im really sorry to have started this, all i wanted was a couple of pointers in case i was doing something wrong. i didnt mean it to turn into an arguement.

why dont you just all agree to disagree

ps. got my MOMO

The driving in the 8 lap is absolutely dire at the best of times mate, these rules are simply their to keep people from crashing nothing else. It works to a certain degree, I can guarantee if the no high pass rule wasn't there, crashes would be a lot more frequent. The FO8's turning circle just isn't sufficient tbh.

hehe scarysquirrel, i must apologise myself but i believe strongly in that oval does take a fair bit of skill to run. I have a momo and i absolutely love it Have fun with it mate.

you know what works on your server and thats fine! i have no problem with u guys rules and when i join ur server i follow them! i also never said 35 times were good, but at that time that was what people were shooting for! you dont seem to be paying attention to peoples comments and acting as if u have to defend the oval! if thats what u like, so be it, u payed your license fee so have fun with it! but dont assume someone cant do a certain time just because they enjoy making right hand turns occasionally!

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im really sorry to have started this, all i wanted was a couple of pointers in case i was doing something wrong. i didnt mean it to turn into an arguement.

why dont you just all agree to disagree

ps. got my MOMO

Ok, some advice:

First you may think your line is ok but it's probably not. Hooking in to the corner and preserve speed isn't just a matter of following the correct path. Its important how you steer. I call it hooking because that's how it feels. No other way I can explain it

When a car slowely closes in on you over a large distance, he had time to pick up a lot of speed. When that car is overtaking you you are one step from gettin' 'hung out to dry'. The best way to avoid it is first acknowledge the problem (so check what is happening in your mirror)then don't go too wide when he overtakes you (stay low) and immediatly position your car behind im when he's past (use your side views OFTEN). A split second can make the difference. What ever you do, don't go too wide!

Be prepared for cars that exit low. It's the most obvious way to get rid of someone. When you notice it, don't waste any time and get back in the draft straight away. Don't think you'll catch them when they come back up cause that's exactly what they won't do.

yeah thats what im trying to get better at, getting in their draft ASAP.

atm though im spending a bit more time trying to learn the proper tracks, my MOMO has made a huge difference so far, much easier to hold slides now and i cannow go down a straight without wobbling side to side

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Ok, some advice:

First you may think your line is ok but it's probably not. Hooking in to the corner and preserve speed isn't just a matter of following the correct path. Its important how you steer. I call it hooking because that's how it feels. No other way I can explain it

When a car slowely closes in on you over a large distance, he had time to pick up a lot of speed. When that car is overtaking you you are one step from gettin' 'hung out to dry'. The best way to avoid it is first acknowledge the problem (so check what is happening in your mirror)then don't go too wide when he overtakes you (stay low) and immediatly position your car behind im when he's past (use your side views OFTEN). A split second can make the difference. What ever you do, don't go too wide!

Be prepared for cars that exit low. It's the most obvious way to get rid of someone. When you notice it, don't waste any time and get back in the draft straight away. Don't think you'll catch them when they come back up cause that's exactly what they won't do.

Yup, seems obvious to me. After 5 minutes of oval racing I was bored of it, despite the 'nuances'

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Yup, seems obvious to me. After 5 minutes of oval racing I was bored of it, despite the 'nuances'

I'm sorry but it's just too obvious.

You have one hell of an Ego, don't you?

sometimes, about some things, yes. Don't we all. But at other things (well, the majority of things really), I'm pretty terrible and I know it. I do however try to become vaguely good at everything I attempt, whether it be a computer game, or mowing the lawn. Apart from cooking. It's something I just can't enjoy or want to get good at.

i can make a killer pot noodle

All pot noodles are killers

specially the 'big dave' pot noodles.

ok ok back on topic

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... cooking. It's something I just can't enjoy or want to get good at.

Not wanting to hijack, but: I did the whole professional chef thing for a few years, until I finally went nuts and had to pack it in and take a year off to recuperate (seriously!). As much as I hated it, I am at least glad I learned to cook well in the process.

Cooking's a great social skill, food makes people happy, chemically and psychologically, especially when somebody else goes to the trouble of making it for them. It's well worth learning to do it well.

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Not wanting to hijack, but: I did the whole professional chef thing for a few years, until I finally went nuts and had to pack it in and take a year off to recuperate (seriously!). As much as I hated it, I am at least glad I learned to cook well in the process.

Cooking's a great social skill, food makes people happy, chemically and psychologically, especially when somebody else goes to the trouble of making it for them. It's well worth learning to do it well.

Oh ok, since we have a chef here, let's settle this once and for all: Is preparing a bacon sandwich considered cooking?

lol, i hate u nikka!! :P but its not "preparing", the debate was over if microwaving some bacon is considered cooking!! and the answer is no!!

The oval appears easy...it is not...I started dabbling into it but got bored/frustrated as well so I took a break. I did some other tracks and focused on rF for a bit. I came back a few months later and decided to give it another go and started putting some focused effort on actually learning the proper lines and driving tecniques for this track (of which I am still only scratching the surface) doing hotlaps before getting back to the public servers. I found and have to agree that the more I learned the more I realized how little I actually do know about this track. This track is just as rewarding as any other the better you get at it. It's all a matter of personal preference.

..... or it could just be the Momo pedals

^ do u mean at launch? i'm guessing thats what u mean.

i'd say 3 out of 5 races someone has spun out at the start and crashed into me.:gnasher: <omg this is a really stupid angry face.

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sometimes, about some things, yes. Don't we all.

I don't think so. I think most people can let other people enjoy whatever they want without passing judgement. I for one have allways disliked FWD but if someone here would ask for advice on how to improve his GTI laptimes you won't find me critisizing him or claiming GTI's are boring or too easy to drive. When he likes FWD, good for him.

I can think of no other reason to give such a comment unless you have something to proof.

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But at other things (well, the majority of things really), I'm pretty terrible and I know it. I do however try to become vaguely good at everything I attempt, whether it be a computer game, or mowing the lawn.

Then maybe you could try to get better at putting yourself in someone else's position. For example imagine you would be new to LFS and you would ask for guidance. How would you feel when the first page of that thread would focus primairily on how much of an idiot you are to race on an oval in the first place or how boring that which you are doing is to the 'real' racers. Because that's what happened to this thread and when things calmed down a bit you came in to start it all over again.

I have to admit though, you are good at being honest. I'll give you that.

When I was a noob, I was adament that the LX6 was the car for me, and that I would master it first. This was the S1 equivalent of the FO8. I tended to drive it on the easiest, fastest course (Fern Bay Green iirc). Very soon afterwards a few 'masters of LFS' pointed out in no uncertain terms that I was crap at that car because I hadn't a clue how to drive. They advised that I stick to the slower cars for a bit. So I did. I learnt a lot by avoiding the fastest car on the easiest course (of course, FO8 is faster and oval is easier, but you get my point). When the MRT came out, I somehow specialised in it, and found the low power and quick responces to be brilliant, although the short wheelbase made catching mistakes difficult.

I think that if I had started LFS in the MRT then I wouldn't have been so good at it. Learning to drive the slower cars might seem duller than 180mph, but I honestly think you learn more from it.

I don't see what you'll learn from buying LFS and spending a year on the oval. You won't be learning proper oval techniques, as LFS currently isn't designed to simulate them - Nascar Racing 2003 is far far better for that at the moment.

And besides, ScarySquirrel, the starter of this thread, has been in touch with me and we've had a brief discussion. I don't think he's ovalling much anymore, preferring to master other cars on proper tracks. In short, he has now discovered LFS.

Yeah, if you actually wanna race oval with some skill involved try NR 2003.