eh? I just connected and did a quick tally, it was the same as LFSW, just over 150...
Where are you getting your numbers from?
eh? I just connected and did a quick tally, it was the same as LFSW, just over 150...
Where are you getting your numbers from?
I dont agree with some of your post, but generally a good balanced post. However that last line caught my attention.
When S2 Alpha was in early testing the community almost pressured the devs into releasing it - there was more noise then (to release something) that there is now (about the game being incomplete). Also I think the Alpha release was about to get leaked to the public, which obviously wouldnt have been good.
I think we should all calm down, stop harrasing the devs for updates/completion and let them get on with it.
Probably one of the reasons there are only 50 public racers online now (I havent checked, just quoting your post) is that there are so many wreckers. People prefer to play in private games to keep that sort of thing down. You can get in on these private games by getting to know people, or I think the CRC have a private server thing going on, not sure.
just my 2 pence.
Dethred, did you read any of the posts in this thread? Did you read and understand all the answers Scawen gave? Your last post really looks like you ignored everything that was said and explained before.
And please stop making up things, because this "What you are doing is Posting a false number of people playing S2." is simply wrong. Maybe you just misunderstood what "S2" means. Yes, demo players are also playing S2. The version they play is S2. S2 0.5Q infact. Their license is "demo". This stat simply shows "all players who play S2". It does not show "all S2 licensed players".
To all the other arguments, I can understand when you are frustrated. But you also have to understand why WE are frustrated because you post the same complaints and issues again and again and again, simply ignoring the answers you get.
And please stop making up things, because this "What you are doing is Posting a false number of people playing S2." is simply wrong. Maybe you just misunderstood what "S2" means. Yes, demo players are also playing S2. The version they play is S2. S2 0.5Q infact. Their license is "demo". This stat simply shows "all players who play S2". It does not show "all S2 licensed players".
To all the other arguments, I can understand when you are frustrated. But you also have to understand why WE are frustrated because you post the same complaints and issues again and again and again, simply ignoring the answers you get.
It's very simple, the number of racers online is, the number of racers online, excluding hidden hosts. It includes Demo, S1 and S2 racers online, public and private. It's very simple, racers online in LFS. Nothing false about that, it's just a fun stat, not false advertising.
I said "we've never, not even on a single occasion, said when S2 will be finished" and that is not false, it's true. You aren't stating where you are getting your facts from but it appears you are referring to one time when Victor mentioned, under some pressure and with some excitement, in a Dutch interview "there will be some form of S2 on your hard drive before Christmas" or very similar words to that. He has apologised for revealing this information that was our true intention, but was supposed to be kept between us three devs only. But you have S2 Alpha now, and this in no way makes my statement false. I'll say it again, there has never been. on any occasion, a date for the final version of S2.
You can say you wish it would come quicker, but you can't tell me there is false advertising, or that it's dramatically losing its popularity without giving any evidence. Just go to LFS World and click around, you will find some 6 month graphs. You will see a drop off since the initial release, but no dramatic falls off, quite a steady graph in fact.
Most of your points are just plain wrong and it's quite annoying. Please back up your claims with some kind of evidence, or don't make the claims at all.
I said "we've never, not even on a single occasion, said when S2 will be finished" and that is not false, it's true. You aren't stating where you are getting your facts from but it appears you are referring to one time when Victor mentioned, under some pressure and with some excitement, in a Dutch interview "there will be some form of S2 on your hard drive before Christmas" or very similar words to that. He has apologised for revealing this information that was our true intention, but was supposed to be kept between us three devs only. But you have S2 Alpha now, and this in no way makes my statement false. I'll say it again, there has never been. on any occasion, a date for the final version of S2.
You can say you wish it would come quicker, but you can't tell me there is false advertising, or that it's dramatically losing its popularity without giving any evidence. Just go to LFS World and click around, you will find some 6 month graphs. You will see a drop off since the initial release, but no dramatic falls off, quite a steady graph in fact.
Most of your points are just plain wrong and it's quite annoying. Please back up your claims with some kind of evidence, or don't make the claims at all.
Okay Deth, lets do this nice and simple seeing as you obviously have difficulty with basic maths and logic.
The logic first then:
Is a person racing the demo a racer? Yes. Is a person racing in a private server a racer? Yes. Is a person racing S1 a racer? Yes.
And now for the maths:
Number of S2 racers + Number of S1 Racers + Number of Demo racers = Number of racers.
If you have an S2 license, can you go and race with any of those people (except private servers obv.) ? Yes.
So how exactly have you been misled? Anyone is free to go to LFSworld and see exactly who is online at all times and what versions and servers are online.
The logic first then:
Is a person racing the demo a racer? Yes. Is a person racing in a private server a racer? Yes. Is a person racing S1 a racer? Yes.
And now for the maths:
Number of S2 racers + Number of S1 Racers + Number of Demo racers = Number of racers.
If you have an S2 license, can you go and race with any of those people (except private servers obv.) ? Yes.
So how exactly have you been misled? Anyone is free to go to LFSworld and see exactly who is online at all times and what versions and servers are online.
No, it wouldn't be false advertising if you stated that or something to that effect under the version number and how many racers there are. You're essentially giving advice on opening a Jar of Jelly but ommiting key leaps in logic such as picking up the jar. Heck, I have been playing the game for the past six months for S2 and I just figured it out? Is it because I am not a good observer? No, its because it says the version number and how many people are playing. The casual visitor who didn't just read your statement above would think there are more than 40 racers available to race against at any time after buying their S2 license.
That is so ambiguous it is probably best left unsaid, honestly. Your website had to disavow a statement that was made weeks prior once you realized you weren't going to make the christmas timetable. If you had made it clear there was no timetable then there would have been no need to cancel it. in early December 04. Nevertheless, whether you never said it or not, 6 months out from Alpha release with little more than a few bug fixes and a language pack has not increased the number of players online, or gotten a whole lot closer to finishing the product. Make the game playable, then fix the little bugs and make it more convenient for the select few gamers that don't know enough english to operate the game. Gamefaction.com's review said the same thing and they got nothing but agreements.
The problem is there hasn't been any major growth. As anyone can understand, there is low online participation when a game is first released without much press and mainstream advertisement. But when it never took off as a game of this calibre should (thats a compliment by the way
). I know its an alpha release but 6 months later I have found myself and my friends playing it once a week or two instead of daily. This game has so much more potential and I think the physics, and other small issues, would at least get more people back online. This may also just be an advertising shortfall, but I will not recommend this game to anyone after all the waiting and disappointment with progress in major areas. I guess it has just been a major disappointment to go 6 months without anything but a language pack and a few minor bug fixes. I am just glad I can tell my friends my experience with the game before they assume there is a large multiplayer selection and the ability to enjoy Single Player Races and end up buying a product that quite honestly should have never been released. At this point I'd gladly have my 20 USD back instead of the few bits of gameplay I've experienced that is worth the money. If I had known those 900 players on release date were all the versions, and that I wouldn't be able to race single player races... I simply would have bought a used PS2 game or something.
That just secured me not buying S3, and never even mentioning this game to colleagues that love racing games. E12 down the drain for an arrogant couple of keystrokes, probably more considering word of mouth. Seriously, 40-80 players online in the middle of the day is a joke. >20 players online on S2 at 9pm EST is sad. A person being unable to find an online game from 40 players and 5-10 servers, several being drift servers, thus trying to play single play for 25 laps and always winning because the AI can't refuel, makes a game way too difficult to continue purchasing in stages and recommending to friends who have quite frankly better options.
Enjoy.
Ok, you just hurt my brain with those leaps in logic. It says the version and the racers playing. NOW WHO ON EARTH INHERENTLY KNOWS ITS EVERYONE COMBINED FROM JUST VISITING THE SITE ONCE? Jesus H Christ are you 12? Your ignorance has forced me to finally go into all out ad hominem attacks despite my best efforts to avoid sinking as low as others who will give attacks after one post in response to my constructive criticisms.
Everyone is free to go to LFSWORLD? Where on www.liveforspeed.net is that info posted? You are assuming so much and quite frankly are not considering the first time visitor and someone who isn't on this forum. Get some education or take a logical reasoning class. Heck even a lesson in proper sequence would help you.
Dethred, either you are a visitor from a parallel universe, or you are living in fantasy land. Your post appears as pure fiction, you don't give any evidence for these "facts". Your second paragraph in particular, what on earth are you talking about? No need to answer.
I'm unsubscribing now from this thread as it's ridiculous to try and explain to you. I wouldn't have posted before but i gave you the benefit of the doubt, and assumed you were actually trying to make sense of things, so i tried to help out. Like i said, you are preaching to the converted, or barking up the wrong tree. Seriously, we aren't the people who let people down, you'd better look harder then try and teach the baddies how they should be.
I'm unsubscribing now from this thread as it's ridiculous to try and explain to you. I wouldn't have posted before but i gave you the benefit of the doubt, and assumed you were actually trying to make sense of things, so i tried to help out. Like i said, you are preaching to the converted, or barking up the wrong tree. Seriously, we aren't the people who let people down, you'd better look harder then try and teach the baddies how they should be.
Read some of this thread, definetly not all.
Most of the time was spent in sheer disbelief at the ignorancy displayed by you Dethred, repeating yourself over and over again with some complete nonsense. If you could back up most of your stuff with even a shred of evidence then perhaps people would listen to you, but it seems that's too advanced for you, or maybe there is no evidence to back you up.... oh wait, there isn't
Most of the time was spent in sheer disbelief at the ignorancy displayed by you Dethred, repeating yourself over and over again with some complete nonsense. If you could back up most of your stuff with even a shred of evidence then perhaps people would listen to you, but it seems that's too advanced for you, or maybe there is no evidence to back you up.... oh wait, there isn't
My last attempt:
But there are? You can still join demo servers with an S2 license, so you haven't suddenly been excluded from other races. In fact the higher the license you have, the more racers you have access to - the figure is never lower.
And it's clear from the graph that during the morning in Europe, there are less than 50 people online at one point - but almost every day it goes over 400 at peak hours. That's simply due to most of the LFS players being in Europe and therefore most are at work/education during the day.
But there are? You can still join demo servers with an S2 license, so you haven't suddenly been excluded from other races. In fact the higher the license you have, the more racers you have access to - the figure is never lower.
And it's clear from the graph that during the morning in Europe, there are less than 50 people online at one point - but almost every day it goes over 400 at peak hours. That's simply due to most of the LFS players being in Europe and therefore most are at work/education during the day.
*sigh*
Ok, last post for me now in this thread, atleast until a(nother) lunatic stirrs up the "discussion" again.
Dethred, do you know how a discussion works? Normally one person states his opinion, then the other reads this and evaluates the statements made by the discussion partner, then maybe comments on that or atleast tries to point out why he is of different opinion.
What you do is simply leaving out the evaluation part. This is no discussion, this is arguing. And in arguing over the internet, nobody wins. Actually, a discussion isn't about winning either, but about learning from each other or about discovering new views on a subject. To make that work both parties have to make sense and follow the rules of actually listening to eachother.
Now, what you mostly do is to quote a part of someones post, then completely ignore the content of it just to post the same made up "facts" again. This leads nowhere and stopping the "discussion" right here and now is probably best for both parties, before it evolves into a sh¡tstorm of internet drama.
[size]PS: I bet Scawen is really sad, now that you announced not to buy S3[/size]
Dethred, do you know how a discussion works? Normally one person states his opinion, then the other reads this and evaluates the statements made by the discussion partner, then maybe comments on that or atleast tries to point out why he is of different opinion.
What you do is simply leaving out the evaluation part. This is no discussion, this is arguing. And in arguing over the internet, nobody wins. Actually, a discussion isn't about winning either, but about learning from each other or about discovering new views on a subject. To make that work both parties have to make sense and follow the rules of actually listening to eachother.
Now, what you mostly do is to quote a part of someones post, then completely ignore the content of it just to post the same made up "facts" again. This leads nowhere and stopping the "discussion" right here and now is probably best for both parties, before it evolves into a sh¡tstorm of internet drama.
[size]PS: I bet Scawen is really sad, now that you announced not to buy S3[/size]
Well, it strikes me as though Dethred has TOTALLY missed the point of LFS. The main is claiming the multiplayer sucks (best available in most opinions), and claiming the tiny physics bug make it unplayable. You must be an awful driver 
Dethred, I think you should just give up.
you ain't gonna achieve anything and I think you'd know by now, go do something else.
maybe just stay away from LFS, you might feel better. lol.
you ain't gonna achieve anything and I think you'd know by now, go do something else.
maybe just stay away from LFS, you might feel better. lol.
No, I said the game has potential. I said the physics need improvement to the same degree that Scawen has. My complaint with Multiplayer can only be fixed with the finishing of the S2 version and greater success in getting others to play. It is certainly playable if there are more than 40-50 people online at a time. Is that Scawen's fault? Heck no. What I was also complaining about is the virtual advertisement at the top of LFS's homepage that shows more player than there are available for the version they are showing as current. Also, yeah, I am pretty terrible at driving
Someone with remote intelligence would presume that a thread about recommendations is not for the players but for the developers. I am 100% sure now that maybe 5% of you understand that. I am sorry, but when I am making a suggestion for the game I don't want to read what some random dolt wants to say. No where in the original post or in any of mine were there requests for input. I am not sure how it is in Europe, but I assumed most cultures speak when its appropriate, and shut up otherwise. I suppose I was wrong.
Do I care if Scawen is sad or not? No. But maybe it will illustrate that acting like that to customers is the worst business approach anyone trying to make money could ever take. That's twice now that he's been as bad as most of the people on this forum.
Do you honestly think that he (AndroidXP) meant really that?
:chairfall
Yes of course, I wasn't being sarcastic, and I'm not being sarcastic now either.
Just to join in the fun
Sorry, but coming from an American?
To other Americans, that was a bit of a generalisation, but hopefully you'll let it slide this once.
Oh also, Dethred, like you said, you don't know what it is like in Europe. The developers are European, so you have no idea what their motives are, how they work, live, do business, anything. They could easily have a healthy lump of money in the bank and just be doing LFS because they enjoy it. Who knows, I don't, and like you said, nor do you.
Frankly, I'm not overly fussed what their motives are, they make a very good game in my opinion, and I've had my £24 of enjoyment no problem.
Thank all 3 of you.
Sorry, but coming from an American?
To other Americans, that was a bit of a generalisation, but hopefully you'll let it slide this once.
Oh also, Dethred, like you said, you don't know what it is like in Europe. The developers are European, so you have no idea what their motives are, how they work, live, do business, anything. They could easily have a healthy lump of money in the bank and just be doing LFS because they enjoy it. Who knows, I don't, and like you said, nor do you.
Frankly, I'm not overly fussed what their motives are, they make a very good game in my opinion, and I've had my £24 of enjoyment no problem.
Thank all 3 of you.
Yeah, maybe they should act like all the other developers except for a couple of old-time ISI guys and not respond to our questions at all...
Like my mom used to say... When there's one fly on your face it's because the fly wanted to... If there's hundreds of flies on you, you probably need to take a shower. Same here... If one guy won't agree with you, it could well be him... When nobody agrees with you, you should wonder if it's not you who's wrong. And no, I don't agree with you either.
Now let it go, and move on...
I can't believe that this discussion is still going on. :nut:
Even if the developers would stop any working on it I wouldn't feel betrayed, because LFS is one of the best multiplayer racing games I ever seen. (Well as long as a master server is still managing the games and isn't turned off as EA has done it with NFS Porsche and will probably do soon with NFS UG1.) I also saw many racing games with an pathetic multiplayer mode or no working multiplayer support at all without a third party fan patch or mods.
So I would say I got already enough for the money I paid compared to other games. And it's getting even better as far as the developers find some time to implement and test some new things instead of reading and answering to that pointless discussion.
Even if the developers would stop any working on it I wouldn't feel betrayed, because LFS is one of the best multiplayer racing games I ever seen. (Well as long as a master server is still managing the games and isn't turned off as EA has done it with NFS Porsche and will probably do soon with NFS UG1.) I also saw many racing games with an pathetic multiplayer mode or no working multiplayer support at all without a third party fan patch or mods.
So I would say I got already enough for the money I paid compared to other games. And it's getting even better as far as the developers find some time to implement and test some new things instead of reading and answering to that pointless discussion.
If I were the LFS devs I would be tempted to just give it up and go get a regular job if more people acted like Dethred...
My god man, what is your problem?
Also you are making other Americans look bad.
Is everything so horrible in your life you need to come give these guys a hard time to feel better? If you don't like it go play something else and wait for the next update.. that's the great thing about LFS, there will be another update.
My god man, what is your problem?
Also you are making other Americans look bad.
Is everything so horrible in your life you need to come give these guys a hard time to feel better? If you don't like it go play something else and wait for the next update.. that's the great thing about LFS, there will be another update.
Wow, Dethred, i can understand how you may feel persecuted (spelling..)
after all those posts, but you must admit that most of your post are
negative to begin with. As we say, you see 'the glass half empty' while
most here are trying to tell you, 'the glass is half full', it's also on it's way
to being full ! How many games are full of bugs, get a patch or two, then
they come up with a new version or 'mod' that you have to BUY leaving
the old version for dead ? How many games did you play that aren't as
'fun' as announced ? The main argument here is staying power. LFS lasts.
I see many things to fix myself, but after trying an older version not
long ago, i realised how much the new physics IS an improvement !
Man, how many games do you play that update the physics constantly !?
Ok i probably should have pressed back here, but sometimes i just can't
help myself. People agree with what you say, just not how you say it.
You are the one thinking others are blind or some sort of autobots
brainwashed by SEV. I appreciate what they've given me. There are SOOO
many things that are a waste of 40$, LFS just isn't one of them imo, sorry.
LFS by itself IS free, it's the added content that is not
after all those posts, but you must admit that most of your post are
negative to begin with. As we say, you see 'the glass half empty' while
most here are trying to tell you, 'the glass is half full', it's also on it's way
to being full ! How many games are full of bugs, get a patch or two, then
they come up with a new version or 'mod' that you have to BUY leaving
the old version for dead ? How many games did you play that aren't as
'fun' as announced ? The main argument here is staying power. LFS lasts.
I see many things to fix myself, but after trying an older version not
long ago, i realised how much the new physics IS an improvement !
Man, how many games do you play that update the physics constantly !?
Ok i probably should have pressed back here, but sometimes i just can't
help myself. People agree with what you say, just not how you say it.
You are the one thinking others are blind or some sort of autobots
brainwashed by SEV. I appreciate what they've given me. There are SOOO
many things that are a waste of 40$, LFS just isn't one of them imo, sorry.
LFS by itself IS free, it's the added content that is not
can nobody see the big green dribbling giant troll? after all these posts?
:feedtroll:
methinks it should be locking time?
:feedtroll:
methinks it should be locking time?
God guys lets just stop feeding the troll (yeah, yeah, I'm just as guilty). Dethred just gets off on being an internet troll and winding people up. He's been doing the same thing on these forums and RSC for years now. Maybe its time for the silent treatment.
We could maybe, erm, you know, do that thing, erm, go, erm, race?
Play LFS?
I for one am off to look for a server
Play LFS?
I for one am off to look for a server
This thread is closed
This is not just a suggestion
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