ok i got £500 maybe a little more i need a psu v2.0 / cpu / mobo / ram / gfx . want it to be pci-e , have been thinking on a athlon 64 3000/1 gig ddr also a iturbo x800 but i would like other opinions because maybe somebody here could build one better for same price anyway i got case audigy2 sc, 80gig hdd and dvdrw so all i need is the above. going to go sata in a month or so when i have the money

thanks S2 racer Billeh

Uhh...

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Hardware section?
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sorry i was looking for as many hits as pos seeing as there is like 1 maybe 2 people a day look at the hardware section i thouhgt it better in here

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sorry i was looking for as many hits as pos seeing as there is like 1 maybe 2 people a day look at the hardware section i thouhgt it better in here

not true. people who know about 'Hardware' look in the 'Hardware' section. thats why we bother dividing the forum up into sections

i had a similar question a week or so ago and within a couple of hours i had loads of replies in the 'hardware section obviously.

ok ok lol if somebody can move it then fine go ahead

Moved.

hehe the legend has posted in my thread thanks for a great sim m8 and the rest of the team also one of the reason i upgrading

this thread might be of some use to you: http://www.lfsforum.com/showthread.php?t=2367

You wont get a much better spec machine than what you have listed for £500

By my reckoning, you'll be able to get an A64 3200, 1gig of ram, a (decent) 420W psu, and an X800XL; and that is if you go for one of the cheaper nForce4 boards as opposed to an nForce 4 Sli board, otherwise you are pushing £550

AMD Athlon 64 3500 Retail / Asus A8N-E / 1GB Corsair PC3200 XLPT Dual Channel Kit - Bundle (BU-015-OK) 1
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ Venice 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA3500BPBOX) (CP-119-AM) 1
Asus A8N-E nForce4 Ultra (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-088-AS) 1
Corsair 1GB DDR XMS3200XL Platinum TwinX (2x512MB) CAS2 (MY-049-CS) 1
£304.85 £304.85
HIS Excalibur ATI Radeon X800 GTO ICEQII TURBO 256MB GDDR3 TV-Out/DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (RX800GTO-256ICEQT) (GX-044-HT) 1
£114.95 £114.95
Akasa Ultra Quiet 400W Paxpower Active PFC ATX2.0 PSU - Black Nickel with Blue LED Fan (CA-013-AK) 1
£39.95 £39.95
Subtotal £459.75
VAT £80.46
Total £540.21



how does that look????? u thikn u could make it cheaper??

Seems I was wrong, although it was just a rough guess
Since you don't seem to mind extending to £540, how about this?
Asus A8N-E, nForce4 Ultra, Socket-939, ATX, S-ATA, GbLAN, Sound, PCI-Ex16
£64
AMD Athlon 64 3500+ 2.2GHz Socket 939, 512KB, BOXED w/fan
£145
AKASA Powersupply ATX/EPS 12V 400W 120mm Fan, SATA, 24/20pin
£45
Sapphire Radeon X800XL 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express,Tv-Out, DVI-I, Full-Retail
£189
Corsair TWINX1024-3200C2PRO DDR 1024MB Kit w/two matched 512MB 3200C2 PRO's DIM
£97

Total: £540

Or, you could have this GFX card (the X800GT as opposed to X800XL) and save £70 so the total would be £470

PowerColor Radeon X800GT 256MB GDDR3 PCI-Express, Dual-DVI-I, Tv-Out, Retail £119

The money saved is from switching from TwinXXL to TwinXC2Pro. You really only need the uber tight timings of the TwinXXL if you are overclocking, and if you aren't planning to overclock it isn't worth the extra £40.

However, if you go for the X800XL, you shouldn't need to overclock because it should run most everything pretty sweet anyway.

All prices inclusive of VAT, and quoted from www.komplett.co.uk

If you have the cash, I'd spring for a 7800GT instead of the X800XL. A bit more expensive but TONS faster than anything else on the market (except the 7800GTX). Should keep you satisfied for longer.

Oh yeah, it's got some nice texture anti-aliasing, too (useful for things like chain link fences). Someone posted some screenshots of it in LFS a little while ago.

Here are some benchmarks:

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=2496&p=3

Note: The benchmarks were run with an AMD FX-55, a faster CPU than the 3500+, but not too much faster. Clock speed difference is 400MHz, about 18%.

ok i got a couple threads in diff forums i post this one from a m8

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AMD Opteron UP 146 San Diego 2.0GHz 1MB Cache (Socket 939) - Retail (CP-142-AM) - £94.95
DFI LanParty UT NF4 Ultra-D (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-014-DF) - £84.95
Enermax Liberty 500W ELT500AWT ATX2.2 Modular SLI Compliant PSU (CA-025-EN) - £64.50
Sapphire ATI Radeon X800 GTO² 256MB DDR3 TV-Out/DVI (PCI-Express) - Retail (GX-101-SP) - £132.95
GeIL 1GB (2x512MB) PC3200 Value Dual Channel Kit CAS2.5 (GE1GB3200BHDC) (MY-005-GL) - £64.95

Subtotal £442.30

Shipping (Amtrak Next Day (Mon-Fri) - UK Mainland) £9.75

VAT £79.11

Total £531.16

whats peoples views on that chip he has said is it as good or better than the 64 3500???

and overclocking is in my head for a later date


and i don think i got the cash for the 7800 not with my budget .


edit also note that the chip above has 1mb cache????

that opteron chip is ok. you can overclock the hell out of it (some people have it at 3ghz on air), you need good ram though

Billeh, the Opteron 146 is equivalent to the 3200+ in terms of clock speed, but with twice the cache. I don't know if you are familiar with the term so I'll explain.

Cache is basically just some VERY high speed memory on the CPU itself. More is always better, but some apps don't take advantage of it as much as others. Games typically don't care much about the size of your cache. However, this has changed recently with the release of such games as Doom 3 and Half-Life 2. Case in point:

Doom 3 cache comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch ... owdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=5

Half-Life 2 cache comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch ... owdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=5

Not really all that significant, but neither is an extra 200MHz these days. The Opteron series may also have unlocked multipliers but I'm not sure about that. The only current AMD CPU's that I'm sure have unlocked multipliers are the FX series.

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Billeh, the Opteron 146 is equivalent to the 3200+ in terms of clock speed, but with twice the cache. I don't know if you are familiar with the term so I'll explain.

Cache is basically just some VERY high speed memory on the CPU itself. More is always better, but some apps don't take advantage of it as much as others. Games typically don't care much about the size of your cache. However, this has changed recently with the release of such games as Doom 3 and Half-Life 2. Case in point:

Doom 3 cache comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch ... owdoc.aspx?i=2149&p=5

Half-Life 2 cache comparison:
http://www.anandtech.com/cpuch ... owdoc.aspx?i=2330&p=5

Not really all that significant, but neither is an extra 200MHz these days. The Opteron series may also have unlocked multipliers but I'm not sure about that. The only current AMD CPU's that I'm sure have unlocked multipliers are the FX series.

so if u where buying either of those chips m8 u would go with the athlon 64 3500???? graphics card i think is going to be the unlockable gto2 x800 if i can get my hands on one

Depends on the price of each CPU. The price you quoted for the 146 was cheaper than I could find here in the US (at least with a really quick search). I think in most cases the performance between the 3500 and the 146 will be just about even. The extra cache will probably negate the loss of 200MHz in clock speed. Just go with the cheaper of the two.

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Depends on the price of each CPU. The price you quoted for the 146 was cheaper than I could find here in the US (at least with a really quick search). I think in most cases the performance between the 3500 and the 146 will be just about even. The extra cache will probably negate the loss of 200MHz in clock speed. Just go with the cheaper of the two.

but with some overclocking the opteron processor will not only have more cache but it will also get up to atleast 2800mhz on air which is = to ?? ahhhhhhhhhhhhh i dont know i am so so puzzled by all this lol last time i made a computer it was straight forward lol

:edit: sorry i ment to thank u also for all yah input m8 thanks

FX-57 = 2.8GHz with a 1MB cache (unlocked multiplier, San Diego core)

Opteron 146 = 2.0GHz and 1MB cache (and possibly unlocked multiplier, not sure about the core, probably San Diego)
Athlon 64 3700+ = 2.2GHz and 1MB cache (locked multiplier, San Diego core)
Athlon 64 3500+ = 2.2GHz and 512KB cache (locked multiplier, Venice core)
Athlon 64 3200+ = 2.0GHz and 512KB cache (locked multiplier, Venice core)

I don't believe in overclocking, though. Venice and San Diego are the same core with different L2 cache sizes.