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Well that's not really an explanation is it, that's again another simplistic way to categorise Kimi as a driver, and that doesn't tell the whole story. Take 2008 mid-season - he was frequently getting outqualified but didn't make progress in the race either.


He had a bad period? So what. Alonso had a bad period in 04, 07, early 08 and some periods of 09 too. Hamilton in 2011 too. Vettel in 2010 and 2012 had some bad periods too.


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Anyway, back to 2008 mid-season, let's take some of the races here:

Monaco 2008 (wet race) - qualifies P3, running P7 until he takes out Sutil.
Hockenheim 2008 - qualifies P6, finishes P5.
Hungary 2008 - qualifies P6, finishes P3 (after Massa and Hamilton retire from 1st/2nd).
Valencia 2008 - qualifies P4, running P5 behind Trulli until his engine blew.
Singapore 2008 - qualifies P3, running P5 and 25s off the lead before SC. Then he hits the wall with 4 to go.

I don't see much evidence of, quote: "great race pace" here. Even in races like Monza, Fuji and Interlagos he was nothing special and his race pace was overshadowed by Massa. If anything his qualifying performances are prolly more impressive from 2008, cos in the races he finished a long way off the lead, whilst he usually qualified in the top 4.


If you're going to make an argument, atleast make it 2 sided. I mean, you've missed out France where he was leading from pole until an exhaust issue. However, he's the luckiest driver in Formula 1 . He was also going great in Silverstone until the team made a strategy error with the tyres, they put worn intermediates on and it started to rain again, and after that he couldn't switch on the tyres - an issue that plaged the Ferrari all season in those conditions. He finished 4th on a day that Massa could barely keep his car pointing straight. If Alonso did that, he would be a god.

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And if u think Ferrari just developed that car towards Massa, explain why in the first 4 races Kimi had good speed (and led the championship by 10 points). For example, look at his pole lap in Spain - he's using very high amounts of steering lock even in medium/high speed corners which "supposedly" doesn't suit his driving style.


Thats a characteristic of modern Ferrari's. The amount they turn in the car doesn't have to mean anything, it could be just that they have different steering settings. Its a very "simplistic" approach to say someone who likes oversteer would use less steering lock

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As for Kovalainen comment.. lol, you're the first Finn I hear to mention his name. But anyway, don't tell conspiracy-esque shit as to why Kovalainen was owned in races and qualifying. IMO Heikki is a very good driver and better qualifier than racer, yet he frequently got beat by Lewis in both quali and race. No doubt u will say it's cos McLaren loved Lewis, just like Ferrari loved Massa. Yeah, that's why Kimi was paid 25 million € salary and started failing in only his 2nd season there, but world is against u Finns.

Put words into peoples mouths and say 1 persons opinion represents an entire country. Hate...

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Regarding Kimi in 2012 season - I don't agree totally with what u said. Afterall, he was fighting for the win at Bahrain (Round 4) whilst Grosjean was 15s behind. Don't use the argument "well most top drivers who come to F1 usually fail" cos it's extremely rare to see drivers do that, Schumacher and Kimi are the only examples from the modern era, and Schumi is 43yo ffs. As far as I can see, Kimi's only now started outperforming Grosjean regularly since Lotus have been prioritising new parts on his car seenas he's the one still mathematically in contention for championship.


So when Massa gets new parts over Kimi in 08, thats logical and Kimi's fault but when Kimi gets new parts over Grosjean thats something to hold Kimi back for?

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I can't deny he's done a great job this season, but I think people are overrating his performance, and he's had no bad luck at all.

Someone went into the pitlane while he was trying to pass them at Monaco, and it cost him a position. His team told him he had time for 1 more lap at Australia, and he didn't so he didnt even make it out of Q1. He had no KERS at the start of the Hungarian GP which cost him the first stint behind Alonso, wich arguably cost him the win. But ye, no bad luck

But you're an F1 expert, but yet got so much wrong in your post. Good job mate
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