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Quote from mike1158 :......and a second or two per lap means what over a full race distance?

Well it means 2seconds a lap over a whole race distance lol
Quote from BlueFlame :Well it means 2seconds a lap over a whole race distance lol

An example of why I rarely post here...........
Quote from mike1158 :......and a second or two per lap means what over a full race distance?

Probably only a few minutes? Not much...
A few minutes = 1 lap down.
Quote from mike1158 :An example of why I rarely post here...........

It was a slightly daft question in fairness. The question is not if 2 seconds is a lot within a class (it's obviously huge), only if since they're (on occasion) that close now, is it possible that the Caterhams and Marussias will be pushed back to less than GP2 performance. 2 seconds might be a lot, but it wouldn't be that hard to add 2 seconds to an F1 lap time by reducing wing size.
Still its early days, expect rapid development during the year.

That 2 second gap is around how much slower the cars where in 2011 to 2013 with similar regs.
Quote from Mustafur :Still its early days, expect rapid development during the year.

That 2 second gap is around how much slower the cars where in 2011 to 2013 with similar regs.

Spain

1:20.8 2011 Pole
1:20.7 2013 Pole

Britain

1:30.3 2011 Pole
1.29.7 2013 Pole

Monaco

1:13.5 2011 Pole
1:13.8 2013 Pole

Australia

1:24.4 2004 Pole Time
1:24.9 2012 Pole Time (2013 was damp)
1:24.8 (Q2) 2009

The regulations have kept the cars, in quali pace at least, not much different for a decade or so.
Lets not forget effect of DRS in qualifying. In 2013 it was restricted, wasn't it?
Quote from TypeRacing :Lets not forget effect of DRS in qualifying. In 2013 it was restricted, wasn't it?

at worst that's a .5 loss. Still not the two second difference suggested.
Im just going by what the teams said, the ones with the actual information.

Also all those times compared where before they changed to the better rubber in the 2nd half of the season.
Gary Anderson thought the regs themselves should be about 3-4s slower. But that doesn't account for how much the teams are able to gain back in development. But the Pirelli factor is unknown right now
Quote from Intrepid :Spain

1:20.8 2011 Pole
1:20.7 2013 Pole

Britain

1:30.3 2011 Pole
1.29.7 2013 Pole

Monaco

1:13.5 2011 Pole
1:13.8 2013 Pole

Australia

1:24.4 2004 Pole Time
1:24.9 2012 Pole Time (2013 was damp)
1:24.8 (Q2) 2009

The regulations have kept the cars, in quali pace at least, not much different for a decade or so.

Keep in mind a full tank in 2012 in australia compared to near empty tanks for the rest puts things into perspective.
Do you mean 2004?
Quote from sinbad :It was a slightly daft question in fairness. The question is not if 2 seconds is a lot within a class (it's obviously huge), only if since they're (on occasion) that close now, is it possible that the Caterhams and Marussias will be pushed back to less than GP2 performance. 2 seconds might be a lot, but it wouldn't be that hard to add 2 seconds to an F1 lap time by reducing wing size.

Smaller wings would not reduce lap time by that much. All you do is increase top speeds on a long straight and since that would REDUCE the speeds on high speed corners or just fall off the circuit, you would be back where you started. Balance is where lap times are improved overall, that and a better chassis/aero ballance. Balance being the operative point.
Quote from IsaacPrice :Gary Anderson thought the regs themselves should be about 3-4s slower. But that doesn't account for how much the teams are able to gain back in development. But the Pirelli factor is unknown right now

It should be noted any 'massive' aero gains will be subject to FIA pressure no doubt. The cars are no quicker now than they were in 2009 despite many innovations and developments.
Quote from Mustafur :Keep in mind a full tank in 2012 in australia compared to near empty tanks for the rest puts things into perspective.

Also in 2013 the drivers could use drs only on the drs areas of the track during sessions but in 2012 the drivers could use drs everywhere on the track during practise and qualifying. So that slowed the cars down as well. Plus the floor tweaks and exhaust-diffuser rules changes at the end of 2011 season.

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