Did the GTRs always ahave paddles?

Yes, they also come with snorkel gear and a fishing net incase you want to snag that monster shark!!!

I didnt think it was a crap thread, I didnt notice it the first time I looked at the new screenshots, oh and nKp was exactly what I expected, its a lot newer than LFS, but yet LFS has a lot of work to do still.

Bet that will go down well.

LOL, I must be the only LFS'er who doesn't give a flying F@rt what the cockpits look like

The way the car drives is important to me, not how it looks.... inside the cockpit or out....

Bitchin about missing polygons is a joke.... The joke is the person who zoomed in close enough to the mesh to notice it!

Don't you guys.... 'Just drive' ?

and I don't mean NK "Pro" ... I mean LFS

I enjoy the driving way to much to care about how the car looks.

Quote from danowat :

Not sure if this has been mentioned, and I dont remember the current FOX having this, but it looks like a tip of the hat to NKpro to me

i'm no nkp fan boy but it is kind of a coincidence.......

Have to say that I agree with CharlieP quite a bit there, the thread about the missing peice in the cmx viewer - tbh I thought was a bit off, it had ONLY JUST been released, I mean come on!

But each to thier own, roll on friday!

Quote from CharlieP :

LOL, I must be the only LFS'er who doesn't give a flying F@rt what the cockpits look like

The way the car drives is important to me, not how it looks.... inside the cockpit or out....

Bitchin about missing polygons is a joke.... The joke is the person who zoomed in close enough to the mesh to notice it!

Don't you guys.... 'Just drive' ?

and I don't mean NK "Pro" ... I mean LFS

I enjoy the driving way to much to care about how the car looks.

The cockpit is an extremely important place, its the interface between you and the car, of course, the physics of the car are paramount, but the look and feel of the cockpit is very high up the list for me.

Unless you are one of the lamerz that uses a non-cockpit view

Dan,

Quote from CharlieP :

LOL, I must be the only LFS'er who doesn't give a flying F@rt what the cockpits look like

The way the car drives is important to me, not how it looks.... inside the cockpit or out....

Ever heard about immersion? Currently LFS doesn't give an immersion that you'd be inside a race car. And what you see all the time when you drive? That's right, the cockpit.

Quote from deggis :

Ever heard about immersion? Currently LFS doesn't give an immersion that you'd be inside a race car. And what you see all the time when you drive? That's right, the cockpit.

Exactly, this is why I find it so curious that many people don't use the cockpit view illepall

Dan,

because some people really think, the "between the tire view" is more realistic illepall

Maybe the current dashboards are so bad they scare people away.

/me hides from Eric

Quote from Bob Smith :

Maybe the current dashboards are so bad they scare people away.

/me hides from Eric

:chair:

Quote from deggis :

Ever heard about immersion? Currently LFS doesn't give an immersion that you'd be inside a race car. And what you see all the time when you drive? That's right, the cockpit.

I've driven thousands of miles in my job... at a guess 15 years X 100 miles / day , given 200 working days a year about 300,000 miles + weekend and leisure driving..... countless miles....

I'd say that for 99.999999 percent of the time during this period I was actually looking at the road ahead of me and in my mirrors, and not at the dashboard of my car.

So your idea of immersive is to look at the cockpit of the car ??? Then you will probably crash a lot IRL

Reality (Immersion) is the road ahead and behind, not your dials..... pretty though they may be.

That said, I'll agree that it's good for LFS as a commodity to have better looking cockpits, for the boy racers out there

Yep in road driving you can (and should drive by feel) when your racing it's totally different. IRL at least it gets very expensive when you stop watching the tach.

And I was talking about the LFS not real life. If you use the cockpit view in LFS your eyes kind of see the cockpit all time too even if you're concentrating on the road.

Quote from deggis :

Ever heard about immersion? Currently LFS doesn't give an immersion that you'd be inside a race car. And what you see all the time when you drive? That's right, the cockpit.

When I´m racing, the only thing I´m watching at is the next bend, not the fancy dashboard or stereo system.

Anyways, it sure would be nice to have those new racecar looking
dashboards, but in my opinion those shouldn´t be priorised too high.

It's all about peripheral vision to me, when I drive IRL, I see the road ahead, and the cockpit in my peripheral vision, I can then look down to see my gauges.

In LFS, I have the same, I dont care what anyone says, the cockpit view is the most realistic and immersive view there is, and anyone who tells me that image3 is more realistic needs their head read LOL.

...and you drive with the map on :chair:

I do, yes, not that I look at it during the race, its there so that when (not if ) I spin out, I can make sure I don't drive into the path of an oncoming car, and I can see that I am not impedding someones path when I exit the pits.

Maybe a big percentage of the drivers online would benifit from having it showing, so they can see this information too

Dan,

Quote from danowat :

Ok, ok, fair enough, but ask yourself this question, if Nkpro hadnt have come out recently, would the single seater cockpits have been improved

I don't know the answer to that, but for what it's worth Dan, I thought you made a reasonable point. Not sure why you got jumped on here.

Meh...I have a thick skin, I get the impression some of the LFS fanboys don't like me too much because I like most racing sims and don't stick my flag in any one camp, whatever is fine, I am not phased by it

Dan,

Quote from danowat :

I do, yes, not that I look at it during the race, its there so that when (not if ) I spin out, I can make sure I don't drive into the path of an oncoming car, and I can see that I am not impedding someones path when I exit the pits.

Maybe a big percentage of the drivers online would benifit from having it showing, so they can see this information too

Dan,

in rL you would have pit-radio
so...i think it's ok, that some things (F9, F10, F12, etc...) is implementet
in sims!

Quote from danowat :

I do, yes, not that I look at it during the race, its there so that when (not if ) I spin out, I can make sure I don't drive into the path of an oncoming car, and I can see that I am not impedding someones path when I exit the pits.

Maybe a big percentage of the drivers online would benifit from having it showing, so they can see this information too

Dan,

Yup, you're right, I would love to drive without anything on the screen, but I noticed it was just too dangerous. When I spin out, I need to know if there is a car coming, and it's kinda hard to see a car coming around a bend sometimes, especially in the gtr's, wich have very limited sight to the side-rear. So that's why I keep driving with everything onscreen, untill there is some kind of marchall waving a flag, people listen to it, and I can safely get on my way without anyone passing me driving over 150km/h.

Quote from inCogNito :

because some people really think, the "between the tire view" is more realistic illepall

.....And I could understand that, if the the tyres themselves weren't shown- who gets that perspective IRL? Nobody. Anyway, has been discussed/debated/argued many times of course, so I'll stop there

Quote from danowat :

It's all about peripheral vision to me, when I drive IRL, I see the road ahead, and the cockpit in my peripheral vision, I can then look down to see my gauges.

In LFS, I have the same, I dont care what anyone says, the cockpit view is the most realistic and immersive view there is, and anyone who tells me that image3 is more realistic needs their head read LOL.

No, image3 isn't very realistic no, but cockpit view isn't very realistic too.
I use this view (see attachment), because I use a wheel, and when I see 2 wheels in front of me, it doesn't feel real. And you see it just a bit better when you hit the apex.