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New Version 0.6T - More robust multiplayer system
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#26 - 3T-
Hi Scawen, im getting the following error after about 20 minutes of play,

Fault bucket 2243263143867943033, type 1
Event Name: APPCRASH
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

Problem signature:
P1: LFS.exe
P2: 0.0.0.0
P3: 5b40a62a
P4: LFS.exe
P5: 0.0.0.0
P6: 5b40a62a
P7: c0000005
P8: 00159069
P9:
P10:

Attached files:
\\?\C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\Temp\WERF60F.tmp.dmp
\\?\C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\Temp\WERF6BC.tmp.WERInternalMetadata.xml
\\?\C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\Temp\WERF6CC.tmp.xml
\\?\C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\Temp\WERF6CA.tmp.csv
\\?\C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\Temp\WERF6DB.tmp.txt

These files may be available here:
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\WER\ReportArchive\AppCrash_LFS.exe_a78fb961d43e68aaa5429aeb3d6d85194206bbf_bb69f408_03bafa74

Analysis symbol:
Rechecking for solution: 0
Report Id: f3e7c6e7-9a8f-4d9e-84e7-79e25ded2158
Report Status: 268435456
Hashed bucket: 3f0868f24f1347536f21abf1abf98879
Cab Guid: 0


PLEASE HELP SOMEONE Frown
Quote from Sobis :...
E: Am I the only one who didn't receive news e-mail? The option is set to "yes, please" in the personal details.

indeed, same here, did not receive an email this time.
Quote from Litro :Yesterday I updated my LFS, but when i went trough all startup options, when i clicked on last `Go` button, it freezed on that screen. There were 2 LFS on that computer, so the same happened with other version of lfs also. I had to `end process` in task manager.
Somehow AVG antivirus also deleted lfs.exe for LFS, so i cant run it anymore Big grin

I can't deal with faulty anti virus software, of course. I don't know what could have gone wrong when you clicked Go. Do you get better results if you install a fresh version?

Quote from 3T- :Hi Scawen, im getting the following error after about 20 minutes of play,

Fault bucket 2243263143867943033, type 1
Event Name: APPCRASH
Response: Not available
Cab Id: 0

...

Thanks for the info. Just at the moment you are the only one to report a crash and we didn't get one in any of the recent test patches (other than one in early test patches that happened at startup and I believe we found the cause and fixed it). So I'm wondering if your computer could possibly be overheating as it is so hot. It could cause the CPU or memory to do something funny, so maybe you could open it and check for dust?

Quote from Flotch :indeed, same here, did not receive an email this time.

We haven't sent one. I'm not sure if we will or not, actually haven't discussed it with Victor yet.
#29 - 3T-
Quote from Scawen :
Thanks for the info. Just at the moment you are the only one to report a crash and we didn't get one in any of the recent test patches (other than one in early test patches that happened at startup and I believe we found the cause and fixed it). So I'm wondering if your computer could possibly be overheating as it is so hot. It could cause the CPU or memory to do something funny, so maybe you could open it and check for dust?


We haven't sent one. I'm not sure if we will or not, actually haven't discussed it with Victor yet.

Ive cleaned it out but ive just realised it only occurs on the TC Drving servers im guessing it could be the amount of connections but my pc is fairly cool, CPU is at 50 Degrees Celcius, and the GC at 60 even my motherboard is at 45. its been running for about an hour after i thought a restart cwould fix it. thank you for the fast reply though really appreciate it.

EDIT: - about 15 minutes since i replied i went straight to TC Driving one, no lag or anything everything is perfect then BOOM it just vanished with no error or warning. could it be that im running triple screen?

ERROR FROM EVENT VIEWER:

Faulting application name: LFS.exe, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x5b40a62a
Faulting module name: LFS.exe, version: 0.0.0.0, time stamp: 0x5b40a62a
Exception code: 0xc0000005
Fault offset: 0x00159069
Faulting process ID: 0xdec
Faulting application start time: 0x01d416b3d351c53f
Faulting application path: G:\LFS\LFS.exe
Faulting module path: G:\LFS\LFS.exe
Report ID: 7d672d3f-5415-46e5-b344-b56e51b2e325
Faulting package full name:
Faulting package-relative application ID:
I'll look at that crash address later and see if I can get any info from it. Thanks.
#31 - 3T-
Quote from Scawen :I'll look at that crash address later and see if I can get any info from it. Thanks.

Thank you Tongue
Quote from Scawen :I'll look at that crash address later and see if I can get any info from it. Thanks.

Quote from 3T- :Thank you Tongue

I've narrowed this down quite a lot.

As far as I can see this can only be when:

1) You are driving.
2) A certain car joins and you haven't seen that car since joining the server.

Then it uses the "use blank textures to reduce pit-out glitch" code and that is the only time the function where the crash occurred is ever called.

To cause the crash in that case:

3) The car that joined has a texture without a name.
4) The material being created is of a type that we haven't used in any of our car models.

I've loaded the 20 LFS cars to check and in theory this situation cannot come up. So that makes me wonder if you have installed one of those 'safe' VOB mods that is purely visual and doesn't create any advantage or out-of-sync in multiplayer.

Obviously I don't hold it against you for using such a mod - it's not cheating in any way, but it would be great if you could confirm if you do have any VOB mods in your data\veh folder. In that case it would explain why most people aren't getting the crash and if you replace the official .vob files problem would then go away.
#33 - 3T-
Quote from Scawen :I've narrowed this down quite a lot.

As far as I can see this can only be when:

1) You are driving.
2) A certain car joins and you haven't seen that car since joining the server.

Then it uses the "use blank textures to reduce pit-out glitch" code and that is the only time the function where the crash occurred is ever called.

To cause the crash in that case:

3) The car that joined has a texture without a name.
4) The material being created is of a type that we haven't used in any of our car models.

I've loaded the 20 LFS cars to check and in theory this situation cannot come up. So that makes me wonder if you have installed one of those 'safe' VOB mods that is purely visual and doesn't create any advantage or out-of-sync in multiplayer.

Obviously I don't hold it against you for using such a mod - it's not cheating in any way, but it would be great if you could confirm if you do have any VOB mods in your data\veh folder. In that case it would explain why most people aren't getting the crash and if you replace the official .vob files problem would then go away.

Oh sugar yessss I had a VOB for the BF1 that looked like the new F1 Halo hehe but I shall do this as soon as I get back to my pc, THANK YOU SCAWEN !!
Updated to 0.6T. Someone above already asked this but it was not answered properly. How to remove the lfs.net logo/watermark from the top left of the screen while in game?

Before the update it wasn't there. I had my FPS showing on that side but now I can only set my FPS to be shown on the top right.

And also any idea when Pro tweaker will be updated to work with 0.6T? It's hard to drift nicely with the stock XRG...
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Quote from Yukesekai :Updated to 0.6T. Someone above already asked this but it was not answered properly. How to remove the lfs.net logo/watermark from the top left of the screen while in game?

Buy a licence.

Quote from Yukesekai : It's hard to drift nicely with the stock XRG

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Quote from x25xe :how the indicator will close?

https://www.imagevisit.com/images/2018/07/08/Adsiza38af4ebb6ee9416.png

Quote from Yukesekai :Updated to 0.6T. Someone above already asked this but it was not answered properly. How to remove the lfs.net logo/watermark from the top left of the screen while in game?

Before the update it wasn't there. I had my FPS showing on that side but now I can only set my FPS to be shown on the top right.

This can be switched off in Options - Misc.

This option is only available for licensed users.

The idea of the demo is to try out Live for Speed, and if you like it we hope you'll buy a license which we think is great value as you get all future updates with no extra charge. If people buy a license then we can buy food, clothes, pay our taxes and so on, to allow us to continue developing LFS. We think it is a good idea to show demo racers the website address to remind them in case they forget! Smile
Quote from Scawen :I can't deal with faulty anti virus software, of course. I don't know what could have gone wrong when you clicked Go. Do you get better results if you install a fresh version?

OKey, I will try to do a fresh installation, or probably i will just uninstall antivirus.
Good job on the update Smile I'm waiting patiently for more information on what's to come next. All of the things mentioned: tire physics updates, track updates, graphics engine updates sounds amazing on their own.
I don't actually think VOB mods affect other people, because the mod is only on their computer, not yours. On your computer you just see the unmodified car - loading happens in the same way as usual. So if the mod is constructed in such a way that is has the same physics bounding box, then it passes the OOS check and all is well and collisions take place as normal.

We don't support such mods in any way. They are only 'wrong' in the sense that all cars of that type look different on the modded computer. But I don't believe they are harming other players.
Wizard, I have one idea for you to try. I wonder if your computer could be slowed down when people join by massively full skins_x or skins_y folders. Then Windows could take a seemingly long time (fraction of a second) to search the list of files.

So a possible solution to try is to temporarily rename those folders to something else (before you start LFS). Then LFS will create an empty folder when you start it and Windows won't be searching through hundreds of files to see if a skin is available each time someone joins. Of course, this is quite irrelevant if there aren't many files in those folders.
BTW I think that logo Super idea Thumbs up
Quote from Scawen :Wizard, I have one idea for you to try. I wonder if your computer could be slowed down when people join by massively full skins_x or skins_y folders. Then Windows could take a seemingly long time (fraction of a second) to search the list of files.

So a possible solution to try is to temporarily rename those folders to something else (before you start LFS). Then LFS will create an empty folder when you start it and Windows won't be searching through hundreds of files to see if a skin is available each time someone joins. Of course, this is quite irrelevant if there aren't many files in those folders.

This explains the small lags i sometimes have when someone joins server Smile

Edit: or joins track
Quote from Yukesekai :Updated to 0.6T. Someone above already asked this but it was not answered properly. How to remove the lfs.net logo/watermark from the top left of the screen while in game?

Before the update it wasn't there. I had my FPS showing on that side but now I can only set my FPS to be shown on the top right.

And also any idea when Pro tweaker will be updated to work with 0.6T? It's hard to drift nicely with the stock XRG...

i know it sucks for me to say this, but if you like the game support the devs by buying a licence.
its not that expencive, and you will get more content as time goes on.
That's the result of the special code which reduces the pit-out glitch. It deliberately avoids loading the textures of the car of a player who joins while you are driving, because doing so can cause a glitch. Then when you stop your car or the race restarts, those textures are loaded.
Couldn't you load them in another thread or load them one after another, instead of loading them all in one frame?
I suppose so but just to be clear this was done more than 10 years ago, it's nothing new, so I'm not regarding it as a priority for now.
Scawen, have you considered adding hashing of the skins directories to work around the slow directory access issue?

The texture issue above is not that it hasn't loaded the user's skin, it hasn't loaded the car's base textures either. If that also glitches, maybe they can be pre-loaded as there are less of them than user skins.
Are any InSim connection issues known?

The Insim connection (through LFS World > Racers & Hosts online > Insim Relay) to my dedicated server still failed. But if I try a tool outside it reports that my Insim port is open. Perhaps an issue on LFS World side?

Switzerland, Zurich Connected 0.039 seconds

Used tool/website: https://check-host.net/check-tcp

The firewall rule isn't limited to a specified IP. Everyone can connect to the Insim port.

New Version 0.6T - More robust multiplayer system
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