You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to seeing all these rash comments against Seb as he just keeps on piling victories now.
P.S. He needs 8 straight wins to do one better then Schumi.
You have no idea how much I'm looking forward to seeing all these rash comments against Seb as he just keeps on piling victories now.
P.S. He needs 8 straight wins to do one better then Schumi.
Tough break for Webber, and it was an impressive run by Kimi 
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If it was illegal to carry Webber back then the rule deserved to be broken.
. Watched flag to flag .If it was illegal to carry Webber back then the rule deserved to be broken
.Agreed. Also, the booing to Vettel is just funny. The public know he doesn't deserve the results he has, partly because he's a ****, but mostly because he's just an average driver in the best car.
So Webber is below average then?
Disclaimer, neither do I like Vettel nor do I rate Webber that low, it's just funny how they keep calling Vettel an average driver when he was clearly showing he has what it takes in his first races with bmw sauber and torro rosso
Disclaimer, neither do I like Vettel nor do I rate Webber that low, it's just funny how they keep calling Vettel an average driver when he was clearly showing he has what it takes in his first races with bmw sauber and torro rosso
Vettel doesn't get car issues every race such as Kers, clutch or other issue.
So to compare them is actually wrong.
Also, his first race he was lucky to get a point because ironically it was Webber who retired on the last lap to gift Vettel that 8th.
And the Toro Rosso of 2008 was actually a very good car.
Sure, he wheeled it good in his early days, but his results far supersede his actual ability.
Decent race for Alolso, great race for Räikkönen. Dolan picked up a few places as well, so well done to him after binning it in the practice. Vetl, one can only hope that RBR gets its designs wrong in 2014.. 
Maaak Webbah gets a 10 place grid penalty for third reprimand of the season, after running out in front of the Mercedes drivers who almost his Alonso and him. Alonso gets a reprimand too. Tom Carey says they were lucky to just get a reprimand.
E: Apparently no reprimand for Fernando? Apparently Webber ran out to get Fernando to stop... what the hell was he thinking??
EE: Reprimand confirmed for Fernando.
E: Apparently no reprimand for Fernando? Apparently Webber ran out to get Fernando to stop... what the hell was he thinking??
EE: Reprimand confirmed for Fernando.
Bullshit. Dear FIA, die in a fire.
It was a reprimand... it was his third of the season, thus under the new rules he gets a penalty. The penalty isn't for the incident... though it sounds like he was lucky to get away with just a reprimand!!
True.
If it were Vettel, people would have hoped for a DSQ. Ridiculous hateful people.
Well maybe he was thinkin, i need a ride back the pits and can't be arsed to take a scooter ride with everyone and their dog asking for an autograph.
It's hardly as dangerous as you're implying, I mean he's not Petter Solberg ffs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UXMCLiAvzg8#t=60
If Hamilton isn't aware as quickly as he has been there, he crashes into Alonso's car and hurts Webber who is just about to step into the car. Not dangerous? Watch for yourself. "Smart" thinking from Alonso to stop on the racing line after a blind corner.
Yea well CSF was whining about Webber not Alonso
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Vettel and Webber don't have the same car. Red Bull aren't part of the constructors Union, they don't subscribe to the same rule set that the rest of the field do. Vettel doesn't care about that, Webber does. Webber is a world class racer who not only races in F1 but races in many other race forums. Vettel, is a Red Bull brat who just wants the glory. (I'm sure we all would, but there are way's and means) But too reiterate, Red Bull don't race the same cars. To be fair, Vettel has to have some skill as he is, at the end of the day, racing an F1 car. But it is by far NOT a level playing field. You can see where the level playing field starts by comparing the timings further down the field. And in Singapore that started with the Mclarens. Vettel was 30 secs. 30 SECONDS faster than the next fastest man. Maybe in other racing sports thats acceptable. But this is F1. If these guys are not racing to the wire, then there is something serioulsy wrong with the sport. If they are truly racing with a given rule set then you would get far closer racing than this.
This isn't racing, it's commercialism. **** it, I've just talked myself out of giving a shit. Call me when it doesn't cost a billion dollars to run a team anymore.
Vettel was and had the abilty to lap 2-3 seconds a lap faster then anyone else, where webber was lapping around similar pace to the others, you can say what you want about webber but he isn't that much slower then vettel, not even chilton would be with the same equipment.
Its obvious they had two different cars at singapore.
Its obvious they had two different cars at singapore.
Webber and Vettel might not have the same car on race day, but the rest of the crap you wrote is butthurt dribble.
Penalising a team for being better is just tall poppy syndrome, mclaren on the other hand had the ability to work with newey but they wanted moat of the control and they only have them selves to blame.
I understand changing the techincal regulations every couple of years to shuffle the order a bit, just don't go crying if redbull stays on top, in F1 the bigger teams have always dominated just be greatful that this era of vettel domination still brings good racing across the feild.
In general I dont see the problem with giving a driver a lift back although I see this incident could have been different, the drivers are adults and if they hurt themselves its their own fault, same way if you cross the street without looking its your fault. Now they gave a penalty once, they will have to every time in a similar incident which is sad. Alonso should have kept driving until he was past the corner, then stopped. But then he was slowing down to let the other car go, which didnt, by which time Webber is already in a dangerous position anyways. Just one of those things imo
I know everyone says Webber doesn't have the car that Seb does, but it still doesn't make sense to me. Spend bazillions of development, not to mention the effective advertising cost of the RBR team with no primary sponsor other than RedBull, pay the driver a small fortune, and then handicap him when actually keeping race wins away from Alonso is probably more important than Vettel winning.
I'm sure the team has been more concerned with helping Vettel this year, but to consciously deny Webber the car with which to dominate the rest of the field during a race would just make no sense at all.
I think ultimately Webber is just not as fast as he used to be, whilst Vettel has improved since his first year at RBR. Webber would be getting similar treatment from any of the other front-runners imo, perhaps even more so from certain drivers.
I'm sure the team has been more concerned with helping Vettel this year, but to consciously deny Webber the car with which to dominate the rest of the field during a race would just make no sense at all.
I think ultimately Webber is just not as fast as he used to be, whilst Vettel has improved since his first year at RBR. Webber would be getting similar treatment from any of the other front-runners imo, perhaps even more so from certain drivers.
The reprimand isn't for the giving of the lift, its for the way they went about it. Apparently that video isn't the whole thing, and according to Adam Cooper, the full version shows the Marshall's asking Mark not to go out onto the track and him just running out and ignoring them. It's a blind exit corner, and it's not bright to be running out at cars like that and its not brilliant to be stopping in the middle of the road like that. Hence the reprimand.
If you look at previous instances of drivers giving lifts, none of them involves a driver charging out on to the track and none of them involves the driver stopping in the middle of the exit of a blind corner.
This, I think the gap was made bigger yesterday by tyre choice and being stuck in traffic, afterall Alonso couldnt overtake Di Resta and was 1.5 faster once he pitted, so it was pretty impossible to overtake if the other car didnt make a mistake or significantly drop pace.
Also at what CSF said, I figured something like that must have happened because of how late Webber came to the track, like he ran onto the track before they could stop him. I guess its a reaction to this incident too(funnily enough also off Adam Cooper) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtcX7UIfjHo
I know what your saying but, Webber didn't have the ability to gap anyone even in clear air.
Being 2-3 seconds a lap slower then your team mate is pretty much unheard of, I know Vettel is definitely faster then Webber but this is a completely new level.
Either Webber has completely given up and his Singapore performance was theoretically the worst of any driver on the grid that day by a huge margin, or he has a different car to what vettel used, whether it be a lack of new parts or what not.
Or they were on totally different tyres. Webber was very rarely in clear air, and when he was he was on the harder compound and on harder tyres.
2013 Formula 1 Singapore Grand Prix
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