT over Forza.


But to be really honest.... I'd rather play some good ol NR2003 or GPL.

Good ol' GPL, now that was a hard game. xD

Anyways, there is a hype. It's the biggest racing game for PS3. That means PS3 people are happy. =) Because WE OWN a PS3. > >




In all honesty, all this argument boils down to is do you like 360 (forza) or ps3 (GT)


The Forza people are obviously jealous of the PS3's awesomeness, and the PS3 people are jealous that the 360 has a bigger e-penis.


You're all retarded. Just like the two parties of government here in the USA. (the democrats and republicans)

And to be completely honest, I feel like the 360 is the system for people who want to be "popular", and the PS3 is for people who really don't give a shit what people think about them. I'll enjoy my uncharted 2 thank you very much.

(Oh and if you must know WHY i dislike the 360 in any way.. there was this kid in my programming class who talked about Halo and Gears of War... ALL... THE.... TIME... Even to the teacher who had NOOOO idea what it was. ALL... THE.... TIME... ><)

Quote from The Very End :

What's all this idiot rant "LFS is not half as good as when CTRA was up" etc etc, there are LOTS of good servers but you lazy whining kids just whines without backing up your statement.
Shut up allready, leave the forum, go racing and then open your mouths.

Canot belive this forum is filled with so many whiners, that whines on absolutely everything jeez! LR, FM, GTR server is just some of them, and there are tons of other servers to play on. The only reason why you liked CTRA was because it had active admins and because your ego-meter did rise when you got more points.

LR - absolutely the same thing. GTR (not sure one the first part of the name) offers fast paced racing in the gtr cars. FM servers handles the formula racing, and they all doing it pretty damn well.

So for love of god and this forum, stop whining about CTRA's death when you don't even know what other servers LFS have to offer.

Listen, I've tried almost every public server and, yes, I've seen what they have to offer. A whole hell of a lot of nothing. Just like the servers nowadays on Nascar Racing 2003 season... Just like the servers on rFactor.


CTRA was great because it was almost always full, the layouts wernt half bad, and the rules wernt terrible either. The most "exciting" servers i've been on are half-full demo servers. =/

I'm sorry that a different type of people than you exist on this forum. CTRA was like that pub in town that you used to go hang out with with your friends and stuff. It closes down and now you have to find a new place. Eventually you find another place to hang out, but it just doesn't feel the same.



That along with the fact with all the recent major changes in my life... for once PERSONALLY I'd like something that was stable and would stay the same. I mean, I didn't even find out CTRA was gone until after I moved 800 miles away from my friends and imediate family.

I have a reason to bitch. All of my favorite servers for all my favorite games are going away, my girlfriend is 800 miles west, my closest friends 800 miles east. I'm in the middle of ****ing no where and I, personally, don't enjoy any of the servers I'm on. Sadly, Maybe I just don't enjoy the game anymore...

Quote from Calvinaquino :

I think it may be old news, but some people might not know:
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3174606

Get ready for Tactical Vampire Action.

PS: Kojima is HELPING, not making the game himself.

o.o .... how did i miss THAT?!?!?

(Kojima Fan-boy)

... i'm not reading any...

but i do like anime/manga.

Quote from JJ72 :

THAT.

With "photorealistic" graphic abilities nowadays, most developers have forgotten there are alternatives to nitty gritty "real world" graphics.

Gaming should be imaginative, how many different versions of space marine does we really need?

depends on how different the space marine is..

you have the fishbowl space marine (MC), and cool bad ass Star-Trek/Star Wars kind of space marine (Cmd. Shepard)

Quote from Josh1230 :

Can someone make something that will eliminate the rev limiter?

I think its so stupid how the game has no option to take the Rev Limiter off, without the rev limiter it would be more realistic and we would have to be more careful

U should be able to run the motor untill it blows, get rid of this rev limiter crap!

Can anyone do this?

Thanks!

I've never seen a car engine blow up in the game to begin with... let alone believe that the engine will do anything other than just stop running.

Personally I'd rather wait to see if Scawan (sorry if i spelt wrong... o.o tired) would put that in himself. Specifically engines blowing XD mmm black smoke that you cant see through... ^_^

Quote from JasonJ :

hehe

badass!

Quote from Stefani24 :

Stupidity.
But still none of the GTAs work here properly, and all of a sudden my itunes stopped working.
You call that stupidity?

yes.

Again, I've had No problems whatsoever. (Had to do quite a bit of tweaking here and there... but hey, I have the time. ^_^)

Quote from Stefani24 :

No but imho xp is better than vista, because everything runs without a problem on XP.

yeah, except for stuff that only runs on vista.

Everything of mine runs no problem on vista. Just got to have a little more knowledge

Used by an average user, Vista Sucks.. but used by an expert user who has no concern in security...... vista at least runs how i want it to. XD

yeah. It adds a whole new sense of immersion.

Ok, i love it. Definetly much more refined. I know i'm sounding picky, but I just want this to be the best it could possibly be. :3 Cause it's that awesome.


Bug #1) when you flip, the new system works WONDERFULLY, though it's a bit rough. Just saying. It goes from one extreme to the other when upside down. Anychance to smooth that out a little? Just wondering.

Bug #2) You can not use the track editor thing. > > At least... I couldn't. I got an exception from it... and it kept popping me back to my normal view. Probably could be fixed by pausing after pressing Shift + U and then restarting upon pressing another keybind

Bug #3) There is no Bug #3. It's just an awesome program ^_^

Quote from AYRTON (EUS) :

Thanks Bunder.

yeah they do have them for download on their forum ^_^

E-penis's are bad..

but think about it...

Instead of, say, spending 30 dollars on a trophy for a league race, lets say the league could us a lfs-created program to make a trophy using an easy to use modeling program, and if they so chose to could even import from 3DS max... then upload it to a league server where, if a person gets 1st place, they get a trophy.

and then they get a nice little LFS-based trophy room. To share with all their families and friends, who will beleive they have no life.

But he/she will still feel proud, especially if he wins the entire series and gets $3000 out of it...

I do have to say, it adds a whole new bit of immersion (if you arn't flipping or anything of that nature at least.... XD)

I guess you could use my input config file. You won't be able to look left and right, but it'll work i guess (maybe)

Ok. it worked wonderfully. I had to run the program as an administrator or it wouldn't stay open on Vista.

Though I do have something I noticed.. when looking left or right, it didn't do the smoothing thing it usually does. It just looked directly left or right. Is that part of the code or did i forget to set that somewhere... ?

One thing i did try to test (because i figured you didn't code for it ) is that when you flip the car... > > you spin around.... o.o like... your vision goes in a complete circle...


> > maybe if you could create a maximum degree, and when it's behind that degree you kind of just... go back to your normal view or something.... ? cause currently my neck is at a 90 degree angle in game

Last thing i noticed is that if the outsim loses connection at all, the view will stay at the last view sent in by the program until the program reconnects eg. I took a screenshot on 2 wheels, then the view got stuck like that for about 2-5 seconds.

but other than those slightly detailed problems, it's working pretty good..

(not just with side roll, but with front roll as well)

but you might want to set limits... XD one time i ramped and i was facing up at my ceiling XD

Last edited by Arsenic_Fox, Sat, 5 Sep 2009 05:50.

Quote from Rotareneg :

Ok, updated first post with new version that hopefully includes working joystick input for looking left and right.

roger that. will test in a few moments.

Played Dirt 2... at least feels pretty good, even with a controller.

Definetaly am going to get...

Quote from obsolum :

Double post, but here are some more screens. How come these screenshots look so much worse than the actual game/replay, though? When I'm watching the replay it looks stunning but these screenshots don't do this mod justice at all. Do I have to change some settings or something?

As you can see there was a bit of mayhem, but it was all in good fun, everyone took it in stride and we all just had a blast. Mind you, most of us know each other pretty well and we're on Vent laughing it off.

Well, probably cause you're trying to take a still shot of something that looks good because it's shiney... that or your AA sucks..

i'll see if i can get a good shot

So, anychance we could maybe get a round going tonight? o.O and maybe a track list?