'fraid not - all 100% my idea, although little help from S.Varjonen on the specfics!
The Skill Challenge is finally here!
The Skill Challenge is finally here!
Yes this seasons skill challenge is ready and confirmed for the 29th July 1600 GMT.
This time we're doing something quite different, click on the link below to read more!
Big thank you to 500servers for providing a large slot server for us to use.
http://www.lfs-league.com
Yes this seasons skill challenge is ready and confirmed for the 29th July 1600 GMT.
This time we're doing something quite different, click on the link below to read more!
Big thank you to 500servers for providing a large slot server for us to use.
http://www.lfs-league.com
thing you gotta wonder now, was did you drive over the nail, or did someone hammer it in?
Have you upset any psychopaths lately Solar, apart from me I mean?
Have you upset any psychopaths lately Solar, apart from me I mean?
I'm afraid the lag lap isn't for people who lag out to rejoin, I was made to believe that 'in theory' starting a full race from the grid screen is more likely to have lag issues than if the race is restarted, because everything is set in memory, rather than being sync'd up after the grid screen.
We give a reasonable amount of time for people who lag out on the grid to rejoin, but I do not, and have not given extra time on a lag lap for someone lagging out. I am not aware that any other hosts do this either.
edit - when I said late - I meant he took to long to rejoin to the server, we are not expected to do another lap incase they do manage to join, quite often they cannot or choose not to you know.
We give a reasonable amount of time for people who lag out on the grid to rejoin, but I do not, and have not given extra time on a lag lap for someone lagging out. I am not aware that any other hosts do this either.
edit - when I said late - I meant he took to long to rejoin to the server, we are not expected to do another lap incase they do manage to join, quite often they cannot or choose not to you know.
sad news - you still gonna do this skill event with me though Ant?
Yeah I was hosting this one too - Pool one and two both had dodgy starts.
Basically I started the race as normal and was not going to allow the restart as Barbosa was too late - however about 95% of the field voted to restart before I could turn the allow vote system off. WIth patch X you need more voters than before to be able to restart a race, so effectivly, almost everyone did want to restart and let barbosa join the back.
As host I did not want this, but it went too quickly and at this point i did not want a race to start for a third time.
After the summer break however, there will be no complaincy with the rules and the will be consequences for people flouting the rules.
Hopefully with the new race control app one of our staff is kindly developing, we should be able to keep things tighter.
Basically I started the race as normal and was not going to allow the restart as Barbosa was too late - however about 95% of the field voted to restart before I could turn the allow vote system off. WIth patch X you need more voters than before to be able to restart a race, so effectivly, almost everyone did want to restart and let barbosa join the back.
As host I did not want this, but it went too quickly and at this point i did not want a race to start for a third time.
After the summer break however, there will be no complaincy with the rules and the will be consequences for people flouting the rules.
Hopefully with the new race control app one of our staff is kindly developing, we should be able to keep things tighter.
Sorry about the grid in your poo Ihab Abbas it did go a bit wrong, we have a new system for the next event so it should be better for you.
Right then - 3 quaters during the second stream I managed to Fix sound and video for the stream. This means now we have a fully working stream system on Vista 64bit. Expect it to be fine from now on, I promise!
Really not sure what that problem is - try Winamp
I do find the lfs-league site harder to load for the last couple of months, especially since Opera nine and firefox 2.0x.
For some reason it's slower and the frames don't always load together, I normally refresh until it works.
For some reason it's slower and the frames don't always load together, I normally refresh until it works.
A VCR Ant? Hell yeah we got one in the attic - been meaning to setup a media centre pc at some point, just not had time.
I wanna watch the F1 live, not from Video, but hey, I'm sure they'll be other times to practice.
Thanks for hosting tune up!
I wanna watch the F1 live, not from Video, but hey, I'm sure they'll be other times to practice.
Thanks for hosting tune up!
well
if it clashed with F1 them I'm gonna miss it too!
well maybe it is meant to do that, but is it meant to make it unplayable?
I'm getting this exact same thing Blackout, it's gets really bad during the race especially when the server is busy and people leaving and joing regularly.
Stutter when someone join/leaves
Hi all.
Upgraded to patch X and the small stutter that normally happend when someone joins/leaves the server is now very long indeed, before it was just a fraction of a second on average, it's now lasting nearly half a second, makes it so easy to crash.
Before anyone asks if my pc is too slow, it worked fine before patch X
ATI Radeon X1950pro
AMD 64 3700
1.5 gigs
Upgraded to patch X and the small stutter that normally happend when someone joins/leaves the server is now very long indeed, before it was just a fraction of a second on average, it's now lasting nearly half a second, makes it so easy to crash.
Before anyone asks if my pc is too slow, it worked fine before patch X
ATI Radeon X1950pro
AMD 64 3700
1.5 gigs
Well if you're only going to allow a select few on your server why did you bother to set it up for the maximum slot usage?
Well it's obviously not just a setup issue, I didn't say it was just that, but it does make a fair bit of difference.
I would say that your pc steering wheel can make quite a bit of difference too, Mooney is a fast and clever racer, maybe he sets his wheel up differently to others.
I would say that your pc steering wheel can make quite a bit of difference too, Mooney is a fast and clever racer, maybe he sets his wheel up differently to others.
Well I did put the idea of a sponser on the forum a while back, but it came up for big critiscm.
Regarding the p2p and upload thing, no, as long as everyone watching has a fairly good upload speed (150kps and above) then it is fine, as everyone is just sending a tiny bit of the stream to other people, rather than one person sending the whole stream onto the next.
The sytem relies on a lot of people trading small bits you see.
Regarding the p2p and upload thing, no, as long as everyone watching has a fairly good upload speed (150kps and above) then it is fine, as everyone is just sending a tiny bit of the stream to other people, rather than one person sending the whole stream onto the next.
The sytem relies on a lot of people trading small bits you see.
that's an interesting one Fireball - although I think it would involve sending the same stream data twice, which is not an option, unless I'm thinking it wrong.
The data itelf will be encoded once, but would need say one program Windows Media Encoder for the subscripton and the p2p (peercast for example) system for the free one.
But if we had two different streamers this would be an option yes.
--- HackerX
You can't just increase the quality I'm afraid, its not that simple at all.
The data itelf will be encoded once, but would need say one program Windows Media Encoder for the subscripton and the p2p (peercast for example) system for the free one.
But if we had two different streamers this would be an option yes.
--- HackerX
You can't just increase the quality I'm afraid, its not that simple at all.
Thought i'd explain these a bit more.
Keep it the same:
Keep the same system, but if donations run dry the stream stops.
Stop it:
Stop the stream altogether.
Subscription system
A subscription system for stream viewing - the added bonus here is that if people were interested in subscribing, we could use a much better system for better sound and video quality - but we would need around £50 per month.
More detail for a possible subscription system - lets say for the moment that the system would cost £1 each per viewer per month, this would mean we would need 50 willing viewers, if we had less than the charge would be more, 25 x £2 etc.
Would be able to rent a better server, such as a Windows Media Server, or Flash Media Server - these would provide better quality than we have now, although they still wouldn't be fantastic as the system still relies on the current low upload speed).
P2P streaming:
This option seems quite interesting, using the P2P system, instead of sending the stream to a rented server, we all send the stream to eachother via P2P, many of you may already do something similar if you download from P2P sites already.
In theory quality could be increased with this, as the data and bandwidth is being shared by everyone, although for an optimum stream it would need a good lot of people watching the stream and no leeching.
Any ideas of suggestions?
Keep it the same:
Keep the same system, but if donations run dry the stream stops.
Stop it:
Stop the stream altogether.
Subscription system
A subscription system for stream viewing - the added bonus here is that if people were interested in subscribing, we could use a much better system for better sound and video quality - but we would need around £50 per month.
More detail for a possible subscription system - lets say for the moment that the system would cost £1 each per viewer per month, this would mean we would need 50 willing viewers, if we had less than the charge would be more, 25 x £2 etc.
Would be able to rent a better server, such as a Windows Media Server, or Flash Media Server - these would provide better quality than we have now, although they still wouldn't be fantastic as the system still relies on the current low upload speed).
P2P streaming:
This option seems quite interesting, using the P2P system, instead of sending the stream to a rented server, we all send the stream to eachother via P2P, many of you may already do something similar if you download from P2P sites already.
In theory quality could be increased with this, as the data and bandwidth is being shared by everyone, although for an optimum stream it would need a good lot of people watching the stream and no leeching.
Any ideas of suggestions?
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Reason : more detail
Olfsltv
I know there are already two threads relating to the streaming but they are a bit out of date.
Basically I wanted to apologise and explain about the downfall of the service in recent months.
First thing you've got to realise is that it is quite tricky to do the streaming itself, especially without dedicated hardware, the two pc's I use are normally for normal day to day use, in an ideal world I would have a whole pc dedicated to streaming, but financially this is not possible.
Setting up two pc's for streaming, then actually getting it running and monitoring it for a typical race day takes about 6 hours in total.
Regarding quailty - the current system doesn't allow for high quality, the main factor is upload speed, I am currently getting about 300k upload, and when you consider each second of stream (that is 25 frames and 16 bit audio per second) has to be compressed to less than 300k you can imagine the sacrifice needed in video and audio quality.
While the visual quality has improved, the sound has worsened, I am totally confused as to why and have investigated every possible setting to find the problem, the only thing left is to reinstall Windows, and I might have to do that.
I came up with the idea of a paypal donation system for OLFSL and it has worked really well, we got a good amount of donations which has kept the service running all this time as well as buying some of the hardware to do it.
At the moment the service is now into the red (or minus if you like) - I am willing to continue to pay the server rental to the end of the season if needed (although if some donations come in that would be cool) - however next season is a different matter. I will not pay the server rental from my own money, either we need more donations, or it stops, or we find other ways to do this service.
There are a few options for next season, here are some for you to think about.
Keep it the same.
Stop it.
Subscription system.
P2P streaming.
Basically I wanted to apologise and explain about the downfall of the service in recent months.
First thing you've got to realise is that it is quite tricky to do the streaming itself, especially without dedicated hardware, the two pc's I use are normally for normal day to day use, in an ideal world I would have a whole pc dedicated to streaming, but financially this is not possible.
Setting up two pc's for streaming, then actually getting it running and monitoring it for a typical race day takes about 6 hours in total.
Regarding quailty - the current system doesn't allow for high quality, the main factor is upload speed, I am currently getting about 300k upload, and when you consider each second of stream (that is 25 frames and 16 bit audio per second) has to be compressed to less than 300k you can imagine the sacrifice needed in video and audio quality.
While the visual quality has improved, the sound has worsened, I am totally confused as to why and have investigated every possible setting to find the problem, the only thing left is to reinstall Windows, and I might have to do that.
I came up with the idea of a paypal donation system for OLFSL and it has worked really well, we got a good amount of donations which has kept the service running all this time as well as buying some of the hardware to do it.
At the moment the service is now into the red (or minus if you like) - I am willing to continue to pay the server rental to the end of the season if needed (although if some donations come in that would be cool) - however next season is a different matter. I will not pay the server rental from my own money, either we need more donations, or it stops, or we find other ways to do this service.
There are a few options for next season, here are some for you to think about.
Keep it the same.
Stop it.
Subscription system.
P2P streaming.
Well you need the right setup to start with - when we did MRT before I was good but not great, then Solar gave me his set and I went on to win the race.
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